Official BenQ FP241W Thread !!! Info, Pictures, Reviews

SteveW928 said:
A number of pages back, there was a link to a review site that compared the Z to the W. Although, it is still not clear if it was an actual production model or not... I'm not sure I really don't want the Z yet, even if I was willing to spend the extra money. The Z looked a bit like a downgrade to me (colors were worse I think) from that review. Hopefully we'll see some more reviews on actual shipping models.
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MaJ-ReD said:
I don't know if this is true or not, but have read on a few websites that they used a lesser quality LCD panel for the WZ models?

Can anyone confirm or deny this claim?
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kadiir said:
Somewhere in this thread it was also pointed out that no WZs had shipped out from the production line - only samples (at least, at the time of the BE review).
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This article explains the discrepancy found in the behardware review:

Link

Basically, the FP241WZ that was reviewed was a prototype only, and was using a Samsung S-PVA panel with a scanning backlight.

All shipping versions of the FP241WZ will have an AUO P-MVA panel using Black Frame Insert (BFI). The FP241W uses this same P-MVA panel but doesn't include BFI. So, the quality of the FP241WZ should be exactly the same as the FP241W with the bonus of having AMA Z (BFI). 1:1 pixel mapping and aspect control has been confirmed in all shipping versions of the FP241WZ as well.
 
maarek99 said:
Anyone else have 1920x1200 at 75hz? I can only get 60. Someone?
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1920x1200x75Hz exceed the bandwidth specs of the SL-DVI. And the monitor will not utilize the DL-DVI nor I suspect does the input chip on the monitor able to process it.
 
I've had my FP241W for two weeks, and I couldn't be happier. I've been using computers since 1978, and this is my first non-CRT monitor. The picture is perfectly crisp, it is very bright, and it works great in all computer applications, (text / graphics / games).

The stretching doesn't bother me at all. I've been using a 480p/1080i rear-projection widescreen television for 5 years. Until recently, the vast majority of television was 4:3 content that I've been stretching to 16:9. You get used to the stretch real quick.

When I bought this monitor, I did not know if it did 1:1 mapping, and to be honest, it doesn't bother me at all that it doesn't.
 
darklight_tr said:
So, the quality of the FP241WZ should be exactly the same as the FP241W with the bonus of having AMA Z (BFI). 1:1 pixel mapping and aspect control has been confirmed in all shipping versions of the FP241WZ as well.
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Yea, but don't forget. The WZ model is going to be 200 dollars more then the W.
 
It looks like the WZ has the same ($1299) MSRP that the W had when it was originally announced. Judging by the current situation it's possible BenQ could discontinue the FP241W in favor of the WZ and VW models. I suppose that would be the way to avoid the 1:1 upgrade that seems to be getting more vague in detail as we get closer to the time of supposed release.

Does anyone know when BenQ intends to release the FP241VW or know how it will stack up against the W/WZ models of now in terms of Response Time and panel quality? (I know a lot of you say it looks worse [in design], but I still like it and won't really care if it fixes the W's problems)
 
Askanison said:
1920x1200x75Hz exceed the bandwidth specs of the SL-DVI. And the monitor will not utilize the DL-DVI nor I suspect does the input chip on the monitor able to process it.
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Hehe.... besides that, I'm trying to figure out why they would want to drive it at 75hz. Scan rate (for the video card for a CRT) does not equal frame rate (which would be more dependent on what software.... ie: game, movie, etc.).

LCDs just have a pixel refresh time. That is the 6 or 8 ms gray-2-gray thing we keep seeing. That basically means that the fastest the pixels can change for 6ms is 166.667 times per second. 8ms would be 125 times per second. Either is plenty fast for just about any kind of motion, video, or gaming.

The problem comes in more with stuff like a less average transition (black-white-black), where I think most of these panels are 16ms which is only 62.5 times per second. That starts to get close to what is noticeable to the average person. My hunch is that it is this kind of stuff that gives us a bit of a ghosting impression at certain points in parts of the screen under certain conditions.
 
SteveW928 said:
Hehe.... besides that, I'm trying to figure out why they would want to drive it at 75hz. Scan rate (for the video card for a CRT) does not equal frame rate (which would be more dependent on what software.... ie: game, movie, etc.).
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Because pal video material is 50 fps. That means when I watch it on my BenQ fp241w at 60hz the material is jerky as it can't fit 50 to 60. A 75hz refresh rate would be way better and decrease the jitter. Pal movies also playback at 25 fps and that fits perfectly under 75hz.

