Nvidia's next Gaming GPU is codenamed Turing

It is a currency but what crypto currency (or, in fact, any alternate currency) lacks against 'traditional' currency is a floor of value. For instance, no matter how much collector value an old US Dollar bill holds, it will never drop below 1 USD in value as it's a promissory note from the US Government that it has a value of no lower than 1 USD. Alt-coins are not backed and can be any value, from thousands of dollars per coin to exactly worthless.
 
It is a currency but what crypto currency (or, in fact, any alternate currency) lacks against 'traditional' currency is a floor of value. For instance, no matter how much collector value an old US Dollar bill holds, it will never drop below 1 USD in value as it's a promissory note from the US Government that it has a value of no lower than 1 USD. Alt-coins are not backed and can be any value, from thousands of dollars per coin to exactly worthless.


well the floor of value of currency, also shifts because due to inflation or deflation, which is all based on supply and demand. If the US gov decides to print, digitally or physically, more USD per year then the value drops. This is the same with Cryto, but they are limited by the number and volume of miners. This is why we see the rapid increase and decrease of crypto values, because supply is relatively the same, increases very slowly, but demand can shift freely based on what is going on in the crypto community, there are no controls like interest rates.
 
I was ignoring de/inflation as that doesn't change that a 1 USD is and always will be exactly 1 USD, regardless of what 1 USD happens to purchase. (y)
 
On the other hand, ampere is the unit of measurement for current, a word not far from "currency."
 
It is a currency but what crypto currency (or, in fact, any alternate currency) lacks against 'traditional' currency is a floor of value. For instance, no matter how much collector value an old US Dollar bill holds, it will never drop below 1 USD in value as it's a promissory note from the US Government that it has a value of no lower than 1 USD. Alt-coins are not backed and can be any value, from thousands of dollars per coin to exactly worthless.

WTF? USD can drop to "exactly worthless," too. There's no theoretical bottom. Semantics don't buy bread.
 
Cryptocurrency's failing is still that it has to be equated to fiat when exchanging for goods. You can't just say this video card is worth x BTC. You have to say it's worth $700, which translates into x BTC. In the current market no individual is going to buy a $700 that is worth 0.07 BTC tomorrow for the same amount if the value of that 0.07 BTC gets cut in half.
 
Cryptocurrency's failing is still that it has to be equated to fiat when exchanging for goods. You can't just say this video card is worth x BTC. You have to say it's worth $700, which translates into x BTC. In the current market no individual is going to buy a $700 that is worth 0.07 BTC tomorrow for the same amount if the value of that 0.07 BTC gets cut in half.


That is true, crypto currencies don't have stability, but as versions of it become more widely adopted in various means, commodities, bank to bank transfers, or retail transfers, stability should even out.
 
I was ignoring de/inflation as that doesn't change that a 1 USD is and always will be exactly 1 USD, regardless of what 1 USD happens to purchase. (y)

So, 1 bitcoin doesn't always equal 1 bitcoin? 1 [cryptocurrency here] doesn't always equal 1 of the same? 1 shekel doesn't always equal 1 shekel? 1 [any currency you like] doesn't always equal 1 of the same?

I'm trying to make any kind of sense at all out of your statement, help me out here.
 
There is nothing to understand! Buy a high end GPU to mine, use the bitcoins to buy more stuff from newegg. This is how you buy new stuff without the wife mining your wallet!
 
That is true, crypto currencies don't have stability, but as versions of it become more widely adopted in various means, commodities, bank to bank transfers, or retail transfers, stability should even out.

It gets less adopted, not more. The pyramid scheme was fun tho including the endless scams. However the crowd that closes the party pays the bill.
 
So, 1 bitcoin doesn't always equal 1 bitcoin? 1 [cryptocurrency here] doesn't always equal 1 of the same? 1 shekel doesn't always equal 1 shekel? 1 [any currency you like] doesn't always equal 1 of the same?

I'm trying to make any kind of sense at all out of your statement, help me out here.

