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They may not be though. Both Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus stated in videos posted just yesterday that not only did they not have review samples yet but "NOBODY" has them.
A GPU review, especially one as anticipated as these are can't be thrown together overnight. I've never done one obviously but I would guess that from the time it shows up on Brent's doorstep, thru all the testing, retesting, benchmark generating and actually writing the article to the time Kyle has finished editing, writing up his summary and finally uploading it onto the website to go live, 3 weeks is probably cutting it pretty close.
That's why I said earlier, I wonder if Nvidia is doing this deliberately to keep reviews out of the public until actual retail release and all the pre-orders are sold out. I'm hoping that's just me being all tin foil hat.
It was a very run of the mill NDA blown out of all proportion by people who've never read a contract before.
If there were huge IPC gains, they would have mentioned it at their event. All signs point to Nvidia burning early adopters, which is not new behavior for them. I would love to be proven wrong, but not optimistic.There's rumors that with the CUDA cores being more versatile that there could be ~50% rasterization gains.
There's rumors that with the CUDA cores being more versatile that there could be ~50% rasterization gains.
If there were huge IPC gains, they would have mentioned it at their event. All signs point to Nvidia burning early adopters, which is not new behavior for them. I would love to be proven wrong, but not optimistic.
Yep. And the crazy thing is only a small percentage of the chip is dedicated to this. Nvidia knows the software devs need time to make the change so they're rationing the chip hardware between normal rasterization and Ray tracing. As more software goes this route they'll up the dedicated die space for it. Makes perfect sense.
And I don't understand the negativity when the card hasn't even been benched yet.
If there were huge IPC gains, they would have mentioned it at their event. All signs point to Nvidia burning early adopters, which is not new behavior for them. I would love to be proven wrong, but not optimistic.
... there’s good reason to keep your wallet in your pocket and wait and see how this plays out...
It's new. Give it a few generations.. Don't expect miracles with this generation of cards...
PC gamers are beholden to console developers willingness to go the extra distance which usually is limited. I don't see this making big traction at all til it hits console level. That I also don't see happening anytime soon w/o Nvidia making a legitimate big league hardware console.The Nvidia presentation at Gamescom of their RTX cards with ray tracing processing was just hot air.
AMD is defining the narrative of gaming, for now. They are producing the CPU/GPU for the playstation/xbox systems currently and the next gen. Ray tracing will become standard in games when it's standard on consoles. It's not economically logical to buy an overpriced RTX to play some first gen ray tracing show pieces.
If they were worried about cannibalizing the Pascal cards they wouldn't be releasing them at all right now unless it just a hype paper launch and perhaps trying to force retails hands a bit to ease up on the Pascal generation price gouging.Disagree. If there were huge IPC gains, the smarter move is doing the opposite and staying quiet about it so they don't cannibalize the Pascal cards they're trying to clear.
And not sure how any early adopter would get burned when returns exist.
There would be no business upside to spilling early. As I've pointed out, the performance is conveyed in the pricepoints. They tell us where the benchmarks will fall.
Can't agree. Ray tracing is the future, and has been the future for about 40 years now. I for one am excited that the future is almost here. Once cards are fast enough to run it in real time @ 4k 60 fps, it will be worth the wait. But to get to that point, we first need to take steps to get there. This is one of those steps.
Most of the time they post the starting bid, which isn't remotely close to what you'll pay. Annoying that people do that.What version and dimensional universe are these "guys" from? Not this dimension! I have been watching ebay for 1080Ti for the last month. I have seen maybe 3 or 4 cards at $400 and was used as heavy mining cards. Most right now are going for $500-550 period. I am crippled up on workers comp and have nothing but all day to watch these "FABULOUS" prices everyone keeps talking about and no one sees.
Besides, if you are spending $500 bucks on someone else used crap, why not just save an extra $100 and watch the one day sales and get new one for $600. Lowest new one I missed this week was $599! I am getting my black Evga 1080Ti with rewards for just under $600.
P.S. Nope deal was expired, back to 649. Still buying it.
Theres a business meta you're not considering. Theres an opportunity cost to sitting on new cards beyond a carefully calculated crossover point. It's not as black and white as "wait til the channel is empty and only then release". Other problems would arise by delaying longer than necessary.If they were worried about cannibalizing the Pascal cards they wouldn't be releasing them at all right now unless it just a hype paper launch and perhaps trying to force retails hands a bit to ease up on the Pascal generation price gouging.
What version and dimensional universe are these "guys" from? Not this dimension! I have been watching ebay for 1080Ti for the last month. I have seen maybe 3 or 4 cards at $400 and was used as heavy mining cards. Most right now are going for $500-550 period. I am crippled up on workers comp and have nothing but all day to watch these "FABULOUS" prices everyone keeps talking about and no one sees.
Besides, if you are spending $500 bucks on someone else used crap, why not just save an extra $100 and watch the one day sales and get new one for $600. Lowest new one I missed this week was $599! I am getting my black Evga 1080Ti with rewards for just under $600.
P.S. Nope deal was expired, back to 649. Still buying it.
Nvidia is the leader alright... at parting fools with their money...
Was there a second NDA? Link to it?This generation is really losing its luster already and its just due to this marketing BS. Between Toms Paid fluff Piece (takes two to make a fluff piece), the NDA, GPG, need I go on? its just so much shit from Nvidia at ONCE. I think they cocky to think that the absence of AMD meant that everyone would be ok with this attempt at a GPU industry take over.
The performance is there, you can purchase it at your discretion.
You'd be a fool to buy something slower/hotter/louder for the same price.
This generation is really losing its luster already and its just due to this marketing BS. Between Toms Paid fluff Piece (takes two to make a fluff piece), the NDA, GPG, need I go on? its just so much shit from Nvidia at ONCE. I think they cocky to think that the absence of AMD meant that everyone would be ok with this attempt at a GPU industry take over.
If you're using a 3-d light sample, why would you want to soften it with a 2-d pixel avg? A ray traced pixel is way way better. Different orders of magnitude.
Both techs are basically using AI to enhance or direct the rendering process anyways. I'll take the one with the supercomputers backing it please.
AA is basically over rendering 3d-2d then doing a 2d average to produce a pixel.
Hybrid ray-tracing is building each pixel from a top and bottom acceleration structure. It's basically sampling in 3d and averaging in 3d.
Seems wrong to do really expensive 3d calculations, then ruin them with a 2d filter.
If I do not see dedicated ray tracing programs throwing support at this, then that is all I need to know to
Your friend is wrong. It has both on some titles per Nvidia's list.
Comon cheap 1080 TIs. For that sweet, sweet SLI.
Plus a few days. My review site had to get their cards retail.More speculations.... that mean nothing. Please guys wait for the reviews, it's in like 3 weeks..
check the SIGGRAPH stuff for that looks like all the major CAD/ 3D render software will have support for it and it even looks like the major studios re; Disney and Pixar want it yesterday
one demo i found
I preordered a 2080 from Microcenter. No money down, just an email. If the benchmarks turn out good, I'll show up to buy one. If they turn out weak I just call and cancel.