Not so hard to figure out. I was asking because a couple of advertisements showed that it should be capable of 75hz at 1920x1200, but I guess they lied.
 
Sycraft said:
SteveW928: Because it's NOT a defect. When something doesn't have a given feature, that's not a defect, that's a choice. Not all products have all features. The FP241W is no more "defective" than a monitor that doesn't have an HDMI input, or PIP.
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This is a factuous comparison. The difference is, of course, that BenQ STILL advertise this monitor as being free of any image distortion. This is when a lacking feature stops being a choice and becomes a defect. Only if they didn't would what you are saying have any relevance. I suppose if you bought a monitor that boasted HDMI or PIP and then had to pay extra to actually get these features you wouldn't mind because "not all products have all features". No, you would complain which is what everbody who BenQ will probably demand more money from should do.
 
maarek99 said:
Because pal video material is 50 fps. That means when I watch it on my BenQ fp241w at 60hz the material is jerky as it can't fit 50 to 60. A 75hz refresh rate would be way better and decrease the jitter. Pal movies also playback at 25 fps and that fits perfectly under 75hz.

Not so hard to figure out. I was asking because a couple of advertisements showed that it should be capable of 75hz at 1920x1200, but I guess they lied.
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Yup, you'll probably get jerking, streaking and tearing with PAL material unless you use a refresh rate which is a simple multiplier of 25. 60Hz is OK for N. American users, as NTSC broadcasts use 30fps.

I've had a look at the handbook, and unless I'm going blind, 1920x1200 @ 75Hz *is* a supported resolution - it's outside the specs for single-link DVI though as stated above. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, but are you sure you have a dual-link capable card, and if so you're using the right connector (many cards only have dual-link capability on one DVI socket)?

If the monitor can't do it after all, I guess I'll have to think again about my order... :(
 
BrokenAnimator said:
Quick fact check here guys:

Pal is actually 25 frames per second. Interlaced would need 50hz refresh rate.

NTSC is 30 frames a second, interlaced would need a 60hz refresh rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/576i
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NTSC may be 30 FPS, but almost any movie is shot originally at 24 fps. witch neither will fit in 50 or 60 very well. But if you don't notice it much on a DVD player. then it probably should not bug you too much on this.
 
I see that amazon is selling 24IN LCD 1000:1 Wide 6MS 500NTS FP241WZ Mntr for 1121.99 USD. Is this price a little high? does it have the 1:1 fix?
 
Got one!!!

Sweet, very bright compared to my old 19" Samsung.

Fast pixels, good color, can't find any malfunctioning pixels. Started up some Doom3 and it's as good as I've seen any LCD. No noticeable back light bleeding around sides like my samsung suffered.

Blacks still need a lot of improvement though.
 
SlyNine said:
NTSC may be 30 FPS, but almost any movie is shot originally at 24 fps. witch neither will fit in 50 or 60 very well. But if you don't notice it much on a DVD player. then it probably should not bug you too much on this.
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huh, I am not sure what your getting at.

Movies are shot on film at a 24 FPS exposure time, or 24 FPS with HD camera's but they are not interlaced they are progressive. They are then converted to NTSC or PAL through the 3:2 pull down method.

Don't confuse Frames per Second with interlaced fields they are two different things. 60HZ refresh is enough to properly display interlaced NTFS or PAL. Anyways I digress.....we need to go back on topic of the Benq fp241w.
 
This thread seems to be full of complaints, but strangely enough, none from actual owners of the monitor?
 
I was wondering if I connect something to this monitor through component or HDMI is there anyway to connect to my computer speakers to get audio?
 
maarek99 said:
Because pal video material is 50 fps. That means when I watch it on my BenQ fp241w at 60hz the material is jerky as it can't fit 50 to 60. A 75hz refresh rate would be way better and decrease the jitter. Pal movies also playback at 25 fps and that fits perfectly under 75hz.

Not so hard to figure out. I was asking because a couple of advertisements showed that it should be capable of 75hz at 1920x1200, but I guess they lied.
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Yes, but LCDs don't 'scan' like a CRT does. So, other than how the signal processing circuitry wants the input signal... I think this should be irrelevant. (Unless, you're feeding the signal into one of the analog inputs.... then the video processing circuitry has to do stuff like de-interlace and 'map' the analog signal to the pixels of the LCD.)

