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Please extend support for Windows 7 UNTIL you come out with a new OS. Hopefully similar to Win7.
MS has shifted to a rolling style model. What they're doing is ending support for older releases essentially. For instance, while Windows 8.1 is still supported, support for 8 has either already ended or is ending soon. I believe it has already ended. Windows 10 will be much the same except it seems to be based more on build numbers.One weird thing I can't even figure out is how can they announce Win7 extended support ending January 2020 but MAINSTREAM support for Win10 is ending October 2020. I mean even if you buy Win10 in January 2020 you'd get mainstream support for 9 months? Haha, this is laughable for a company of this size.
Honestly I haven’t touched 7 since I worked on a clients computer a few months back. I’ve been on 10 since launch. Headaches and all.Or live with the fact that the only constant in life is change and don't be so set in your ways? I upgrade to each new OS the day its released, I enjoy playing and and discovering things and within a few days I'm as fluent in the new OS as the old.
Most versions of Windows 10 are only support for 18 months.One weird thing I can't even figure out is how can they announce Win7 extended support ending January 2020 but MAINSTREAM support for Win10 is ending October 2020. I mean even if you buy Win10 in January 2020 you'd get mainstream support for 9 months? Haha, this is laughable for a company of this size.
Is that like the rolling release model on Linux distributions like Arch/Gentoo, in that you never have to actually "upgrade" to new major releases and just use Windows Update (or whatever) to download software updates/patches regularly?MS has shifted to a rolling style model.
Win 8.1 and 10 both were worthy upgrades for me.
I think one of the biggest issues I've seen is the forced reboots and Win10 re-installing things you've deleted. Among other things, the square tiles make me want to hurl.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and the spying.
Is that like the rolling release model on Linux distributions like Arch/Gentoo, in that you never have to actually "upgrade" to new major releases and just use Windows Update (or whatever) to download software updates/patches regularly?
Please extend support for Windows 7 UNTIL you come out with a new OS. Hopefully similar to Win7.
This is the next of thousands of myths and nonsense people keep repeating to the point of being dead annoying. Win10 is almost no different than Win7. It just has few new annoyances and one idea more "spying", and almost all of those can be disabled, uninstalled or turned off. The most dreaded annoyance is the default settings for updates and these can be remedied very easily with all built-in means. I have few 10s I set up with defaults, only disabled updates through group policy and all is Ok, I have some 10s I setup with all defaults, they "offer" updates and restart, which of course can be catastrophic, but whoever uses their OS without seting it up a little.... is equally uninterested whether they use 7 or 10....I actually like being in charge of my computer, instead of my computer telling me how it's gonna be.
This is the next of thousands of myths and nonsense people keep repeating to the point of being dead annoying. Win10 is almost no different than Win7. It just has few new annoyances and one idea more "spying", and almost all of those can be disabled, uninstalled or turned off. The most dreaded annoyance is the default settings for updates and these can be remedied very easily with all built-in means. I have few 10s I set up with defaults, only disabled updates through group policy and all is Ok, I have some 10s I setup with all defaults, they "offer" updates and restart, which of course can be catastrophic, but whoever uses their OS without seting it up a little.... is equally uninterested whether they use 7 or 10.
And programs like candy crush or whatnot being "helpfully" re-added during Win10 updates? My Win7 has zero telemetry and no real annoyances. It does exactly what I tell it to and nothing else without hoops to jump through.
Windows 7 is a program sold to users, Win10 is a program selling you to marketers.
Win 10? Unless you are able to get the LTSB or LTSC version, windows 10 has some major issues for me:
Forced updates/upgrades that are for the most part untested and can cause your system to stop working correctly.
Forced reboots after the forced updates install.
No ability to stay in a certain version. Windows 10 gets new major versions that change, remove, and add functionality. Windows 8.1 and before stayed pretty static with major version releases.
Forced bloatware. You can remove it, but as soon as one of those major updates install they all get reinstalled with even more.
Cortana integration is forced.
I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that I can remember right now.
Win 10? Unless you are able to get the LTSB or LTSC version, windows 10 has some major issues for me:
Forced updates/upgrades that are for the most part untested and can cause your system to stop working correctly.
Forced reboots after the forced updates install.
No ability to stay in a certain version. Windows 10 gets new major versions that change, remove, and add functionality. Windows 8.1 and before stayed pretty static with major version releases.
Forced bloatware. You can remove it, but as soon as one of those major updates install they all get reinstalled with even more.
Cortana integration is forced.
I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that I can remember right now.
Windows 7 has telemetry, so unless you turned it off, it is there.
I turned it off, along with the further updates after they started doing roll-ups (which I can actually do, because it's not Win10). There was a time when the CIA used a vaccination program to spy in Pakistan. When it was discovered, people started refusing vaccinations due to their trust being abused. This is the same thing that happened with MS started sneaking Telemetry in. People deselected telemetry updates, so they started doing "Roll-ups" do avoid that. Then people stopped updating all-together. Trust is hard to gain and easy to lose, and I don't trust the new MS leadership to have their users best interest in mind, as the new MS OS team is a marketing company and not a software company... along with the fact that they fired their QA update team makes it dangerous to trust their updates now.
