Both. They're both impressively bad. Must be that crispy AR coating in action. I'm surprised multople people want to swap out their OLEDs for one, considering how fantastic those look in SDR.
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Odyssey Neo G8 - 4K 240 Hz 32" Quantum Mini LED
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I'm curious if the G7 looks better, supposedly has a less aggressive AG coating
It might be the AR and also the strange FALD ABL. SDR looks a bit better on this monitor when you crank the brightness up. If you set brightness to what you typically would on another monitor for desktop use it makes content/games look atrocious in SDR.
I still think SDR with brightness cranked looks better than HDR 75% of the time in games but I haven't really used it for a while since I'm waiting on a firmware update to see if anything improves. Maybe those of you with 1003.0 firmware aren't seeing what I'm seeing on the older 1002.1.
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The extra $300 in my pocket made it worth it, and I didn't realize how much I like 16:9 more than 21:9 until I compared them side by side. I'm also banking on firmware updates to at least fix color reproduction.
The scanlines are there but I haven't noticed them in games yet.
Tbh, if I didn't need the extra cash I would've kept the AW3423DW but at the same time, I don't feel like I'm missing all that much.
Also, I wonder if people with G8's can notice the scanlines on the blue banner on Microsoft's website as easily as I can.
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11
I can see them from a normal viewing distance.
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1) Camera makes any amount of blooming worse.
2) I swapped it out because a) burn-in is a factor, especially in productivity. People keep saying its now, and then post horror stories about their experience less than a year in, and b) text fringe is horrific on the any of the oleds when programming.
My Neo G7, after calibration, looks great in SDR and HDR. It's better than the C1/C2 in HDR, especially with how bright it gets. The AW3423DW is another story, but that isn't actually kosher with my needs as far as productivity goes and I don't like dealing with the 21:9 quirks.
I was right on the money in saying this thing is no brighter than my C2 with highlights and EOTF is way off (explains why it looks washed out). That hardwareunboxed reviews HDR brightness chart is in no way representative of what it actually looks like. 416nits real scene highlight from G7 Rtings early access:
Both of these monitors are in desperate need of a firmware update but I really don't think its going to improve by more than 100-150nits just like the Neo G9. Not sure what version they reviewed but I'm guessing its the original 1002.1 since they ordered it a long time ago.
Both of these monitors are in desperate need of a firmware update but I really don't think its going to improve by more than 100-150nits just like the Neo G9. Not sure what version they reviewed but I'm guessing its the original 1002.1 since they ordered it a long time ago.
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Did they use auto setting or something? Looks way off from hardware unboxed and nobody had gotten that low of brightness from the measurements. EOTF was near perfect on their unit (and my Neo G7 doesn't have the crushed blacks or washed out colors in HDR like that those measurements suggest.)
I'm also on the 1002.1 firmware
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I don't think HUB is wrong. I think it just comes down to the difference in testing methodology, so both reviews are right it just depends on how they take measurements. Cross checking with multiple reviews lets us get a broader sense of how the monitor is going to perform. What is this "real scene" that RTings uses anyway?
They measure the same highlight from some form of content (I think movie) across all their monitor reviews. They just incorporated 3 different real scene highlight tests into their new TV test bench which you can see here on some of the TV's they updated, check out the HDR measurements.:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/g2-oled
All I'm saying is that test pattern measurements for this monitor are worthless because in actual content as Rtings has demonstrated it behaves drastically different. Their review coincides with not only what I've measured but what my eyes told me immediately upon using it. Maybe there is something wrong with my G8 and their G7, who knows.
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MistaSparkul
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I can agree with that. Samsung has already proven itself to cheat test patterns more than once. Guess this monitor is out of the running for me. If I wanted a dim display with no blooming, I'll just use my OLED. The whole point of mini LED for me is to give those HDR scenes with high APL the pop and vibrancy that OLED's simply cannot match. At this rate I may just end up using my X27 for 10 years who knows.
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Apparently color, Gamma mode, and black equalizer ALL effect EOTF for the monitor. (A gentleman named DCBF_GGoki on discord provided these:
I'm going to be blunt: You're putting way too much stock into the 50-100% sustained windows. That doesn't actually happen all that much. The Highlights are still getting blasted. Hell, if you boot up Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Ori's attacks still have bright highlights despite the scene being bright in itself.
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Huh? I don't really care about 50-100% sustained window test patterns, I just mentioned that Samsung does cheat test patterns and that's already been proven. My concern is the real scene numbers from RTings shows that's quite dim for what it is.