1 USD is backed by the US Government. It is legal tender to purchase 1 USD worth of goods and if you walk into a bank and hand them a valid check for cashing out 1 USD, you will get 1 USD.

1 Bitcoin will buy you what, exactly? Nowadays, quite a bit, from any one or any company that will accept Bitcoin as a currency. As it's not legal tender no one has to accept it as a valid currency. You cannot walk into a bank and 'hand over' a bitcoin and demand that they honor the 'value' of that bitcoin. Your bitcoin's value is entirely dependent on what or who decides to use it as a currency.

I'm not entirely sure where your confusion lies.
 
It gets less adopted, not more. The pyramid scheme was fun tho including the endless scams. However the crowd that closes the party pays the bill.


I'm confused, what do you mean by less adopted when more companies, financial institutions are using crypto as another form of transaction?

Well ya always have pyramid schemes in any type of budding markets, just that many people don't know enough about those new markets to make wise decisions are the ones that get caught with their pants down.
 
Disregarding the crypto talk, I'm curious if this is the mythical 4K/60 card we've been hoping for. The 1080ti isn't that far off. The same kind of boost we got from the 980 to the 1080 would definitely do the trick.
 
I have the 1080 but I've definitely been patiently waiting for this in the hopes of stable 4K 60 FPS performance. I mean I have an overclocked and water-cooled 1080 and it play most games at 4K on high or ultra settings, but some games I gotta drop it down to 2K. I really wanna see what these next cards are capable of.

Same. I typically just use the render resolution slider to play most games at 65-75% of 4K (aka. pretty close to 1440p). It'll be nice to play more games at "real" 4K with no FPS drops.
 
1 USD is backed by the US Government. It is legal tender to purchase 1 USD worth of goods and if you walk into a bank and hand them a valid check for cashing out 1 USD, you will get 1 USD.

1 Bitcoin will buy you what, exactly? Nowadays, quite a bit, from any one or any company that will accept Bitcoin as a currency. As it's not legal tender no one has to accept it as a valid currency. You cannot walk into a bank and 'hand over' a bitcoin and demand that they honor the 'value' of that bitcoin. Your bitcoin's value is entirely dependent on what or who decides to use it as a currency.

I'm not entirely sure where your confusion lies.

My confusion lies with what you said that I responded to previously. What I've just quoted here is fine and makes sense.
 
Few miners are going to buy mining only cards as the resale value will be sub-par as compared to a full game card.
Not when mining is excluded at driver level with hardware checks. Nvidia used to only support 10 bit in dx windows before paxwell. This is so you can buy the quadro etc for pro use. Then commercial users can buy commercial cards at commercial prices and gaming users can buy gaming and general desktop cards at the normal price.
 
Not when mining is excluded at driver level with hardware checks. Nvidia used to only support 10 bit in dx windows before paxwell. This is so you can buy the quadro etc for pro use. Then commercial users can buy commercial cards at commercial prices and gaming users can buy gaming and general desktop cards at the normal price.

Driver level checks can be removed, this is why softmodding geforces to quadros was easy to do, nV starting doing board level changes to stop that. Also why nV laser cuts all cut down dies for geforces too, so even bios flashing won't work to unlock those disabled parts.
 
I'm confused, what do you mean by less adopted when more companies, financial institutions are using crypto as another form of transaction?

Well ya always have pyramid schemes in any type of budding markets, just that many people don't know enough about those new markets to make wise decisions are the ones that get caught with their pants down.

List amount of places 1 year ago, list amount of places now. The useless slow transaction speeds for coins is another killer besides the extreme volatile value and based on pure speculation.

What can you actually buy for coins without selling them to a speculant first for real money?
 
Whatever Nvidia decides to role out, bet they won't shoot their own knee. The are $ driven and want to sell as much as possible.

Based on this policy, some possible flavours of cards are more likely, some less. They always understood to take your Dollar, one or the other way.
 
