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You have a quote from anyone here that says 8GB is all you need?
Wow, saving this one for later. I'm wagingering it's going to age curddled milk instead of fine wine.
To be fair, the 4070ti WAS going to be the 4080 until we caught Nvidia lying, which would in fact make it technically top tier.
How quick people forget about that heap of junk """4080""" 12gb. Apparently Nvidia thought it was high end enough
No one has forgotten, it's just not the first thing you think of since they haven't had competition. Nothing notable to think about in any of these releases except for the 4090 to be honest.How quick people forget about that heap of junk """4080""" 12gb. Apparently Nvidia thought it was high end enough
Reality is a bit different.
"I'd rather trust a corporation whose sole purpose is to make money off me about why their increased profit margins are due to technical reasons and not desire to make more money off me."
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Funny how you omit 2/3 of that whole statement to do what exactly? Make fun of me? Call me a shill? What?
Their biggest innovations lately are how to give as little as possible for as much as possible, while justifying it with meaningless techno babble. Uncontested leaders on that front. Do continue to support that if you want, I'd rather call them out on BS and put my money elsewhere.
Well since you think 8GB is enough then I guess we aren't debating. Thanks for agreeing.
In no world is fixing a bug considered an optimization. Also you're describing every game release for the past 20 years or so. That's nothing new.
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AMD is competing fairly well, though with slightly lower prices and slightly faster performance. Which for many people isn't enough to deter them from buying Nvidia. It does have a lot to do with drivers, features, and etc which really don't matter, but a lot of people here will tell you that DLSS is fantastic even though it reduces image quality.
Great for shareholders but bad for consumers. That's why AI. AI AI AI.
AMD didn't give a shit because up until now they were riding Nvidia's shadow and it worked for them. Because of the several years of crypto, AMD would bank on high return GPU's because of the demand. The math worked out that if AMD were to compete against Nvidia, then it would lower prices. It was better that AMD matched those prices, and ride the crypto train because a GPU that costed AMD $200 to manufacturer was selling for $1k. That's over and now AMD has to seriously think about capturing market share.
I'm hoping for Intel's next graphics card to be substantially better.
So… AI based Frame Generation, Shader Execution Reordering, Opacity Micro-maps, and Reflex aren’t innovating… and is giving very little?
I have said no such thing. Your post here is about the lowest IQ post I've had the displeasure of replying to. I won't be entertaining moronic messages like this again.
Not as much as you would like to believe. AMD sells the equivalent of couch change in comparison to Nvidia, no matter what metric you use. So, no, not really. They are competitive enough to keep the lights on in the GPU department.
Figured. LOL. Thank God. Please continue to argue for less ram because nVidia. Who TF argues for less at higher prices? Satan? At least we know there's nothing that nVidia can't make y'all do. How anti-consumer are you? At least with the ray-tracing argument you're at least getting something (not much but something). With this argument you have every nVidia shill trying to convince everyone that the REAL problem is "lazy developers".
Yep and this is also the reason Valve is enabling FSR across the board for Steam Deck certified titles.
Again, I have said no such thing. Do not put words in my mouth I have not said. Your trolling is getting out of hand and is neither wanted nor welcome. Stop.
Oh, so upscaling is fine for AMD but not dlss for nvidia. Right.......
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Oh, so upscaling is fine for AMD but not dlss for nvidia. Right.......
Both of them can get stuffed currently. The current landscape is bleh as far as I'm concerned. The techtubers can also get stuffed for that matter; the garbage they are releasing as either content or worse, as journalism in the last weeks has been eye rolling.
Huh? FSR looks great in the latest Zelda game want to talk about it? Are you allowed to?Oh, so upscaling is fine for AMD but not dlss for nvidia. Right.......
Do you sit across from their desk? OSHA says you get a 15 min break every 4 hours. So i'm glad ZB is taking advantage of that, thus allowing you one last anti-consumer quip. Either way I don't believe I made anything up. nVidia corrected the record on VRAM and thank god they did. Once your nVidia slack channel updates you'll be in line with their latest PR release and won't that be great for everyone?