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The lower sustained windows are the important ones is what I'm saying. That's where the highlights come in. And the "Samsung cheating test patterns" thing is what got them to 2600 nits in that small ass window...which nobody is taking seriously.
Either way, I'd just wait until the full review. A lot of this has to do with the panel itself not being actively cooled like the IPS FALD panels are.
Ori really is best case scenario for this monitors FALD algorithm though and one of the few rare cases where it works nicely.
I'm gonna give those settings a try.
EDIT: Also don't really think they will fix the EOTF because its by choice. Samsung doesn't care about accuracy. QN90B does the same thing in game mode over brightening everything. I think the odd "wash out" and bland colors and EOTF are two separate issues. Many games like Forza just look terrible and I don't think the EOTF is solely responsible for that.
I'm gonna give those settings a try.
EDIT: Also don't really think they will fix the EOTF because its by choice. Samsung doesn't care about accuracy. QN90B does the same thing in game mode over brightening everything. I think the odd "wash out" and bland colors and EOTF are two separate issues. Many games like Forza just look terrible and I don't think the EOTF is solely responsible for that.
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I definitely see what you mean. Personally, I'm returning it for other reasons (mainly, scan lines started to appear.) I'm not even sure of there's any actual alternatives at this point, as the IPS monitors have way too much bloom. I may just bite thr bullet and get a FO48U (since thr LG C1 is now out as far as stock is concerned and I don't think thr C2 is worth thr price increase.)
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I returned my Neo G7 (both of them actually) due to flickering, poor uniformity, and subpar HDR performance. I also considered the FO48U due to good deals but ended up biting the bullet and going with the 42C2. No regrets, this thing is worth the price of admission imo. It's a really nice size.
That's what my wife said and she's never coming back!
I'm really conflicted by it. The biggest thing it has going for it is the 240hz and very clean pixel response along with very strong contrast performance which actually matches their flagship QN95B. These 3 things alone make it a very good gaming/media monitor.
The curve is love/hate. I've grown to be pretty indifferent toward it. Scanlines for me aren't really a deal breaker.
Uniformity is terrible with DSE galore (I've now seen 3 including mine), color gamut just looks limited to the eye with stuff that is suppose to be vibrant looking pretty drab and last but not least it's HDR is pretty mediocre.
I'd argue that the last 3 really aren't an issue IMO if you aren't coming from and OLED like I am. Overall it's a big step forward for monitors and the closest thing a LCD monitor has gotten to OLED.
The curve is love/hate. I've grown to be pretty indifferent toward it. Scanlines for me aren't really a deal breaker.
Uniformity is terrible with DSE galore (I've now seen 3 including mine), color gamut just looks limited to the eye with stuff that is suppose to be vibrant looking pretty drab and last but not least it's HDR is pretty mediocre.
I'd argue that the last 3 really aren't an issue IMO if you aren't coming from and OLED like I am. Overall it's a big step forward for monitors and the closest thing a LCD monitor has gotten to OLED.
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C2 is the best gaming display at the moment IMHO. I was skeptical, but ended up unloading everything else except for my PG27UQ.
Ouch!
Monitor already dropped $200, now at $1299, which I still don't think is worth it. Amazon has both the G7 and the G8 at the same price of $1299?????
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsun...-gaming-monitor-white/6507933.p?skuId=6507933
Sounds like the G7 is a much better panel, WTF is Samsung doing!?
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The G7 is brighter, but the G8 is faster. Lol wtf
I don't understand why they'd even ship something with scan lines like that. Insane. I would so much rather have the G7.
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The G7 and G8 use the exact same panel technology. The only differences are the chassis, AG coating and refresh rate. The variation in native contrast that Hardware Unboxed noted between the two monitors is most likely associated with manufacturing tolerances/panel lottery. It's clear that the G8 monitor used for the review had some panel defects.
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What is the cause of the scan lines? not enough bandwidth so they reduce the color which appears in rows of missing color? Is it the cheat code to squeeze 240hz of DisplayPort 1.4?
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No, they had the same problem on the 1440p version. Basically, from what a Korean tech guy told me, the driver ic in the panel can't handle high hz. Usually, companies like AUO don't have this issue because they have a patent for dual driver ic chips that samsung hasn't bothered paying thr license for.
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For the third time in my 2.5 weeks of ownership I've had odd issues with the monitor when waking up my computer from sleep. The attached picture is an example of one of the visual artifacts I've seen, the other two times it was random flickering on the screen. Powering the monitor off and on again fixes the issue.