List amount of places 1 year ago, list amount of places now. The useless slow transaction speeds for coins is another killer besides the extreme volatile value and based on pure speculation.

What can you actually buy for coins without selling them to a speculant first for real money?

A house.

Cocaine.

Video cards.

Charities.

College degrees.

Your rent.

Anything at Amazon.

Las Vegas casino hotels.

Lottery tickets.

And depending how loose your mother is with her core values and morals, I could probably buy her too with enough Bitcoin.
 
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Can you buy from Amazon in coins? Maybe I missed that but I cant see it.

The list however is the classical example of a failed currency. A few questionable things and white washing.

https://www.coindesk.com/information/what-can-you-buy-with-bitcoins/

The transaction speed of coins is also so low you couldn´t even keep a small country like Iceland running without huge delays now and then.
 
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List amount of places 1 year ago, list amount of places now. The useless slow transaction speeds for coins is another killer besides the extreme volatile value and based on pure speculation.

What can you actually buy for coins without selling them to a speculant first for real money?


Slow transaction speeds are taken care of now by lightning network, its pretty much a node that increases transaction speeds on the person receiving the funds end. In the past year its really sped up transaction speeds for BTC, for each company that accepts BTC they should do this, as more and more come on line, its just going to get faster.
And this is mainly a BTC problem only, ETH, and many other coins have circumvented the transaction time/cost barrier. This is also the reason for BTC to fork into BTC cash.
 
Somewhat of a circular definition eh?
1 bitcoin will alway = 1 bitcoin. ;)

Yeah he made his point badly, which is what had me all WTF; x=x is pretty simple math. :)

But his point was valid, once he explained what he was getting at.

Anything at Amazon.

That's a lot of things. I want to say Newegg had a Bitcoin option at checkout (last weekend), too.

And depending how loose your mother is with her core values and morals, I could probably buy her too with enough Bitcoin.

No need to drag mothers into this. (I will forgo any low-hanging jokes about me dragging anyone's mom)

The list however is the classical example of a failed currency. A few questionable things and white washing.

Bitcoin may or may not fail; I'm agnostic on any specific currency (a question in my mind would be the vector; is the number of entities that accept it on an up or a down trend, long term?). A Goldman guy recently said BC is a dinosaur and other currencies will replace it, FWIW. But I think cryptocurrency in general is here to stay.
 
I was pissed off at Coin Mining until I realized it's the same things as the futures market. That "market's" entire purpose is buying and selling orders for commodities that don't even exist yet, and running up and down volume to to affect market prices for a fictional item. All to steal other people's money who want in on the betting game.

Once you realize something as stupid as a futures market exists, betting on the new coin-of-the-hour seems a lot more sane. Both have the power to create value out of thin air, and liberate money from people who are stupid.

Wherever there is trading volume, there is the illusion of value. And when the price changes drastically, that's just because real money entered the game. Volume attracts betters with cash.
 
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Hmm have an issue with the name Turing, Turing was the guy that made the enigma machine, cryptography, I think there are Crypto focused cards coming.
 
When the mining bubble bursts, mining-specific cards are going to be paper weights.

What a shitty situation.

Ever heard of the Ageia PhysX PPU?

Was promised to bring us "Holodeck" performance from an add in card.
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Ever heard of CueCat?

Wash Rinse Repeat
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Ever heard of the Ageia PhysX PPU?

Was promised to bring us "Holodeck" performance from an add in card.
2yvummt.jpg


Ever heard of CueCat?

Wash Rinse Repeat
Explore-A-Cat.jpg

Who promised a "Holodeck" experience with the AGEIA PPU?

I might be sligthy drunk on vacation in Vietnam right now...but a false claim is a false claim?
 
Who promised a "Holodeck" experience with the AGEIA PPU?

I might be sligthy drunk on vacation in Vietnam right now...but a false claim is a false claim?

