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I had wondered if that was a possibility. Ideally I'd get a 3080Ti or a 3090 to replace my 2080 Ti.
Took 1 month to step up from the 3060 xc to 3090. Not too bad. With demand leveling off maybe that wait is even quicker now.
 

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Really curious to see if the 3080Ti demand falls off at all in the coming months. That' s lot more coin than a 3080 FTW3.
Yeah it is a lot of money for e Nerfed card. I feel Nvidia might have bit themselves in the ass with that one.
I hope sales drop hard and they have to adjust pricing.
 

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Little value to ETH miners. They still make money mining.

https://whattomine.com/gpus

With the current crypto situation even if they're making money right this minute that doesn't say anything about tomorrow. The market's trend over the last 6 weeks is decidedly downward, and it will probably take a while before enough people forget about losing their shirt on this stuff and are ready to start plowing money into it again.
 

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The market's trend over the last 6 weeks is decidedly downward, and it will probably take a while before enough people forget about losing their shirt on this stuff and are ready to start plowing money into it again.

You're underestimating the power of human stupidity.
 

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With the current crypto situation even if they're making money right this minute that doesn't say anything about tomorrow. The market's trend over the last 6 weeks is decidedly downward, and it will probably take a while before enough people forget about losing their shirt on this stuff and are ready to start plowing money into it again.
I think the biggest factor is the move to proof of stake rather than the price. It’s a complex calculus, but mining was profitable when Ethereum was over $700/ether and will likely continue to be somewhat profitable. One of the reasons pricing has tanked is due to the China crackdown. There is a declining amount of hash power out of China (and from anyone getting out of mining) which means there are increased rewards for the remaining miners. The profitability is not just 100% tied to the price, although it helps.

However, time is running out to make a return on investment on a GPU if the move to proof of stake occurs as planned at the end of 2021. To me that should drop the demand by miners. But then again like it was said, don’t underestimate stupidity.
 

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I think the biggest factor is the move to proof of stake rather than the price. It’s a complex calculus, but mining was profitable when Ethereum was over $700/ether and will likely continue to be somewhat profitable. One of the reasons pricing has tanked is due to the China crackdown. There is a declining amount of hash power out of China (and from anyone getting out of mining) which means there are increased rewards for the remaining miners. The profitability is not just 100% tied to the price, although it helps.

However, time is running out to make a return on investment on a GPU if the move to proof of stake occurs as planned at the end of 2021. To me that should drop the demand by miners. But then again like it was said, don’t underestimate stupidity.
Lower daily returns make buying pricey scalped cards increasingly risky though. At current prices/rates earning out the purchase price of a scalped GPU is going to take around a year. Which means a lengthy period where a moderate drop in mining profitability combined with a collapse in the scalped card price bubble could leave people buying in now with cards that will never pay for themselves.
 

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Lower daily returns make buying pricey scalped cards increasingly risky though. At current prices/rates earning out the purchase price of a scalped GPU is going to take around a year. Which means a lengthy period where a moderate drop in mining profitability combined with a collapse in the scalped card price bubble could leave people buying in now with cards that will never pay for themselves.
I don’t know how buying a scalped card and mining was ever a profitable venture. At best buying a card near msrp and then selling it used at scalper prices to buy a new gpu at scalper prices would be one of the only ways to make that work.

I had read a report from an analyst that claimed 1 in 4 AIB GPU sales went to miners directly. Not sure how they came up with that figure, but I fully believe it if they were buying in bulk.
 

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I don’t know how buying a scalped card and mining was ever a profitable venture. At best buying a card near msrp and then selling it used at scalper prices to buy a new gpu at scalper prices would be one of the only ways to make that work.

I had read a report from an analyst that claimed 1 in 4 AIB GPU sales went to miners directly. Not sure how they came up with that figure, but I fully believe it if they were buying in bulk.
IIRC at the peak of the recent crypto price bubble, new cards, even at at scalped prices, were earning enough to pay for themselves in 3-4 months (higher coin prices and less hashing power). Then it would take a lot less time to mine enough that you could break even if there was something like a 90% fall in value; and the mismatch between gamer demand and total cards produced meant that even with miners bailing out cards would probably sit above MSRP for a bit.

Back then I could totally understand why miners were gladly paying the scalped prices. Now though, I think it makes as much sense as buying crypto on a margin account; it could still be a big win if prices surge again, but could also turn into a disaster if they fall once more.
 

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Lower daily returns make buying pricey scalped cards increasingly risky though. At current prices/rates earning out the purchase price of a scalped GPU is going to take around a year. Which means a lengthy period where a moderate drop in mining profitability combined with a collapse in the scalped card price bubble could leave people buying in now with cards that will never pay for themselves.
What many continue to miss is that a GPU being used for mining doesn't need to break even to "ROI". It only needs to beat depreciation.
 

