Oil and Gas Operations Could Trigger Large Earthquakes

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  1. MajorDomo

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    We’ve all heard it before, fracking is bad for the environment, but in our overpowering thirst for new sources of energy, fracking is now becoming commonplace, with possible disastrous consequences.
     
  2. Grahamkracka

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    This thread is about to get derailed in less than 7 posts.
     
  3. Galvin

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    When there's big money involved. Operations like this are less likely to get shutdown.
     
  4. jtemplin

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    Its interesting to think of the parallels to the cigarette companies and their refusal for so many years to truthfully say that their product is harmful.
     
  5. Scythe

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    There is little to no scientific evidence that fracking has anything to do with earthquakes.

    You may feel small events as part of the process of fracking, when the water is being being disposed of. However, these will cause less than a 3 on the Richter scale (BTW...on the Richter Scale a 3 is equivalent to the amount of vibration you feel when a truck passes by).

    The whole fracking causing earthquakes is some liberal fairytale. Science doesn't support it.
     
  6. Evil Scooter

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    ^^^^ What he said. x2.
     
  7. Etherton

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    Technically, you derailed it on post 2. Just saying. :D
     
  8. Talyrius

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    /facepalm

    They have seismic activity data for all of these areas prior to the fracking. The data clearly shows fracking is at fault as it's the only variable that has changed. The only fairy tale here is your own.
     
  9. Quartz-1

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    My brother is a geologist. He says that small earthquakes are actually beneficial - they're relieving the stresses with the Earth, helping prevent the Big One from happening - but if you frack near a fault capable of major slippage you're foolish in the extreme.
     
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    The article itself states that fracking by itself is NOT the culprit. Instead it is the deep disposal wells used to get rid of waste water. The only link to fracking is the large amount of waste water fracking generates. If they would recycle the fracking water instead of using the deep injection wells, the earthquakes would likely go away. Given the drought here in OK, recycling the water would help solve two problems.
     
  11. They have started fracking in the UK and are wanting to expand it a thousandfold due to a new gas field being found, the energy companies say it will be "totally safe to extract it".

    However I disagree after watching that US documentary Gasland where people could turn on their water taps and then use a lighter to make them catch fire and their water source has been classed as unfit for human consumption so they now have to get a tanker to fill up an external water tank every week.

    Fracking is one extraction process that I am not sold on as of yet.
     
  12. Grahamkracka

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    Gasland was full of shit...hardly a reliable source of info in regards to hydraulic fracturing.
     
  13. Grahamkracka

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    Lemme guess, chemtrails! AMIRIGHT?!??!

    Seriously, you can't say science doesn't support something without providing the evidence that supports your position. There is plenty of science that supports it.
     
  14. Ducman69

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    The better parallel is about all the hidden dangers of vaccinations, which everyone was so sure of, and turns out they were all retarded.
     
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    I like how people dismiss something as "liberal" when they don't like what it implies.

    http://www.seismosoc.org/society/press_releases/BSSA_105-1_Skoumal_et_al_Press_Release.pdf

    http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7495823/fracking-felt-earthquake-ohio-hydraulic-fracturing

    http://earthquakes.ok.gov/

    "Oklahoma experienced 585 magnitude 3+ earthquakes in 2014 compared to 109 events recorded in 2013. This rise in seismic events has the attention of scientists, citizens, policymakers, media and industry. See what information and research state officials and regulators are relying on as the situation progresses."

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...sts-over-fracking-wastewater-s-link-to-quakes

    Every. Single. State. That has seen a rise in earthquake activity has also had a rise in fracking operations.

    It's not a coincidence.

    Calling inconvenient facts a liberal conspiracy just highlights how much of a fucktard you are.
     
  16. Jagger100

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    All seismic activity can be explained by fracking. huh.
     
  17. Jagger100

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    You mean elements of the Left don't have a war on hydrocarbon based energy sources? Haven't sought to restrict supply directly and indirectly through regulation? And in order to emplace regulation, they need a 'crisis' to campaign upon?
     
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    False. After Thorough research studies, the states of Ohio and Oklahoma have confirmed that injection wells which are a part of fracking are responsible for the earthquakes. Your statement is absolutely false.
     
  19. Grahamkracka

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    Because bringing politics into anything gets to the root of the problem? Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation, but there IS some evidence that supports a link between hydraulic fracturing and the rise in seismic activity is many areas. At the very least it merits further investigation by entities that don't have huge financial conflicts of interest (IE, the oil and gas operator/service companies).
     
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    What about all the poisons that get pumped deep into the ground, poisoning water and soil? Is that part another tale out of the liberal agenda, too?

    ffs dude
     
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    And earthquakes of 4.0 and.higher are occurring so you're wrong on that too. Overall you're wrong on everything you said pretty much.
     
  22. Jagger100

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    How is the end-goal of complaining about fracking not inherently political? The purpose is to move the government to stop the practice. How the Fuck is that not political already? The fact I pulled off the veil to reveal the usual players in this political issue means I made it political. Fucken bullshit.
     