The Win10 hate is a direct result of MS abusing their customer's trust in far too many ways.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/
I would say 90% of those people also have absolutely no idea what data is being gathered or how it is being used. Even though it has been answered by Microsoft a number of times. And just for the record, they have done the same rollup telemetry updates in 7 as they have in 10. You can also do many things to turn off telemetry in 10. So I am not sure how you are distinguishing them?
And please, spare me the incredibly terrible false equivalency to vaccines...
False equivalence? "You abuse trust, you lose trust" is directly equivalent, and it doesn't matter what the example is. Telemetry in consumer W10 cannot be fully disabled, except by blocking it at the network level. I don't like W10, I posted why, THIS THREAD IS A WIN7 LOVE-IN, so I don't understand why you are taking umbrage at me explaining my Win10 hate here. I don't generally pop into "I love WIN 10!!!!" threads and shit in them and expect to be praised for it.
Maybe don't stroll into a "I love Win7" thread expecting to hear endless praise of Win10?
I've been using W10 for 3 years, and don't hate it any less now than I did then. And it is only getting worse with every update. Microsoft came out with 8, which was 10 steps back from 7, then they released 8.1 which took off two steps, making it 8 steps behind 7. And then along came 10 only 2 steps behind 7 initally, taking one step back with every biannual update.Astrowind, I used to be like you. I spent 7 years of my life with Win7 (until 2017). I hated new Windowses very much, mostly by opinions from the internet and early tests in virtual machines.
After I quit Win7 and went ahead, I saw it's nowhere near so scary or evil as most tried to make out of it. I was even fast with liking Win10 (and Server 2016 for that matter).
I think you are being too conservative.\
Win10 is similar to Win7 , just better . 2-3 years ago I wouldn't have believed I would say that one day.
I would say 90% of those people also have absolutely no idea what data is being gathered or how it is being used. Even though it has been answered by Microsoft a number of times. And just for the record, they have done the same rollup telemetry updates in 7 as they have in 10. You can also do many things to turn off telemetry in 10. So I am not sure how you are distinguishing them?
And please, spare me the incredibly terrible false equivalency to vaccines...
I have to disagree with you on 8. Sure, the UI had some issues if you like the classic style start menu, but beyond that Windows 8 and especially 8.1 were pretty damn solid. The under the hood changes MS made removed a lot of inefficient legacy code, which led to a much faster feeling desktop. Windows 7 was a great OS for sure, but it had a lot of under the hood crap that severely hampered performance. Since MS targeted low power devices with 8, it resulted in some pretty great performance improvements on the desktop as well.I've been using W10 for 3 years, and don't hate it any less now than I did then. And it is only getting worse with every update. Microsoft came out with 8, which was 10 steps back from 7, then they released 8.1 which took off two steps, making it 8 steps behind 7. And then along came 10 only 2 steps behind 7 initally, taking one step back with every biannual update.
nobody made a compariosn betwenewindows an vaccines. that is solely on you not to understand it was an examples of lost trust.
I have to agree 100%. Windows 8.1 has the core of 10, but without all the crap. Simply install classic shell and you have a winner. I'm on 7, but I have a 8.1 version ready to take it's place on my desktop.I have to disagree with you on 8. Sure, the UI had some issues if you like the classic style start menu, but beyond that Windows 8 and especially 8.1 were pretty damn solid. The under the hood changes MS made removed a lot of inefficient legacy code, which led to a much faster feeling desktop. Windows 7 was a great OS for sure, but it had a lot of under the hood crap that severely hampered performance. Since MS targeted low power devices with 8, it resulted in some pretty great performance improvements on the desktop as well.
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but outside of the start menu changes I honestly fail to understand the hate Windows 8 got. The core OS tools and utilities functioned the same, the OS was stable and fast, and compatibility issues weren't a huge problem. Install Classic Shell, and you pretty much solved the start menu issue. I think it was unfairly compared to Vista, because unlike Vista, Windows 8 worked.
I think there are 2 things that are going to be interesting to watch in the future with Windows 7 people not wanting to upgrade.
1 - Windows 7 support officially ends at the end of this year. Using an unsupported OS is pretty frowned upon here. If you opened a thread saying you are using Vista or XP, you'll get pages of replies of backlash.
2- Driver support. Skylake and Ryzen cpus and their respective chipsets are officially unsupported by Windows. I am building a 9900k system this weekend and there are no Windows 7 drivers for my chipset making it impossible to install and use Windows 7 on it. What happens when all the people who refuse to move to Windows 10 upgrade or buy new hardware?
I hate 10 just as much as when it first came out but MS is pushing for games to be 10 only. In some cases the games are made with DX12 only, so that is a must anyways.I would say backlash is pretty harsh. You will likely get a lot of people wondering why you would continue to use an older OS and try to provide examples of why a newer one would be a better solution. And a lot of that has to do with #2.
Driver support is almost always going to be an issue. But that is an issue for anything older. I have issues right now with my mobo and getting correct drivers for it because it is so old. There aren't dedicated Win10 drivers for some of the stuff on the mobo like there were for Win7.
I would say the biggest problem is actually vulnerabilities. As it ages and doesn't receive support, there are going to be more and more security holes that are discovered.