"Flat-panel Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) monitors do not suffer from flicker even if their refresh rate is 60 Hz or even lower. This is because LCD pixels open to allow a continuous stream of light to pass through until instructed by the video signal to produce a darker color. CRTs by comparison create a momentary burst of light each time the electron beam strikes a particular point on the CRT."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision

Or...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate

So, I think the scan rate for an LCD is just for the DVI to be able to lock on to the signal... then the 'frame rate' is simply whatever the rate of the source material is. If you're watching 24 fps quick-time movie... then you're seeing 24 fps. If you're playing some 1st person shooter with a frame rate of 90 fps... then its 90 fps.

Where the LCD will begin to show issues, is when your fps of what you are doing is faster than the pixels can flip.... ex: 6ms or 8ms g-g, or 16ms full range.

If this isn't the case... then they must be doing some kind of pre-processing to the signal... which I don't understand why they would be with DVI.
 
SteveW928 said:
Yes, but LCDs don't 'scan' like a CRT does. So, other than how the signal processing circuitry wants the input signal... I think this should be irrelevant.
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Have you ever heard of vsync? Do you play games? It's not irrelevant. You're talking about flicker, I'm talking about jittery video that is completely smooth in a 100hz tube. I have a crt and an lcd here. I do a lot of video editing so it's pretty important.

then you're seeing 24 fps. If you're playing some 1st person shooter with a frame rate of 90 fps... then its 90 fps.
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Totally wrong. The scan rate is locked at 60. Using vsync you can lock the frame rate of games at 60, if you don't and it goes somewhere other than 60 (lower or higher) then you will get tearing. A 60hz lcd cannot show more than 60fps. Because the signal is digital and 60hz 50 fps video will be jittery. No jitter at 60fps. That's why I'm interested in getting 75hz out of the benq. Will be testing my other dvi port today, my video card should support dual-dvi.

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Nope, I have dual link dvi at both ports, the benq doesn't support 1920x1200 at 75hz.
 
Great Monitor! Still testing but HL2 looks incredible on this thing. Still waiting on a few more parts to finish the upgrade, I'll do more testing then.

What would be the ideal viewing or sitting distance? Need to find the ideal distance so I can a diff. desk.
 
maarek99 said:
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Nope, I have dual link dvi at both ports, the benq doesn't support 1920x1200 at 75hz.
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I might be clutching at straws now, but is your cable itself dual link (the connectors have 24 pins in three rows of eight, as opposed to two seperate blocks of 3x3)?
 
I was looking at the manual PDF and while it says in the features it supports up to 75Hz, if you look at the list of resolution/refresh settings, it shows 1920x1200 only at 60Hz.

I'm hoping it will work, too, as I'll be getting one soon (with the 1:1 fix).
 
I am wondering if anyone here recently bought one from bestbuy in canada and if they are the fix(1:1) version??
 
kadiir said:
I was looking at the manual PDF and while it says in the features it supports up to 75Hz, if you look at the list of resolution/refresh settings, it shows 1920x1200 only at 60Hz.

I'm hoping it will work, too, as I'll be getting one soon (with the 1:1 fix).
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Yes, you're quite right, I was looking at the horizontal frequency before. Damn.

Oh well, I'll keep looking on all the AV forums to see if there's a workaround. I suppose you might be able to use Powerstrip to drive the monitor at 50Hz if you get problems with PAL stuff, although it seems a bit of an awkward kludge.

It seems too good in other respects to pass up for this one issue...
 
Hey,

Just got the BENQ FP241W for xmas, and its a great screen!!! Its so huge, comming from a 19" LCD i was amazed at the size of a 24" screen.

Any ways, I was wondering what people that own the monitor find are the best settings for a PC DVI input??? I.E color, mode (I find that anything other than standard mode is blury for text on the screen), contrast, brightness etc etc...?

If your looking for a great 24" screen I would def go with this one... Very very very nice screen, colors are very deep, FEAR looks great cept to run the 1900x1200 res Im finding my 7800GTX a little out of date :p Installing Splinter Cell Double Agent now to see what the blakc look like...

Also does anyone have any images to test the screen, and look for dead pixels???

Thanks,

NW
 
NightWolf88 said:
Hey,

Just got the BENQ FP241W for xmas, and its a great screen!!! Its so huge, comming from a 19" LCD i was amazed at the size of a 24" screen.