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IIRC at the peak of the recent crypto price bubble, new cards, even at at scalped prices, were earning enough to pay for themselves in 3-4 months (higher coin prices and less hashing power). Then it would take a lot less time to mine enough that you could break even if there was something like a 90% fall in value; and the mismatch between gamer demand and total cards produced meant that even with miners bailing out cards would probably sit above MSRP for a bit.

Back then I could totally understand why miners were gladly paying the scalped prices. Now though, I think it makes as much sense as buying crypto on a margin account; it could still be a big win if prices surge again, but could also turn into a disaster if they fall once more.
Tbh I think at scalped prices it’s more like 6+ months and the problem is the bubble peaked so quickly that it may take longer than that since the peak was only April-May (say 2 out of the 4-6 months needed to break even). I think at msrp it could be as low as 2-4 months depending on the card. 3060 ti probably being the quickest to break even and then the 3060.
 

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What many continue to miss is that a GPU being used for mining doesn't need to break even to "ROI". It only needs to beat depreciation.
And when the scalped card bubble pops you're looking at 50-70% depreciation in a very short timespan. And another round of hard reduction in returns, either from another large drop in base coin prices, or smaller one combined with the etherium mining nerf planned for sometime next month and even beating normal depreciation's going to get a lot harder.
 
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And when the scalped card bubble pops you're looking at 50-70% depreciation in a very short timespan. And another round of hard reduction in returns, either from another large drop in base coin prices, or smaller one the etherium mining nerf planned for sometime next month and even beating normal depreciation's going to get a lot harder.
Correct, the current prices are based on selling cards to people that think they're going to make money running a program on it. Now's the time to get out for anyone that bought cards for mining, because in another month or two there won't be anyone left that is thinking they can afford that $2000 3080Ti because they'll just run a program 24/7, and the secondary market is going to have a system adjustment.
 

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Correct, the current prices are based on selling cards to people that think they're going to make money running a program on it. Now's the time to get out for anyone that bought cards for mining
No, it isn't. But the nuanced why is beyond the scope of this thread. Mining profitability/yield is actually up despite some panic-selling on ebay by people that don't understand what's going on.

My advice to anyone reading unresearched, kneejerk comments you find on the internet - especially from those that may have an axe to grind about crypto mining conceptually or are just bitter about GPU prices being where they are - is do your own research; zoom out and take a holistic view. Nothing happens overnight. The moment to moment spikes up or down - or the FUD of the day - mean fuckall; it's all about moving average. And never make any financial decision based on fear. Case in point the nervous sheep that panic-sold 2080 Ti's for $400 last year, some of them egged on by shitheads on the forum encouraging them to.
 
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No, it isn't. But the nuanced why is beyond the scope of this thread. Mining profitability/yield is actually up despite some panic-selling on ebay by people that don't understand what's going on.

My advice to anyone reading unresearched, kneejerk comments you find on the internet - especially from those that may have an axe to grind about crypto mining conceptually or are just bitter about GPU prices being where they are - is do your own research; zoom out and take a holistic view. Nothing happens overnight. The moment to moment spikes up or down - or the FUD of the day - mean fuckall; it's all about moving average. And never make any financial decision based on fear. Case in point the nervous sheep that panic-sold 2080 Ti's for $400 last year, some of them egged on by shitheads on the forum encouraging them to.

I should clarify, I meant for anyone that wants to sell off their cards before their resale value dips significantly, now is the time to sell. I'm well aware that prices of most crypto can go down significantly and still be "profitable" for those that already have the gear and only need to pay for the electricity. I don't expect card prices to go off a cliff, but by the end of the year I'm guessing the average price in the second hand market will be back around retail, if not lower.

That being said, the market has shown its momentum, and that's downward. Whether that's back to Bitcoin (and I only mention it because it seems to track the overall crypto market) for a few thousand dollars and everything else going to 1/10th to 1/5th of its current value, or something higher but still much lower than the current values, it's already decided, the peak of a couple of months ago won't be back for a while, and the historic levels of value for them is a good bet about where they're going to converge.
 

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With the current crypto situation even if they're making money right this minute that doesn't say anything about tomorrow. The market's trend over the last 6 weeks is decidedly downward, and it will probably take a while before enough people forget about losing their shirt on this stuff and are ready to start plowing money into it again.
And the trend for the next 5 years? There's already been 2 big spikes in crypto prices. Will likely happen again.
 

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And the trend for the next 5 years? There's already been 2 big spikes in crypto prices. Will likely happen again.
It's possible. Though at that point (4-5 years down the road) I'm not sure how much value a collection of RTX 3000 cards will be delivering.
 