Who?
Ageia's own Manju Hegde, chairman and CEO

We think a game should be like the holodeck,’’ he says, and then modestly adds, “Our chip is the first step toward that. Simulations like fire, smoke, and fog can be ‘aware’ of other aspects of the environment and interact realistically with them, like smoke contained in a room. For example, real smoke rises to the ceiling and collects there, filling the room from the top down, until ultimately spilling out of the windows and drifting on the air currents.”

Source https://www.khronos.org/assets/uploads/news/articles/TechWatch_03-28-05.pdf

"A company called AGEIA has created a product called PHYSX that, much as graphics cards did a decade ago, promises to transform the gaming experience into something that approaches the kind of reality seen only in the Star Trek Holodeck."
Source:
https://www.technewsworld.com/story/41112.html circa 2005
 
Who?
Ageia's own Manju Hegde, chairman and CEO

We think a game should be like the holodeck,’’ he says, and then modestly adds, “Our chip is the first step toward that. Simulations like fire, smoke, and fog can be ‘aware’ of other aspects of the environment and interact realistically with them, like smoke contained in a room. For example, real smoke rises to the ceiling and collects there, filling the room from the top down, until ultimately spilling out of the windows and drifting on the air currents.”

Source https://www.khronos.org/assets/uploads/news/articles/TechWatch_03-28-05.pdf

"A company called AGEIA has created a product called PHYSX that, much as graphics cards did a decade ago, promises to transform the gaming experience into something that approaches the kind of reality seen only in the Star Trek Holodeck."
Source:
https://www.technewsworld.com/story/41112.html circa 2005

Your reading skills are not as good as you think.
Again, who promised a "holodeck" with the PPU?

"first step towards" !=
"approaching" !=

Still waiting for your source?
 
Your reading skills are not as good as you think.
Again, who promised a "holodeck" with the PPU?

"first step towards" !=
"approaching" !=

Still waiting for your source?
Actually it was thrown around quite a lot by Ageia at the time.
That was a quick search for you but there are many on here old enough to remember that shit.

Point is, PPU is a paperweight and nothing more.
 
Actually it was thrown around quite a lot by Ageia at the time.
That was a quick search for you but there are many on here old enough to remember that shit.

Point is, PPU is a paperweight and nothing more.


The PPU was an interesting concept and worked well prior to unified shaders, right now, its better than anything AMD can offer when it comes to physics based on a processor outside of the CPU, even with CPU with AMD's inability to use more than one thread on older API's still gives them problems because the CPU version of PhysX only uses one thread too. Once nV was able to port PhysX SDK over to cuda it killed the need for the PPU specially as GPU's got more CUDA units. nV did notice that the PPU was going to be competition for them and decided it was a good time to buy them out prior to them getting bigger. Cause if they let them go, we all know AMD wouldn't have done anything in the area of physics, even though they started it with the X1x00 line......

Open CL physics engines can't really even get close to matching what a CUDA based PhysX engine can do. The only reason why PhysX hasn't really grown or actually slowed down in growth is because of AMD's console deals, but that is only going to go so far, as AMD keeps falling behind with GPU performance, their console deals are going to be in jeopardy. Yeah people can talk about AMD CPU's and semicostum, nah that won't hold up when they are behind in graphics performance and perf/watt by the amount they are. Right now they are at 30% behind at least in both or one of those categories, its going to get worse with the next gen, much worse. nV can make ARM based CPU's, so they can create an SOC for consoles if they want to. Sony and MS don't give a shit about if its ARM based or x86 or x64 based, just need to have enough CPU power for what they need it to do. And if Jaguar is enough for that right now, nV doesn't need to go too far with CPU performance to reach that at all. We also know backward compatibility isn't on their first and for most things for consoles, its preferable yeah but not necessary, actually its better if its not there from a business standpoint for them, helps them sell more consoles and games, more money.
 
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Actually it was thrown around quite a lot by Ageia at the time.
That was a quick search for you but there are many on here old enough to remember that shit.

Point is, PPU is a paperweight and nothing more.

Point is that it is a false claim...just as I suspected.

Facts rule, FUD sucks.
 
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