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*Note: this is not meant to start a "flame war", nor meant to be "just a rant", but to have a serious and mature discussion regarding the issue presented here. So please, keep it civil and mature. Please, only respond here if you're interested in/can related to/care about the issue, not just to flame with sarcasm.
While it's been discussed here and there by some, due to the serious irritation it's becoming, I felt I wanted to bring up the issue, because I've noticed it getting worse to a great degree in recent years.
Are there any other adults here who enjoy (or once did) online gaming, who've now begun to (or already do) despise it, due to the attitudes of the general populace?
I know I've seen a few people around here over time mention a developing disdain for it, due to the general absurdly rampant immaturity of people today, and I have to admit... after over a decade of PC gaming, I'm finally to that point.
While this might sound like a "commentary on sociological issues", well... in a way, I suppose it is, though related to gaming.
In regards to both younger and older adults alike, it's as if any semblance of maturity and decency have almost dissolved completely. Given that this is the case in every day life in the real world, it's not that it's a surprise, but it is a serious hindrance on something that many mature adults/people enjoy.
Anonymity of the internet is an extremely irritating thing, as there are just far too many people with "false balls" and big mouths, who wouldn't have the spine to even look in your direction, never mind mouth-off to you in-person, were they to meet you in the street.
Fine, it's always been like that, since the days before the internet when there was just gossip... but it's just out of control, and almost completely intolerable to me (as with some others I'm seeing around in increasing numbers) at this point.
To be clear, the issues shouldn't have to be handled by painstakingly attempting to find other mature adults to game with, as that's not a resolve to the problem (though I've tried... hard). Human beings learning how to be mature individuals with some semblance of respect, is what is needed. Of course, that's highly unlikely to happen, hence my finally getting fed to the damn teeth with attempting to enjoy myself (and my wife as well) by indulging in one of my biggest pastimes, only to end up highly irritated, and sometimes downright pissed off, at the attitudes of people in general.
Of course, "Why don't you just play single player games?" is also not the point here, for reasons I shouldn't have to even mention. The multiplayer aspect of gaming is huge, and sometimes the more enjoyable, aspect of games and gaming. Many of the games that people enjoy put heavy emphasis on online multiplayer, or are sometimes strictly multiplayer titles, so "avoiding" online gaming would render many of us "gameless".
I've done the, "just ignore it" thing for far too long, and it's simply just not working anymore, as the immaturity and disrespect have just reached a level where it's almost completely ****ing intolerable. It's a problem I know is getting under the skin of many people more and more in recent times, and it's truly ruining the form of entertainment for many.
There's no denying that people in general have become increasingly miserable and immature in this world (sorry, but that's a fact, not a "negative world-view"; you'd have to be blind not to see it in every day life), and that of course is going to effect others when in a social environment.
Yes, of course... since the dawn of human kind, there have always been assholes, but in the "modern age", it's just totally out of control.
With games that attract younger people as well as older, of course you're going to run into the younger generation who, apparently, aren't being taught any respect at all in this day and age. But even in games that are rated M, meaning you must be at least 18 years of age to play, you'd think you could expect to see some god damned maturity once someone hits that age.
Of course, I know better, as I know people three times that age who act like ****ing children, but that's not the point. The point is, people should have some semblance of real maturity and respect by the time they're young adults, if not long before, and it's absolutely destroying the online gaming experience for many older adults and/or generally more mature individuals.
Being kicked from servers for accidentally putting a few rounds into your teammate, because you're surrounded by smoke, fire and enemies. Being insulted in ways by someone with a mouth I'd smash with a brick in real life, because you "****ed up the plan" or their "plan", whatever that was, then kicked from a server.
How many times in ten years have I accidentally been shot in the ass by someone in an FPS?
How many times have I been killed due to massive aggro in an MMO, because someone got too close to a large group of enemies?
Countless... it happens, and I handle it as any adult should: like and adult.
Due to these things, these people also lose a talented team player, all because people have no maturity, respect, self control and are completely lacking in adult rationale.
I'm definitely not "thin-skinned". Quite the contrary, I'm quite thick-skinned, and don't give a shit about meaningless, petty insults. But there is a "line" at some point.
I must have experienced this in 9 out of 12 different servers with different players over the course of just a few hours in Left 4 Dead last night.
Of course, it's "nothing new", right? It's "too be expected", right? Well, why is that, exactly? Because people cannot act like they're part of what should be a civilized race? I was "used to it" from the beginning of my online gaming days a damn decade ago, but it's really "peaking" at this point, and just about killing the whole multiplayer gaming experience, which used to be enjoyable.
Obviously, there's never a reason or excuse to behave in such a manner, not mention making statements that the DSMV IV would classify as ****ing delusional.
Most gamers these days enjoy online gaming, and you will occasionally run into some individuals who can actually enjoy the damn game, and treat it like what it is: a game... but it's becoming increasingly difficult to enjoy one's self with online gaming today. The general attitudes of people, of all ages, being the main problem, and it's truly starting to effect more and more people who simply cannot and will not tolerate such garbage, when they're doing something that they're doing in attempts to relax and friggin' enjoy themselves.