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Color me surprised, but either there wasn't as much demand, or they fixed their site, but the auto notify process was pretty quick and snappy today. Though I got in at 6:01am PT and they're about 9 seconds in, so i've got a while to go on those
I would say not as much demand for WC cards. It is a niche market.
 

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Anyone interested in an Xbox X that I won in shuffle today.
I dont think I even checked the box
 

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It's possible. Though at that point (4-5 years down the road) I'm not sure how much value a collection of RTX 3000 cards will be delivering.
1070's sold for $600 again this last go round a couple months back.

If you bought a 1070 for $300 back in 2017, mined with it for four years, and then sold it for $600. Well you made out like a bandit. My cousin bought a pair of 1070's in 2017, and has mined with them steady since 2017, He figures be made about .3 BTC on those two cards over 4 years --- at any rate -- that was a stellar choice. He did not sell them in this last seller's bonanza as I advised him to. They are still mining away.
 
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Pretty livid with Newegg currently. It said i won the bundle for the monitor + gigabyte 3070Ti today. Email was sent at 5:30 EST, and i saw it come through around 6PM. Instantly logged in and was greeted with an empty cart, and a message that one or two items were removed due to availability. Checked email address vs address i was logged in with to confirm i wasn't somehow logged in incorrectly. Tried multiple times clicking the link... no luck. So i guess they don't actually reserve the bundle for you?
 

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I'm beginning to think the recent news articles in some publications about easing availability is mostly bs, false flag operations by manufacturers to prevent the market from overheating too much like in May which is bad for them long term. Yes, the evga b stock 2070s lasted a bit today but they weren't exactly a money print previously, I have yet to see any major gpu being available easily for more than 30 seconds.
 

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I'm going to send back my asus 3080 pre built from BB today unless someone here wants it at cost, can't be bothered to part it or mine with the 3080....
And sent back more headache than it was worth...need to stop my trigger finger squeezing buy every time :)
 
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Pretty livid with Newegg currently. It said i won the bundle for the monitor + gigabyte 3070Ti today. Email was sent at 5:30 EST, and i saw it come through around 6PM. Instantly logged in and was greeted with an empty cart, and a message that one or two items were removed due to availability. Checked email address vs address i was logged in with to confirm i wasn't somehow logged in incorrectly. Tried multiple times clicking the link... no luck. So i guess they don't actually reserve the bundle for you?

I actually won the shuffle today. Woot? But I was at work all day so I missed the buy window. Lul...

The newegg shuffles are only available until 2pm PST or 5pm EST. I notice that sometimes (on diff emails), the email confirmation from shuffles come late. So you might need to just check the newegg account by 2PM PST and not wait for the email. Just so you know. All shuffle purchase times are by 2PM PST asfar as I know, so if you waited after that time, thats why you had nothing.
 
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I'm beginning to think the recent news articles in some publications about easing availability is mostly bs, false flag operations by manufacturers to prevent the market from overheating too much like in May which is bad for them long term. Yes, the evga b stock 2070s lasted a bit today but they weren't exactly a money print previously, I have yet to see any major gpu being available easily for more than 30 seconds.
Hmm
 
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Is the one with the 11700k and tug 3080? Mine still hasn't arrived after nearly a week. When I ordered it was estimated to be delivered this past Tuesday. Normally Items I get at BB.com come from Ohio but in this case is coming from Cali. Im going to put everything in a better case with a 240mm EK AIO I already h ave.
Yep, mine came from the midwest and back it goes, BB logistics :)
 

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Is the one with the 11700k and tug 3080? Mine still hasn't arrived after nearly a week. When I ordered it was estimated to be delivered this past Tuesday. Normally Items I get at BB.com come from Ohio but in this case is coming from Cali. Im going to put everything in a better case with a 240mm EK AIO I already h ave.
That's super strange. I got one of those systems in early after buying it last week. Original ETA was Saturday, it ended up being ready for pickup Friday
 

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That's super strange. I got one of those systems in early after buying it last week. Original ETA was Saturday, it ended up being ready for pickup Friday
Delayed again. Now expected delivery Saturday. Pitiful. When I ordered it the 17th it was supposed to be here on the 22nd.
 

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Delayed again. Now expected delivery Saturday. Pitiful. When I ordered it the 17th it was supposed to be here on the 22nd.
Damn that sucks!
When I ordered 5800x from AMD a few months ago it took over 2 weeks with some storms keeping it stuck.
By the time it came I had a 5900x in my PC running and I sold the 5800x
 

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Congratulations, you've been selected to spend $2300.

Yeah, no thanks. I didn't even realize I selected the 3090.
Im pretty sure I didnt select an xbox the other day and I won that opportunity in the shuffle. We have an Xbox already and I wouldnt have selected it unless by accident
 
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