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NVIDIA’s Budget Card is All Smoke-and-Mirrors: Here’s Why It’s Selling Out Anyway

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CEO Jensen Huang made a bold claim about NVIDIA’s new GeForce RTX 5070 budget graphics card at CES 2025 that stirred both excitement and skepticism, creating a lightning rod for controversy. Huang hyped the card as a revolutionary breakthrough, touting its ability to deliver next-generation performance at a surprisingly low price of $550 — claims early technical reviews have called into question.

Despite Huang’s claims at CES 2025, benchmark tests show the RTX 5070 barely outpaces last year’s 4070 Super without the heavy assist of DLSS interpolation. Notable tech channels like Gamers Nexus and Linus Tech Tips have criticized NVIDIA for overstating the card’s capabilities, with some reviewers accusing the company of misleading consumers by comparing apples to oranges.

Still, the RTX 5070 is selling out almost immediately, with scalpers demanding nearly double the market price.


https://www.techrepublic.com/articl...Ad_Alibaba&utm_term=daily-tech-insider-active
 
Uh Oh, the usual suspects are going to flood in to this thread to talk about how Nvidia did absolutely nothing that could ever be considered even remotely similar to misleading, and that the 5070 is a very nice product, actually and is offering substantial improvements to Raytracing™ and also perform much faster than the last generation© as long as you don't mention the word super.

Got to defend their financial investments 😱😱😱
 
Anyone who didn't realize that it was only going to be about twice as fast when using twice as many Fake Frames (TM), deserves the heartache that comes from selling their 4070 last week to get out ahead of the "inevitable price drop" and not being able to buy a 5070 for at least 6 months.
 
DanNeely said:
Anyone who didn't realize that it was only going to be about twice as fast when using twice as many Fake Frames (TM), deserves the heartache that comes from selling their 4070 last week to get out ahead of the "inevitable price drop" and not being able to buy a 5070 for at least 6 months.
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I got the feeling by H2 last year that it would be difficult to beat the value of 6800 & 6750xt on AMD side & 4070 ti super on nvidia side
 
philb2 said:
CEO Jensen Huang made a bold claim about NVIDIA’s new GeForce RTX 5070 budget graphics card at CES 2025 that stirred both excitement and skepticism, creating a lightning rod for controversy. Huang hyped the card as a revolutionary breakthrough, touting its ability to deliver next-generation performance at a surprisingly low price of $550 — claims early technical reviews have called into question.

Despite Huang’s claims at CES 2025, benchmark tests show the RTX 5070 barely outpaces last year’s 4070 Super without the heavy assist of DLSS interpolation. Notable tech channels like Gamers Nexus and Linus Tech Tips have criticized NVIDIA for overstating the card’s capabilities, with some reviewers accusing the company of misleading consumers by comparing apples to oranges.

Still, the RTX 5070 is selling out almost immediately, with scalpers demanding nearly double the market price.


https://www.techrepublic.com/articl...Ad_Alibaba&utm_term=daily-tech-insider-active
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Anyone mentioned the same trick they recently tried to pull of with the sales numbers -- with a graph comparing the numbers for entire 5-series (so far) to those of the 4090?
 
I haven't gone thru this article — but the below statement got my attention

https://www-pcgameshardware-de.tran...4/4/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB


The overall overview shows that there are still games that run perfectly with 8 GB, but they are a dying breed. Anyone who wants to use ray tracing will definitely overtax an 8 GB graphics card – not because of the processing power required, but because of the memory requirements. The frame rate differences are gigantic and even produce interesting results in the "RTX 4060 Ti 16GB beats RTX 5070"
 
Gamers are not stupid, and money is tight. they will research and buy the best bang for the buck like they always have for decades. Sure the sales pitch gets them interested but they will read/watch tons on each card.
 
mullet said:
Gamers are not stupid, and money is tight. they will research and buy the best bang for the buck like they always have for decades. Sure the sales pitch gets them interested but they will read/watch tons on each card.
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I spend most of my time in discords helping new people put together builds. New gamers by and large are stupid and will argue with you for hours about how they only want Nvidia.
 
criccio said:
I spend most of my time in discords helping new people put together builds. New gamers by and large are stupid and will argue with you for hours about how they only want Nvidia.
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Are you talking under a hundred people or millions?
 
philb2 said:
CEO Jensen Huang made a bold claim about NVIDIA’s new GeForce RTX 5070 budget graphics card at CES 2025 that stirred both excitement and skepticism, creating a lightning rod for controversy. Huang hyped the card as a revolutionary breakthrough, touting its ability to deliver next-generation performance at a surprisingly low price of $550 — claims early technical reviews have called into question.