As some have seen in previous threads I've started, such as one about gaming with your spouse or s/o, I'm an older individual of 34, married to a wife of 30 and have a daughter of 5 years of age. I've been a hardcore gamer since I was a kid. It's one of my biggest passions and something I get much enjoyment from, as does my wife, who games with me a great deal.
Words are just words (to a point), and there's going to be assholes in the world no matter where you go, but there does indeed come a point where people's words, behavior and actions (such as kicking people out of servers etc.) becomes intolerable, and it's really finally starting to destroy the experience and enjoyment of gaming for many people. At least, online gaming that they might really enjoy that perhaps cannot be played offline etc.
MMOs, FPS... doesn't matter... it's people, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to go anywhere in/with online games anymore without being "berated" with harsh insults and generally irritating behavior that really ruins the experience. What the hell happened to maturity, respect and just having fun? It's as if they hardly exist in this world at all anymore.
Gaming with others can be highly enjoyable and, hell, sometimes you end up actually becoming personal friends with those you meet online. But, with people continuing to become more and more nasty, disrespectful and behaving in manners that suggest they either need medication or a good solid ****ing beating, it's really killing one of the most enjoyable hobbies of people around the world these days.
I'm sorry for the rant... but, there have got to be even more here who feel the same, more than the occasional comment I've seen posted about the issue. I just had to vent it, because multiplayer gaming is a hugely enjoyable thing for so many, or used to be... but it's truly starting to feel like a chore to get into a game, get into a server and try/hope to find others who are there for the same reason: to have fun, without acting like a prepubescent, disrespectful low-life and really pissing someone off who, to make things worse, you wouldn't have the balls to in real life.
It's (gaming) also a family thing for many people, such as my self and my wife, but she cant stand it either, and I wont even bother getting into online games with anyone but just the two of us and half-retarded AI, due to the situation these days.
Even searching for supposed "adult gamers" and their websites, unless you know people personally you can get together with, which then you're also limited to that time if you don't want to deal with other people otherwise, multiplayer gaming can end up being a real damn turn-off these days, which is finally starting to happen with me. "Adult" gamers... right... cant say I've run into too many "adult" gamers, from the point of maturity, many times in recent days, and it's only getting worse.
A shame from all perspectives, even going back and thinking when I used to be into competitive gaming, which was still extremely enjoyable, as we still had fun.
Anyway... I'm sure there are many others who feel the same, and since it involves the possible evolution, or should I say "devolution" of multiplayer gaming, I just had to get it out.
While it's been discussed here and there by some, due to the serious irritation it's becoming, I felt I wanted to bring up the issue, because I've noticed it getting worse to a great degree in recent years.
Are there any other adults here who enjoy (or once did) online gaming, who've now begun to (or already do) despise it, due to the attitudes of the general populace?
I know I've seen a few people around here over time mention a developing disdain for it, due to the general absurdly rampant immaturity of people today, and I have to admit... after over a decade of PC gaming, I'm finally to that point.
While this might sound like a "commentary on sociological issues", well... in a way, I suppose it is, though related to gaming.
In regards to both younger and older adults alike, it's as if any semblance of maturity and decency have almost dissolved completely. Given that this is the case in every day life in the real world, it's not that it's a surprise, but it is a serious hindrance on something that many mature adults/people enjoy.
Anonymity of the internet is an extremely irritating thing, as there are just far too many people with "false balls" and big mouths, who wouldn't have the spine to even look in your direction, never mind mouth-off to you in-person, were they to meet you in the street.
Fine, it's always been like that, since the days before the internet when there was just gossip... but it's just out of control, and almost completely intolerable to me (as with some others I'm seeing around in increasing numbers) at this point.
To be clear, the issues shouldn't have to be handled by painstakingly attempting to find other mature adults to game with, as that's not a resolve to the problem (though I've tried... hard). Human beings learning how to be mature individuals with some semblance of respect, is what is needed. Of course, that's highly unlikely to happen, hence my finally getting fed to the damn teeth with attempting to enjoy myself (and my wife as well) by indulging in one of my biggest pastimes, only to end up highly irritated, and sometimes downright pissed off, at the attitudes of people in general.
Of course, "Why don't you just play single player games?" is also not the point here, for reasons I shouldn't have to even mention. The multiplayer aspect of gaming is huge, and sometimes the more enjoyable, aspect of games and gaming. Many of the games that people enjoy put heavy emphasis on online multiplayer, or are sometimes strictly multiplayer titles, so "avoiding" online gaming would render many of us "gameless".
I've done the, "just ignore it" thing for far too long, and it's simply just not working anymore, as the immaturity and disrespect have just reached a level where it's almost completely ****ing intolerable. It's a problem I know is getting under the skin of many people more and more in recent times, and it's truly ruining the form of entertainment for many.