Any ways, I was wondering what people that own the monitor find are the best settings for a PC DVI input??? I.E color, mode (I find that anything other than standard mode is blury for text on the screen), contrast, brightness etc etc...?

If your looking for a great 24" screen I would def go with this one... Very very very nice screen, colors are very deep, FEAR looks great cept to run the 1900x1200 res Im finding my 7800GTX a little out of date :p Installing Splinter Cell Double Agent now to see what the blakc look like...

Also does anyone have any images to test the screen, and look for dead pixels???

Thanks,

NW
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Hey does your model has 1:1 features on it? BenQ has released a firmwire update which adds 1:1 features and it's supposed to be in a "new batch" of LCDs...
 
Somebody please think of the children! (aka Figure out if your new monitor has 1:1 pixel mapping or not! We are all dieing to know!)
 
BrokenAnimator said:
huh, I am not sure what your getting at.

Movies are shot on film at a 24 FPS exposure time, or 24 FPS with HD camera's but they are not interlaced they are progressive. They are then converted to NTSC or PAL through the 3:2 pull down method.

Don't confuse Frames per Second with interlaced fields they are two different things. 60HZ refresh is enough to properly display interlaced NTFS or PAL. Anyways I digress.....we need to go back on topic of the Benq fp241w.
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You have the original source shooting at 24 FPS. So no matter how you dice it and display it you are putting 24 FPS in to 30 or 60 FPS. or 50 with Pal

And id like to know how you think i got FPS confused with Interlaced fields. I was simply saying the NTCS gives you 30 Full Frames Per Second on standard 480i.

Yes I do understand the exposer time causes a blur that does make this less noticeable. But my point still stands.
 
SlyNine said:
You have the original source shooting at 24 FPS. So no matter how you dice it and display it you are putting 24 FPS in to 30 or 60 FPS. or 50 with Pal

And id like to know how you think i got FPS confused with Interlaced fields. I was simply saying the NTCS gives you 30 Full Frames Per Second on standard 480i.

Yes I do understand the exposer time causes a blur that does make this less noticeable. But my point still stands.
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Your still getting fields and frames confused. Also it's NTSC not NTCS and exposure time does not cause blur pertaining to our subject at hand, film is progressive, you get strobing with film but thats another subject. The reason for flickering is because of the interlacing process. Pal is 25 Frames per second, Interlaced would mean you would have 50hz field rate. Read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/576i

Then read this: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html

That will give you a better understanding of what I am talking about. That should help you out.
 
Anyone get one of these recently and find that it has the 1:1 mapping and aspect ratio fix?
 
BrokenAnimator said:
Your still getting fields and frames confused. Also it's NTSC not NTCS and exposure time does not cause blur pertaining to our subject at hand, film is progressive, you get strobing with film but thats another subject. The reason for flickering is because of the interlacing process. Pal is 25 Frames per second, Interlaced would mean you would have 50hz field rate. Read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/576i

Then read this: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html

That will give you a better understanding of what I am talking about. That should help you out.
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I completely understand the difference between Fields and Frames.

And again the exposer time does in fact cause a blur , And it does in fact make the interleaved video less noticeable. And that is in fact what i was talking about.

And FYI. I did read that article long before reading this forum.

And what I am saying is that. You have originally 24 FPS, You then cut it up in 2 Interlaced fields for TV's. then the DVD player takes the fields and sends them to the TV. SO you have 24 FPS ( call it fields.. or frames I don't care ) being displayed at 60hz/FPS

And the flicker can be caused by more then just the Interlaced fields switching back and forth, glow rate and the time between scaning the 2 fields can cause the flicker just as well

If you want to consider what you see in a theatre a strobing effect rather then a flicker , By all means.

ALL I am saying is that. If DVD played on a TV does not bug you too much. Then why would PAL being played on this monitor bug you.
 
SlyNine said:
I completely understand the difference between Fields and Frames.

And again the exposer time does in fact cause a blur , And it does in fact make the interleaved video less noticeable. And that is in fact what i was talking about.

And FYI. I did read that article long before reading this forum.

And what I am saying is that. You have originally 24 FPS, You then cut it up in 2 Interlaced fields for TV's. then the DVD player takes the fields and sends them to the TV. SO you have 24 FPS ( call it fields.. or frames I don't care ) being displayed at 60hz/FPS

And the flicker can be caused by more then just the Interlaced fields switching back and forth, glow rate and the time between scaning the 2 fields can cause the flicker just as well

If you want to consider what you see in a theatre a strobing effect rather then a flicker , By all means.
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What can I say, your wrong, plain and simple. Please re-read the posted links to understand.

