Ok already release info on HIGH END cards due this year

Zorachus

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Nice dumba$$. Two 8800GTs are cheaper and faster than an Ultra.


ok dumbass benchmark WoW with SLI it shows like -1% under SLI, a single faster card is faster than two because that game can't do SLi or Crossfire, for some reason.

And also try running WoW 2560x1600rez, w 8xMultisample + 8xAA everything maxed, and drivers set to highest quality, WoW which used to be easy as pie to run, then becomes much more demanding.

I am all for SLI or Crossfire ONLY if I truly get another 100% performance increase in EVERY game from the second card, if not why spend 100% more on the second card that only get 50-75% increase in certain games, and good luck in Vista64. I would rather wait for the single fastest card
 

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ok dumbass benchmark WoW with SLI it shows like -1% under SLI, a single faster card is faster than two because that game can't do SLi or Crossfire, for some reason.

And also try running WoW 2560x1600rez, w 8xMultisample + 8xAA everything maxed, and drivers set to highest quality, WoW which used to be easy as pie to run, then becomes much more demanding.

I am all for SLI or Crossfire ONLY if I truly get another 100% performance increase in EVERY game from the second card, if not why spend 100% more on the second card that only get 50-75% increase in certain games, and good luck in Vista64. I would rather wait for the single fastest card

What's needing luck for Vista64? Works fine... no one NEEDS anything, heck we don't NEED a computer, it's all a nicety. Some just choose to invest for more performance than others, period.

How much faster are they?
Because it is the same price or more for the nearly the same performance, but it is TWO cards.
That is two cards sucking up more power and creating more heat then a single card for nearly the same performance; I don't think the GT with 512MB of ram in SLI is worth it.

SLI is a complete waste of money unless you are running very high resolutions and need the power to push it.


http://www.gamespot.com/features/61...clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;picks;title;3

http://hardware.gotfrag.com/portal/story/40512/?spage=8

A lot faster. The drivers need work, but in the games it provides gains in, they are massive.
 

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LOL

seriously, this thread is nothing more than a ritant.

you say this site is for extreme enthusiasts or whatever, but not all of us on here can afford top notch hardware. you might be an [H] gamer/enthusiasts but i know plenty of others on here want the most performance for the dollar. i'm pretty sure if you didn't have a GTX already, you would love to get a card that cost $250 that performs as well as a GTX. i know i would :)


and there in lies the true essence of the [H] It is not about the haveing the best , its about getting the best out of what you have.

I tip my glass of wine to you for you have captured the essence if being [H]


PS: again and again
 

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and there in lies the true essence of the [H] It is not about the haveing the best , its about getting the best out of what you have.

I tip my glass of wine to you for you have captured the essence if being [H]

100% agree.
 

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That is a very interesting read.
Who is this Josh Walrath, does he know his shit?
his predictions are no better than anyone elses. In fact I would say he is wrong about several things but thats just my opinion.
 

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SLI is like hyperthreading......people are so eager to spend their money on it without really knowing the extent of the performance increase they'll actually see.

Simply put, SLI/XFire is a waste of money.

-Dolphin

Let's say I get 50fps in a game at 2560x1600rez, so if I pop in a second 8800GTX I better get 100fps then to get my monies worth I just spent, if not why bother, I like eXtreme performance but not if it is a complete waste of money and does not give 100% increase in game benchmarks, and even certain games don't even take advantage of SLI at all.
 
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Enough already on the 8900GT I mean 8800GT :rolleyes:, I know it is a great performer for the money, but who cares except every non [H]ard gamer, this site is for eXtreme geeks, not for your WorstBuy or CicuitShity computer purchasers.

Lol, glad to see you are not blindly stereo typing all the members here.

A huge percentage of members here enjoy the high end value category, and find it a bigger thrill than the absolute top product itself. Thus you are seeing a huge amount of excitement here over the 8800GT (as excited as us geeks get).
 

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SLI is like hyperthreading......people are so eager to spend their money on it without really knowing the extent of the performance increase they'll actually see.

Simply put, SLI/XFire is a waste of money.

-Dolphin

Let's say I get 50fps in a game at 2560x1600rez, so if I pop in a second 8800GTX I better get 100fps then to get my monies worth I just spent, if not why bother, I like eXtreme performance but not if it is a complete waste of money and does not give 100% increase in game benchmarks, and even certain games don't even take advantage of SLI at all.