There's no denying that people in general have become increasingly miserable and immature in this world (sorry, but that's a fact, not a "negative world-view"; you'd have to be blind not to see it in every day life), and that of course is going to effect others when in a social environment.
Yes, of course... since the dawn of human kind, there have always been assholes, but in the "modern age", it's just totally out of control.
With games that attract younger people as well as older, of course you're going to run into the younger generation who, apparently, aren't being taught any respect at all in this day and age. But even in games that are rated M, meaning you must be at least 18 years of age to play, you'd think you could expect to see some god damned maturity once someone hits that age.
Of course, I know better, as I know people three times that age who act like ****ing children, but that's not the point. The point is, people should have some semblance of real maturity and respect by the time they're young adults, if not long before, and it's absolutely destroying the online gaming experience for many older adults and/or generally more mature individuals.
Being kicked from servers for accidentally putting a few rounds into your teammate, because you're surrounded by smoke, fire and enemies. Being insulted in ways by someone with a mouth I'd smash with a brick in real life, because you "****ed up the plan" or their "plan", whatever that was, then kicked from a server.
How many times in ten years have I accidentally been shot in the ass by someone in an FPS?
How many times have I been killed due to massive aggro in an MMO, because someone got too close to a large group of enemies?
Countless... it happens, and I handle it as any adult should: like and adult.
Due to these things, these people also lose a talented team player, all because people have no maturity, respect, self control and are completely lacking in adult rationale.
I'm definitely not "thin-skinned". Quite the contrary, I'm quite thick-skinned, and don't give a shit about meaningless, petty insults. But there is a "line" at some point.
I must have experienced this in 9 out of 12 different servers with different players over the course of just a few hours in Left 4 Dead last night.
Of course, it's "nothing new", right? It's "too be expected", right? Well, why is that, exactly? Because people cannot act like they're part of what should be a civilized race? I was "used to it" from the beginning of my online gaming days a damn decade ago, but it's really "peaking" at this point, and just about killing the whole multiplayer gaming experience, which used to be enjoyable.
Obviously, there's never a reason or excuse to behave in such a manner, not mention making statements that the DSMV IV would classify as ****ing delusional.
Most gamers these days enjoy online gaming, and you will occasionally run into some individuals who can actually enjoy the damn game, and treat it like what it is: a game... but it's becoming increasingly difficult to enjoy one's self with online gaming today. The general attitudes of people, of all ages, being the main problem, and it's truly starting to effect more and more people who simply cannot and will not tolerate such garbage, when they're doing something that they're doing in attempts to relax and friggin' enjoy themselves.
As some have seen in previous threads I've started, such as one about gaming with your spouse or s/o, I'm an older individual of 34, married to a wife of 30 and have a daughter of 5 years of age. I've been a hardcore gamer since I was a kid. It's one of my biggest passions and something I get much enjoyment from, as does my wife, who games with me a great deal.
Words are just words (to a point), and there's going to be assholes in the world no matter where you go, but there does indeed come a point where people's words, behavior and actions (such as kicking people out of servers etc.) becomes intolerable, and it's really finally starting to destroy the experience and enjoyment of gaming for many people. At least, online gaming that they might really enjoy that perhaps cannot be played offline etc.
MMOs, FPS... doesn't matter... it's people, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to go anywhere in/with online games anymore without being "berated" with harsh insults and generally irritating behavior that really ruins the experience. What the hell happened to maturity, respect and just having fun? It's as if they hardly exist in this world at all anymore.
Gaming with others can be highly enjoyable and, hell, sometimes you end up actually becoming personal friends with those you meet online. But, with people continuing to become more and more nasty, disrespectful and behaving in manners that suggest they either need medication or a good solid ****ing beating, it's really killing one of the most enjoyable hobbies of people around the world these days.
I'm sorry for the rant... but, there have got to be even more here who feel the same, more than the occasional comment I've seen posted about the issue. I just had to vent it, because multiplayer gaming is a hugely enjoyable thing for so many, or used to be... but it's truly starting to feel like a chore to get into a game, get into a server and try/hope to find others who are there for the same reason: to have fun, without acting like a prepubescent, disrespectful low-life and really pissing someone off who, to make things worse, you wouldn't have the balls to in real life.
It's (gaming) also a family thing for many people, such as my self and my wife, but she cant stand it either, and I wont even bother getting into online games with anyone but just the two of us and half-retarded AI, due to the situation these days.
Even searching for supposed "adult gamers" and their websites, unless you know people personally you can get together with, which then you're also limited to that time if you don't want to deal with other people otherwise, multiplayer gaming can end up being a real damn turn-off these days, which is finally starting to happen with me. "Adult" gamers... right... cant say I've run into too many "adult" gamers, from the point of maturity, many times in recent days, and it's only getting worse.
A shame from all perspectives, even going back and thinking when I used to be into competitive gaming, which was still extremely enjoyable, as we still had fun.
Anyway... I'm sure there are many others who feel the same, and since it involves the possible evolution, or should I say "devolution" of multiplayer gaming, I just had to get it out.