Your not understanding the difference between progressive and interlaced fields. Dosen't matter though, lets get back on subject here.
 
BrokenAnimator said:
What can I say, your wrong, plain and simple. Please re-read the posted links to understand.

Your not understanding the difference between progressive and interlaced fields. Dosen't matter though, lets get back on subject here.
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Well you could start by explaining what part of my post was wrong, more importantly why it was wrong and how it does not fit in to the criteria of what would be right for you.

But you are right this does not matter.
 
NightWolf88 said:
Hey,

Just got the BENQ FP241W for xmas, and its a great screen!!! Its so huge, comming from a 19" LCD i was amazed at the size of a 24" screen.

Any ways, I was wondering what people that own the monitor find are the best settings for a PC DVI input??? I.E color, mode (I find that anything other than standard mode is blury for text on the screen), contrast, brightness etc etc...?

If your looking for a great 24" screen I would def go with this one... Very very very nice screen, colors are very deep, FEAR looks great cept to run the 1900x1200 res Im finding my 7800GTX a little out of date :p Installing Splinter Cell Double Agent now to see what the blakc look like...

Also does anyone have any images to test the screen, and look for dead pixels???

Thanks,

NW
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I set it on standard and just put the brightness and Contrast to 50 . It seems right for me. But I have not played with it to much yet.

And you are not the only one wishing they had more power to push this thing. My 1900XT could use more juice as well.
 
SlyNine said:
You have the original source shooting at 24 FPS. So no matter how you dice it and display it you are putting 24 FPS in to 30 or 60 FPS. or 50 with Pal
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Movies here in europe are sped up 4% and played at 25fps. Video material is 25i.
 
ALL I am saying is that. If DVD played on a TV does not bug you too much. Then why would PAL being played on this monitor bug you.
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Because i do a lot video work and that's at 50fps here in pal-land. Pal movies are 25fps (they are sped up from 24fps) and they should playback smoothly. Ntsc movies will always have some jitter, that's true. Ntsc video on the otherhand will play perfectly on a 60hz display.

Btw, changing the contrast value to other than 50 will destroy either whites or blacks. Going below 30 in brightness will destroy blacks as it doesn't lower backlight, but just starts to digitally remove brightness. That's why some reviews say that the benq fp241w doesn't have detail in the shadows. It removes them if you go below 30 in brightness.
 
would people please shut up about DVD's, PAL, NTCS, etc - those topics are over

and unless you have 1920x1200 WORKING at 75hz, i dont want to hear about it

gosh

please dont hijack threads
 
The 1:1 mapping feature was the 1st thing i checked for and it seems my monitor does not have it (I got mine in Australia, so im sure there will be changes in stock flow compaired to the States or the UK...) I dont have any issue though, as Im mainly using it as a PC monitor... And im just using centered output option for my Nvidia card...

Im Currently using about 28 contrast and 8 brightness on standard mode... And its not the best I cant seem to find just the right settings, I keep switching the contrast and brighness every 15 mins lol... I find that with 50 contrast and 50 brightness that pages like this: http://forums.cyberslam.com.au/ almost have a frosty sort of look... Does anyone else find the same??? Its kind of a horrible theme for a forum... :p

Anyone else can post ther settings (contrast, brightness, color etc)... I find that when i jump into games or im watching a movie or viewing lots of pics I will change to Dynamic mode, it looks great, Dynamic mode by default has 62 contrast... I switch back to standard when using the windows desktop etc etc as the other modes are no good for viewing text... In game its find but when you typing up a document etc its not the best... One thing I can say is that the shadows on dynamic mode are very impressive...

For those interested, I have some pics (excuse my shitty cam)... :p








 
I just called BenQ and I can confirm that they are shipping units with the new 1:1 features. The person I talked to was not sure when the new monitors were going to be phased in, but he said that he would call us back later today if he finds out when.

He said that we can also send it back to get the new update.

UPDATE: I just called newegg and they said that they recieved a new batch of monitors which had the 1:1 features on Dec. 22nd! They said that they have sold out of the older FP241W's which didn't have the update, so all they are shipping to customers now are the monitors with the updates!

I'm going to get one after the guy from BenQ calls back to confirm... Great news!
 
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