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Are you using a srgb clamp? Using that did something like this once in awhile
So, I'm feeling a little dumb right now. See, I spent quite a bit of time wrapping this thing up today, and it's only now that I'm watching Linus' Shortcircuit video above that I'm realizing I never tried changing the miniLED settings from "Auto" to always on. I don't know why I didn't think of it, but it seems like exactly the sort of thing that would help the poor SDR colors and contrast I was seeing. Have you tried this, and if so, does it improve things somewhat? If not, maybe give it a go. I'm too lazy to reassemble this thing to check it out myself.
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I have the 1003 firmware on my monitor. And I'm not using any third party sRGB clamps.
Just got the SAMSUNG NEO G7, figured I'd post here since there isn't a Neo G7 thread active that I see.
Few thoughts:
1. Overall looks amazing, extremely satisfied!
2. No major QC issues - no dead pixels, no scanlines, no flickering, etc - 165hz looks great!
3. The anti glare coating is similar to my previous Alienware monitor and I think it looks very good.
Now, like any monitor, its not perfect, some observations:
1. For some reason, I can't get GSYNC working with the GU603ZW laptop (3070ti) either in MSHybrid or MUX modes. In fact, the GSYNC option isn't even showing up. Monitor driver is installed, adaptive sync is on in the monitor OSD, but NVIDIA drivers aren't detecting it. It seems like there is no firmware update yet for the NEO G7. Tried rolling back the NVIDIA drivers to the ones on the ASUS website and it didn't help. Note this setup worked fine with GSYNC using the NEO G9 (which I returned due to panel defect and not liking the size) and AORUS FV43U. But for reasons I can't determine its not working here.
2. There does seem a bit of DSE down the middle of thje monitor (very very subtle vertical bar). It is not something noticable on regular content, really can only see if you look for it on a 100% white screen. Since not noticable on normal content, its not an issue for me but I thought I'd mention it.
Few thoughts:
1. Overall looks amazing, extremely satisfied!
2. No major QC issues - no dead pixels, no scanlines, no flickering, etc - 165hz looks great!
3. The anti glare coating is similar to my previous Alienware monitor and I think it looks very good.
Now, like any monitor, its not perfect, some observations:
1. For some reason, I can't get GSYNC working with the GU603ZW laptop (3070ti) either in MSHybrid or MUX modes. In fact, the GSYNC option isn't even showing up. Monitor driver is installed, adaptive sync is on in the monitor OSD, but NVIDIA drivers aren't detecting it. It seems like there is no firmware update yet for the NEO G7. Tried rolling back the NVIDIA drivers to the ones on the ASUS website and it didn't help. Note this setup worked fine with GSYNC using the NEO G9 (which I returned due to panel defect and not liking the size) and AORUS FV43U. But for reasons I can't determine its not working here.
2. There does seem a bit of DSE down the middle of thje monitor (very very subtle vertical bar). It is not something noticable on regular content, really can only see if you look for it on a 100% white screen. Since not noticable on normal content, its not an issue for me but I thought I'd mention it.
Setting local dimming to High which is where I always leave it at for SDR/HDR does help a whole lot with SDR contrast at the expense of blooming but I don't really think it improves the at times poor SDR presentation because the strange ABL like behavior is still present. For me its not really that bad most of the time, its only in certain games where it just looks dull.
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I had a 43-in 16:9 for a while and I felt it was simply too big vertically even on a deep desk. Felt 49" 32:9 was too big horizontally.
IMO sweet spot is 32" 16:9 or 38" 21:9. Given the monitors out now IMO the Neo G7 is the one to get. My uniformity isn't 100% perfect but good enough given the other positive aspects. OLED has its own set of (IMO larger) issues
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Bottom line specs matter for many, and scanlines are the current tradeoff for 4k 240hz which no other manuf offers.
I went with the neo g7 myself because I prefer fidelity over speed & 165hz is enough. The coating on it is similar to my old Alienware IPS by the way. My guess is they went with the more aggressive coating on the neo g8/g9 monitors probably to counteract RGB in the dark.
IMO Neo G7 is overall best monitor out right now for gaming + general desktop use.
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The blunder with the G8 is the aggressive coating and not offering also that 165 Hz option out of the box. I could see 240 Hz even with scanlines being a viable option playing e.g a multiplayer shooter that can run at those framerates and then you really don't have time to look at image fidelity.
But as it is, I would also buy the Neo G7 over the G8. If they could release it in Europe that is...