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    If you look at those maps and look up GeoThermal energy plants you will notice some new plants being built there. A seismologist that works at berkley said that GeoThermal in CA causes about 100 small quakes a day. Of Course Josh Fox blames it on fracking so he can make millions of dollars with his movies and books,
     
  24. Grahamkracka

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    I don't look at the end goal as stopping fracking. I like energy. Even though I think we should be more aggressively transitioning to non-fossil fuel sources of energy...I do realize that won't happen for decades. In the meant time, we need fossil fuels...and a lot of it. If the main cause of the seismic activity ends up being the deep injection disposal wells, then that can be relatively easily remedied by finding an alternate disposal method or even recycling it. It's only when politics are brought into the conversation that it becomes a black and white issue that dictates that fracking must keep going with the status quo OR completely stopped.
     
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    Sorry, no. Injection wells are related to fracking like air is to flight. It's just a medium. The total amount of frack waste water is less than .01% of the amount they dispose of.

    You are exposing your complete lack of understanding of the oil and gas exploration energy business. Please stop repeating greenie talking points meant to inflame since you have no understanding.
     
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    Just sting here with Cletus waiting for the big one to take my computer down here in Oklahoma:p We feel them every day the biggest one I've felt so far in Tulsa Is a 5 magnitude I believe.
     
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    Please explain the earthquakes in Oklahome 100/200/2000/50,000/2000000 years ago.

    Please explain the earthquakes in CT where there has been a total of 0 frack jobs in the history of man.

    These idiots are arguing that wet streets cause rain.
     
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    What poisons? Name one. Have you ever even filed out a frack report? Do you know what they are? Have you ever seen the EPA guidelines as to what can be used? Do you have even the slightest actual knowledge of how this is done?
     
  29. jojo69

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    itt everyone is an expert
     
  30. Grahamkracka

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    You have no idea what my background is. That and you're full of shit. Most of the waste water that goes into the injection wells in these particular areas comes from oil gas operations...which have expanded enormously with increased usage of fracking.

    CT does have a mild seismic history, and minor earthquakes have been recorded as far back as the late 1700's. Nothing they are currently experiencing conflicts with what we know about the history of the area.

    Oklahoma on the other hand experienced a sharp increase in both the sheer number and the number of magnitude 3+ earthquakes in areas that are experiencing a higher rate of deep injection disposal. Nobody is disputing that earthquakes don't happen there, it's the sudden increase that correlates with certain activities that are a cause for concern. Do we know for sure that deep injection wells are causing this? No, not really...but it would be nice to know if that is the case. Hell, it's not like there isn't precedent as there have been a couple pretty large quakes in recent history that have been known to be caused by injection wells. I don't see why people like you see investigating and getting concrete answers about the situation is such a bad thing.
     
  31. SilverSliver

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    If you are going to post scientific news, at least get the science part right.

    Directly from the article

    Nothing to do with fracking at all. Simple a by product of the large amounts of water being produced from the prolofic water producing formations in these areas.
     
  32. Well what was causing all those folks water to turn flammable and be unfit for human consumption ?

    The home/land owners said it only started happening once the fracking started, so their must be some connection to fracking and what happened to those folks water.
     
  33. SilverSliver

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    Exactly. The dangers of casing leaks into potable water tables is not frac fluid, but hydrocarbons and high chloride produced waters themselves.

    It's like being upset someone put 1/10th of an oz of hydrochloric acid in the gallon of oil you are about to drink. Of course, these are the same people that emptied out that open air fresh water reservoir in Washington State because the video camera caught a guy peeing into it. The concept of dilution is meaningless to them.
     
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    Almost all areas in which there are hydrocarbon basins have some amount of methane gas seepage into the shallow potable water zones. In Pennsylvania and NY, while everyone else in the world was using whale oil for light, they were home to the first natural gas powered lights as a byproduct from the water wells.

    This is also why all water wells, if done properly in these areas, have vents to let the naturally occurring methane bleed off.
     
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    I think I do actually, and I think that background isn't a scientific one nor one qualified to be acting as some kind of authority on the issue.
     
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    Don't need to know your background. If you don't know the difference between produced water and frack waste water you would serve yourself well to not reveal your ignorance of the subject.

    So since the drilling has gone down over 100% why is the frequency higher? Why are the earthquakes not clustered around the fracking? Why are they not clustered around the injection wells. It's really about 3 suspect wells.

    Deep injections wells are orders of magnitude more related to produced water than anything even remotely tied to fracking.

    Here's a hint waste water from production in the Hunton lime is in the billions of times greater than all fracking in the entire state.

    No one is against investigation. See the problem is people like you have declared the answer before the facts are even gathered. We've seen that show before, CLIMATE CHANGE BS.
     
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    1. The people they quoted lied. And they caught them spiking the test.
    2. There have been oil seeps and methane/ethane/propane leaks into shallow aquifers longer than man has been on the planet.
     
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    lol, brb diggin a hole in the ground and starting massive earthquake
     
  40. Grahamkracka

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    I know the difference...and I also know that produced water and frac waste water is treated the same in most cases. Where does all this produced water come from? Is it not a byproduct of O&G production (to include the many frac wells)? Or are they drilling wells just to gather waste water they can dispose of in another well?

    I'm not against fracking, which you clearly think I am. I am against irresponsibly continuing a course of action that might have some serious effects on the local geology. If it's actually definitively proven that deep injection wells aren't causing this, then fine...keep pumping that shit down there. However, there is some evidence that supports both sides of the argument. I'd like to know once and for all what the hell is really happening so the appropriate decisions on how to approach a problem if there is one.

    It's pretty clear you and I don't share the same view on this. But be careful, this thread will go into a downward spiral with no hope of recovery if this is brought into the conversation. :p
     
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