I know full well what I am buying, and it is NOT a waste of money to many people. That may be your opinion, but others have a different one. It has nothing to do with "OMG I HAVE EXTREME PERFORMANCE LOLOL" ;).
 

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Yeah last would have been nice, but in Fall '07 I expect something much faster than one year old technology

the best is usualy the result of refinement and evolution , rarely is it the result of revolution even if touted as such
 

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well there is rumors that the new gts will be better than the current gtx and possibly ultra..
 

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SLI is like hyperthreading......people are so eager to spend their money on it without really knowing the extent of the performance increase they'll actually see.

Simply put, SLI/XFire is a waste of money.

-Dolphin

Let's say I get 50fps in a game at 2560x1600rez, so if I pop in a second 8800GTX I better get 100fps then to get my monies worth I just spent, if not why bother, I like eXtreme performance but not if it is a complete waste of money and does not give 100% increase in game benchmarks, and even certain games don't even take advantage of SLI at all.

Actually, considering 8800GT in SLI is roughly 525+ shipping all you need is to out perform the top card at the moment, which is the 8800 Ultra. The fact that its cheaper than the Ultra only further pushes the envelope.
 

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Sry but 8800GT is useless for us high end gamers (even sli with 500€... useless). Somehow useless to have new games with new graphics in it, but only graphic cards that can push it on medium settings.

Need new way faster 8850/8900/9800 GTX/ULTRA till end of year 2007!!!
 

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Sry but 8800GT is useless for us high end gamers (even sli with 500€... useless). Somehow useless to have new games with new graphics in it, but only graphic cards that can push it on medium settings.

Need new way faster 8850/8900/9800 GTX/ULTRA till end of year 2007!!!

Uh, actually, SLI'd GT's can run basically everything, even Crysis, at high settings/resolutions just fine, while an 8800GTX/Ultra will falter and become unplayable.
 

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Uh, actually, SLI'd GT's can run basically everything, even Crysis, at high settings/resolutions just fine, while an 8800GTX/Ultra will falter and become unplayable.

Uh, actually SLI isnt supported in the Crysis demo, so there is no way for you to know this.

Dont forget what happens when you assume.
 

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Uh, actually, SLI'd GT's can run basically everything, even Crysis, at high settings/resolutions just fine, while an 8800GTX/Ultra will falter and become unplayable.
well running AA above 1600 you will still run into limitations of the 256-bit and 512mb that sli doesnt help with. other than that 2 8800gt cards should be awesome in games that take advantage of sli effectively.
 

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Actually, considering 8800GT in SLI is roughly 525+ shipping all you need is to out perform the top card at the moment, which is the 8800 Ultra. The fact that its cheaper than the Ultra only further pushes the envelope.

An single 8800Ultra will blow away 2-8800GT's SLI in WoW, because WoW doesn't even use the second card. Again a vote for single fastest card over lower priced SLI
 

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Dream on!

My dreams are reality: http://www.gamespot.com/features/61...clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;picks;title;3

Crysis Demo, High Quality, 1600x1200, Vista

Card/Memory/Config/Framerate
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GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB SLI 46
XFX GeForce 8800 GT 512MB SLI 41
GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB 25
Radeon 2900 XT 512MB 18
GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB 22
GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 23

Oh, and these are STOCK CLOCKED GT's, let alone highly-overclocked ones like you are able to easily buy/oc-yourself.
 

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My dreams are reality: http://www.gamespot.com/features/61...clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;picks;title;3

Crysis Demo, High Quality, 1600x1200, Vista

Card/Memory/Config/Framerate
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GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB SLI 46
XFX GeForce 8800 GT 512MB SLI 41
GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB 25
Radeon 2900 XT 512MB 18
GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB 22
GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 23

Oh, and these are STOCK CLOCKED GT's, let alone highly-overclocked ones like you are able to easily buy/oc-yourself.
thats also two heaters instead of just one. I didnt order the 8800gt once I saw how hot they run under load. anyway how did Gamespot get SLI to work in Crysis when nobody else can???
 
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Sry but 8800GT is useless for us high end gamers (even sli with 500€... useless). Somehow useless to have new games with new graphics in it, but only graphic cards that can push it on medium settings.