Despite Huang’s claims at CES 2025, benchmark tests show the RTX 5070 barely outpaces last year’s 4070 Super without the heavy assist of DLSS interpolation. Notable tech channels like Gamers Nexus and Linus Tech Tips have criticized NVIDIA for overstating the card’s capabilities, with some reviewers accusing the company of misleading consumers by comparing apples to oranges.

Still, the RTX 5070 is selling out almost immediately, with scalpers demanding nearly double the market price.


https://www.techrepublic.com/articl...Ad_Alibaba&utm_term=daily-tech-insider-active
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They've been sitting on shelves around here. Nobody wants a 5070 for over $800.

Also, since when is $550 the "low priced budget" segment? Nice subtle shifting of terminology.
 
Sir Beregond said:
They've been sitting on shelves around here. Nobody wants a 5070 for over $800.

Also, since when is $550 the "low priced budget" segment? Nice subtle shifting of terminology.
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I think terminology has been relatively all over the place. Budget is different for all sorts of people. In my opinion, "low priced budget" is the cheapest card you can buy to play 1080P games at 60FPS. It could mean $250 new, or under $100 used.

How I would sort the classification of cards (not by cost):
Being able to play at 60 FPS in 1080P, 1440P, or 4K.

Low Tier:
1080P 60 FPS

Low to Mid Tier:
1080P 60 FPS to 1440P 30 FPS, or 1440P at 60 FPS upscaled with DLSS or FSR

Mid Tier:
1440P 60 FPS

Mid to High Tier:
1440P 60 FPS to 4K 30 FPS, or 4K at 60 FPS upscaled with DLSS or FSR, plus minor raytracing ability

High Tier:
4K 60 FPS, plus some raytracing ability

S-Tier:
4K 60+ FPS, plus the best raytracing ability
 
I disagree, I think the majority are smart. Sure there will be beginners that are noobs and act like it but they will learn.
 
mullet said:
Gamers are not stupid, and money is tight. they will research and buy the best bang for the buck like they always have for decades. Sure the sales pitch gets them interested but they will read/watch tons on each card.
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You clearly underestimate the number of gamers who just buy whatever the Dell salesman says on the phone.
 
mullet said:
Are you talking under a hundred people or millions?
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Compare the market for subpar prebuilt gaming PCs to DIY and that should answer your question. You’re thinking about this from the perspective of a hobbyist enthusiast. That’s not the majority of the market. Not even close.
 
mullet said:
Gamers are not stupid, and money is tight. they will research and buy the best bang for the buck like they always have for decades. Sure the sales pitch gets them interested but they will read/watch tons on each card.
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No they won't. That is objectively wrong. Provable, factual and abjectly false, without any redeemable or plausible angle to argue.

AMD can have and has had products that are objectively, inarguably, better in every metric, every test and for cheaper (I.E 1050 Ti vs RX570) and Nvidia still outsells AMD 10 to 1.

I'm sorry, but believing that "people do research" is just inviting someone to sell you a bridge.
 
Sir Beregond said:
They've been sitting on shelves around here. Nobody wants a 5070 for over $800.

Also, since when is $550 the "low priced budget" segment? Nice subtle shifting of terminology.
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Historically low end is 50 class, budget is 60 class, mainstream is 70 class, performance is 80 class and extra performance for too much more money is 90 class. $550 is nowhere near budget class pricing. $550 should be performance or at worst higher end mainstream.
 
KazeoHin said:
Nvidia had probably shipped more than 2 million.
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Proof...?

KazeoHin said:
Supply and demand.

Products either sit on the shelf with prices the market is not interested in, or the seller lowers the price until the product seems worth the asking rate.
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Ooor, they could purposely limit supply in order to create viral demand frenzies that lets them sell much lower stock at much higher margins, but that's impossible right?
 
KazeoHin said:
AMD can have and has had products that are objectively, inarguably, better in every metric, every test and for cheaper (I.E 1050 Ti vs RX570) and Nvidia still outsells AMD 10 to 1.
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Nvidia picked up a tonne of mindshare and goodwill during the 9x and 10x series from the good value and more steady drivers, features like 3d vision, physx etc. That made people blind to AMD cards. It was also the Raja days of constant AMD over promising under delivering.

With every generation after, nvidia has been burning that goodwill by being stingy with VRAM and losing old features (gaining new ones as well), selling backdoor to miners and letting AIBs go to town on scalping. If AMD doesn’t come away with >20% market share this year, they’ve done something seriously wrong.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
Proof...?



Ooor, they could purposely limit supply in order to create viral demand frenzies that lets them sell much lower stock at much higher margins, but that's impossible right?
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No... That's...

That's... how you business.

That's the point.... That's the whole idea.

Find a price/manufacturing ratio that maximises profit. That's literally the GOAL of business.