Need new way faster 8850/8900/9800 GTX/ULTRA till end of year 2007!!!

lol what drugs are you on? are you reading the same benchmarks as the rest of us?

The 8800GT is the 3rd fastest nvidia card right this momen, and the 3nd fastest in SLI.

The GTX is averaging like 10-15% more FPS, so you are saying the current GTX is only 15% better than useless?
 

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Drugs? Where are we going.

GoldenTiger, even if it would be true and give 41fps. Don't forget, these benches are not all right :). I believe it is unplayable on 1920x1200 and also lower resolution for smooth frame rate. Different people need different smoothness to play.
If you play always on GT's from past to now, than you are used to it. If you always buy GTX's than there is no smoothness (and there is really not in this games!!! not only subjective). I'm only trying to explain.

Right now is the right time to hype GT's like they are gold, THEY ARE NOT, it was hell of a time to come to these GT's. In Nov 2007 they are not gold but a card that gives some nice fps for nice price, nothing special for Nov 2007.
 

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after my 7600GT sli experience, i can't wait for my 8800GT sli experience. people might say that it doesn't work, but good god damn, it worked for me.

can't wait to get my 8800GT from step-up and then find another 8800GT on sale. even not on sale, i'll be gettin another.

asus 650i SLi has brought me through from my 805d to my e4300 and will now take me from my 7600 SLi to my 8800GTS and finally to my 8800GT SLi.

I've never updated the bios. What a problematic board :rolleyes:


:D
 

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This is a very fine point and is indeed the other half of the puzzle.
Drivers play a huge part in performance and stability and I would much rather have one card to deal with instead of two.

We also have seen that SLI is not an upgrade path either; most new gens come out with more performance then the two previous gen cards in SLI.

Bottom line is that SLI is pointless unless you are running very high resolutions, or you are running around with a very small dick. :p

Amen brother, amen! Let's face it - if you don't buy two cards at the same time, you're prolly not going to get a second one (some exceptions, of course - so don't the fanboys start pissing their pants).

You buy a card thinking "OK, just need to sell a few more pints of blood, then I'll get a second one for the ol' $LI setup in a month or so!". And does that happen? By the time you've got the cash - the second card is a POS, because there is something faster, better, DX15 compatible out which requires a new mobo in any case. So that's why I'm not even thinking of an $LI mobo for my upgrade build this year.

Just bring out the new top performer GFX card so I can buy it and move on. :p
 

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i don't get why you guys are getting on GoldenTiger's case about SLI. personally, i don't believe in dual card setups. but its not like you guys are spending the money on it, right? if he wants to SLI 8800GTs, let him. its his computer.

different strokes for different folks.
 

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i don't get why you guys are getting on GoldenTiger's case about SLI. personally, i don't believe in dual card setups. but its not like you guys are spending the money on it, right? if he wants to SLI 8800GTs, let him. its his computer.

different strokes for different folks.

*shrug* People seem to like to rant about anything they don't understand and/or don't have :(. Personally, this is my first SLI setup, and only because it's the same price as a GTX/Ultra would have been yet provides more performance.
 

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SLI is not really an upgrade path, its really about the best possible performance.

Yep. There's almost never, if ever, a reason to use it as an upgrade path. You buy two of the cards when they're brand new to get performance beyond anything else, or you just buy one card, period. Anything else is just silly.
 

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My dreams are reality: http://www.gamespot.com/features/61...clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;picks;title;3

Crysis Demo, High Quality, 1600x1200, Vista

Card/Memory/Config/Framerate
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GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB SLI 46
XFX GeForce 8800 GT 512MB SLI 41
GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB 25
Radeon 2900 XT 512MB 18
GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB 22
GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 23

Oh, and these are STOCK CLOCKED GT's, let alone highly-overclocked ones like you are able to easily buy/oc-yourself.

Sorry...calling COMPLETE bullshit on that review. In WIC GT's beat GTX in SLI at 1920x1200 with 4xAA and AF? I realize the GT comes very close to the GTX, but it doesnt top it, not at stock speeds like you said, and there is no way in hell two GTs will beat two GTX if one cant beat one, especially when the GTX has higher specs all the way around, aside from clocks. That being said, stock for stock, GTX beats a GT anyway.

And aside from all else, SLI IS NOT SUPPORTED WITH THE CRYSIS DEMO. THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE AROUND THE FORUMS. Although, i did notice you dismissed my earlier comment...

Dont get me wrong, the GTs seem to be amazing cards, your just touting them to be much better than they are, seemingly to enhance your SLI defense.

thats also two heaters instead of just one. I didnt order the 8800gt once I saw how hot they run under load. anyway how did Gamespot get SLI to work in Crysis when nobody else can???

They didnt, they made it up, just like the rest of those benchmarks.
 

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Actually it is... expreview also has SLI results for it under Vista:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=164142

Drivers are holding it back.

Nice dude...youve got one review saying 78% and one saying 25%. Wait a minute...wait...wait for it....here it comes...........:rolleyes:


Thanks for trying...but do you even read the links you post before you post them?

In case you havent realized yet...inconsistency = automatic BS flag on all parties, although in this case its an automatic BS flag no matter what because Crysis doesnt support SLI in the SP demo.

I will leave you with a question though, how come Gamespot has the uber Crysis SLI drivers when expreview, the site that actually knew about the GT first, doesnt have them? So odd, dont you agree?

EDIT: ill give you a hint, the answer to the question is at the end of the line, two lines above this one.
 

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Nice dude...youve got one review saying 78% and one saying 22%. Wait a minute...wait...wait for it....here it comes...........:rolleyes:

Thanks for trying...

Different driver versions... nonetheless, it debunks the myth that Crysis doesn't work with SLI right now.
 

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Different driver versions... nonetheless, it debunks the myth that Crysis doesn't work with SLI right now.

That article is two days old so what driver revision since there wasnt a newer one besides 169.02 at the time? Im starting to think that entire article is a load of shit. Even Nvidia says the SLI is NOT WORKING in the Crysis demo yet Gamespot magically has it working perfectly.
 

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That article is two days old so what driver revision? Im starting to think that entire article is a load of shit. Even Nvidia says the SLI is NOT WORKING in the Crysis demo yet Gamespot magically has it working perfectly.

One uses 169.01, the other uses 169.04. Try reading the articles before talking about them. It's obvious you have not.
 

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One uses 169.01, the other uses 169.04. Try reading the articles before talking about them. It's obvious you have not.

You just cant stop shooting yourself in the foot...

The gamespot review was out the 29th. 169.04 was out the 30th. Are you honestly trying to tell me going from 169.01 to 169.04 causes a ~75% drop in SLI performance?

IBNextUrGoin2BlameVista

EDIT: oops! nvm you cant blame Vista, thats what they used with the Crysis demo on gamespot.
 

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You just cant stop shooting yourself in the foot...

The gamespot review was out the 29th. 169.04 was out the 30th. Are you honestly trying to tell me going from 169.01 to 169.04 causes a ~75% drop in SLI performance?

IBNextUrGoin2BlameVista

Wouldn't be the first time a driver *gasp* breaks a game!

I already did blame Vista's poor SLI support ;).

IBNextUrGoin2NotThink
 

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LOL

seriously, this thread is nothing more than a rant.

you say this site is for extreme enthusiasts or whatever, but not all of us on here can afford top notch hardware. you might be an [H] gamer/enthusiasts but i know plenty of others on here want the most performance for the dollar. i'm pretty sure if you didn't have a GTX already, you would love to get a card that cost $250 that performs as well as a GTX. i know i would :)

i couldn't agree more. To me someone who always HAS to buy the latest and the most expensive high end part out there is kinda like the rich little brat that has filthy rich parents and squanders money like it has no meaning. This forum is for extreme enthusiasts who are smart and give / take good advice. Everyone here knows new does not always mean good. After all not everyone is able to afford a qX6800 or watever extreme edition intel has ; rather we overclock and mod in order to try to reach the same level of performance whilst saving some dough. Saving money whilst emulating high end performance is way smarter than being able to rant about having the most expensive stuff around.
 

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Wouldn't be the first time a driver *gasp* breaks a game!

I already did blame Vista's poor SLI support ;).

IBNextUrGoin2NotThink
you can go to every forum and look for yourself and you will find out that SLI did not work on the 169.01 drivers that Gamespot used and still doesnt work on the newest 169.04 drivers. I would believe Nvidia and hundreds of gamers over an article on Gamespot any day.
 
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