Did... Did you just discover how to capitalism?
 
realise.
zehoo said:
Nvidia picked up a tonne of mindshare and goodwill during the 9x and 10x series from the good value and more steady drivers, features like 3d vision, physx etc. That made people blind to AMD cards. It was also the Raja days of constant AMD over promising under delivering.

With every generation after, nvidia has been burning that goodwill by being stingy with VRAM and losing old features (gaining new ones as well), selling backdoor to miners and letting AIBs go to town on scalping. If AMD doesn’t come away with >20% market share this year, they’ve done something seriously wrong.
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You know that AMD Radeon's marketshare is at the lowest it's ever been... RIGHT NOW?

After Nvidia shipped faulty cards, after they sold directly to miners, after they up charged gamers during mining, after drivers literally bricked cards, after space invaders, after shipping cards with obviously sandbagged VRAM...

After all the terrible shit people accuse Nvidia of, they keep buying them. Nvidia has more than 90% market share in the gaming GPU market RIGHT NOW.

I really want AMD Radeon to do well but they are a follower in an industry of innovation. If every one of their ideas is "oh, wait! Me too!" they will always be a distant 2nd.
 
KazeoHin said:
realise.


You know that AMD Radeon's marketshare is at the lowest it's ever been... RIGHT NOW?

After Nvidia shipped faulty cards, after they sold directly to miners, after they up charged gamers during mining, after drivers literally bricked cards, after space invaders, after shipping cards with obviously sandbagged VRAM...

After all the terrible shit people accuse Nvidia of, they keep buying them. Nvidia has more than 90% market share in the gaming GPU market RIGHT NOW.

I really want AMD Radeon to do well but they are a follower in an industry of innovation. If every one of their ideas is "oh, wait! Me too!" they will always be a distant 2nd.
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Thats because despite alo the bullshit Nvidia pulled, they were still king and AMD was unable to compete. Now that AMD has actually competitive product we'll see what the numbers look like a year from on, provided AMD can produce enough cards at steady pace.
 
KazeoHin said:
No... That's...

That's... how you business.

That's the point.... That's the whole idea.

Find a price/manufacturing ratio that maximises profit. That's literally the GOAL of business.

Did... Did you just discover how to capitalism?
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Is this ideal fucking capitalism?
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/scarcity-principle.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_scarcity

Are you just saying that all of this is just expected and totally okay because Nvidia practically has a monopoly and can thus create artificial scarcity... and that's just what they are expected to and should do in order to maximize margins on the product (fuck the consumer), and that this is just how a free market economy is?

At that point, might as well justify lootboxes and gambling games on mobile platforms, too. People can also get psychologically roped into those, and they make big bank. Must be ethical and okay, right?

At this point there isn't really competition (even AMD was only competition for their release prices, nothing more), so they're free to play psychological games and create artificially inflated demand and deflated supply. In fact, I reckon they've been playing this game for a while, and probably planning this escalation.
 
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emphy said:
Latest gen (90x0 and 50x0 series)? If I recall correctly, over two thirds are amd.
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There was context to my comment. "Lots of people who will only buy nvidia", i don't know how anyone can disagree with.
 
KazeoHin said:
I stand corrected!

I'm quite surprised, tbh, good work on AMD
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Was really surprised by FSR quality modes. To me its a toss up between DLSS 4 and FSR 4.
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KazeoHin said:
No... That's...

That's... how you business.

That's the point.... That's the whole idea.

Find a price/manufacturing ratio that maximises profit. That's literally the GOAL of business.

Did... Did you just discover how to capitalism?
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This is a complete load of shit. It's also corporatism rather than capitalism. The only reason nVidia gets away with this bullshit is because getting into the GPU business has an insanely high barrier of entry. It doesn't hurt nVidia that most gamers are morons and buy into advertising.
 
KazeoHin said:
I'm quite surprised, tbh, good work on AMD
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MLID's brick-and-mortar contacts have said AMD is currently making up about half the market of sold cards this generation, and Intel a third of it or more, both outselling Nvidia.

Now it stands to reason one of AMD's strategies is to focus on brick and mortar sales to make sure gamers get these cards, but there are stores saying since launch their AMD sales of just 9070XT cards are in 30-50x more supply than all of Nvidia's cards combined.

Also, AMDs APUs are in such high demand that they're focusing on the mini PC market while they stockpile enough glass to supply the mainstream laptop and mobile markets. I think HP is the only major manufacturer to announce a Strix Halo PC and it's a SFF workstation, another small market. Asus announced their Strix tablet and that's all I think I've seen so far.

What I'm getting at, is 2025 a *lot* of people will switch to AMD graphics, and it's pretty obvious at this point, Nvidia's fine with that.
 
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