AMD certainly needs to up their game when it comes to graphics. Right now if you wanted to buy a graphics card from AMD vs Nvidia, it's actually a hard choice. For example the RTX 4070 is $600, has 12GB and in most titles is slower than a RX 6950 XT except when Ray-Tracing is enabled. The RX 6950 XT is $600 has 16GB of VRAM, and is faster overall but not with Ray-Tracing. AMD might have better performance in the long term, but does that long term include Ray-Tracing? Unless AMD magically increases their Ray-Tracing performance, a lot of people would go Nvidia due to familiarity.
DLSS and FSR are trash technologies. Their purpose is to increase gaming performance without lowering image quality "noticeably". DLSS maybe the least trash of these upscalers, but it is still trash because it still lowers image quality. DLSS is the most problematic of these trash technologies because it is not only exclusive to Nvidia, but soon DLSS3 is only for RTX 40 series. Again, if you're using DLSS or FSR then your graphics card isn't capable of performing. I use FSR for games like God of War and Spiderman but that's on a R9 Fury and RX 480 running Linux. You shouldn't need DLSS on a RTX 40 series GPU, other than Ray-Tracing.Oh, so upscaling is fine for AMD but not dlss for nvidia. Right.......
You doubt Nvidia's greed?
You're spewing out techno babble without knowing what any of it means. Yes Nvidia gaming GPU's and workstation GPU's have little difference, but that's not justification for not putting in enough VRAM. Also the RTX 4090 has 24GB of VRAM, so I don't see you're point.
Intel's A770 has 16GB, so there goes Nvidia's sales. AMD's RX 6800's and up have 16GB, so there really goes Nvidia's workstation sales. If professionals bought graphic cards entirely based on VRAM, then Nvidia has been fucked for a while.
What 4080 sales? You see 4080's selling? Also, why isn't the GPU's performance enough to sell? Stop defending Nvidia already.
You really can't think of a better reason? Arkarms razor not kicking in for you?
FSR means you can play Diablo IV (for example) on Intel integrated Xe without stuttering, and with details turned down. I spent the Server Slam weekend playing it on an i5-1235U mini PC (instead of my normal gaming PC) to see how it would work and it was perfectly playable.
Never said they weren't greedy, but, so is AMD. They aren't some magical white knight saving the day with $800-$1000 offerings, and an 8GB entry level GPU. I don't mind them being greedy, since, y'know, that's how businesses operate and stay successful. Businesses aren't there to be our friends, they're there to take our money, plain and simple. Anyone who think's Nvidia or AMD should be offering low prices on luxury items "otherwise they're greedy" obviously live in la-la land.
How is it not justified? Simply put, the 4090 is the closest thing to that on the consumer side as one could get, and it's mainly because of the VRAM/Bus-width. If people could get away with it, they'd be doing some content creation on a 4070Ti, but considering its memory bus and VRAM capacity it's a no-go for anything serious, but if they could then there would probably be less demand for 4090's.
I didn't say they did, but I figure it wasn't implied with mentioning CUDA cores and it being common knowledge that Nvidia cards are just flat out better than anything AMD has... every major professional/workstation application scales extremely well with CUDA, making even cards like a 4070 a better content creation card than even a 7900XTX, the point of the VRAM comment was to point out that yes, VRAM and memory bus are king, pair a decent memory bus with a decent amount of VRAM even on a mid-range Nvidia GPU and I can almost guarantee a lot of professionals would probably eye-ball it as a cheap alternative to Nvidia's workstation GPUs, that also doubles up as a very capable gaming card.
Lack of VRAM in the 3080 was a key component in my decision to switch to AMD from only buying nvidia cards for my gaming machine since the riva128. Combined with the inability to find cards at msrp.
See, I can at least respect the openness from an actual shareholder, lol. From a pure consumer? It's just weird.
If AMD offered $200 and lower graphic cards with 8GB of VRAM then that's fine because it's entry level. Even though back in the day it was common to put a lot of VRAM on cheap cards to entice customers because VRAM is cheap and consumers used to buy based on the amount of VRAM. RTX 4060 is not entry level, but a mid range product.
The only reason they aren't low priced is because of the past several years of crypto. Also I wouldn't call these luxury items but instead toys, as they're mostly used for playing video games.
The 4090 is in demand because it's the fastest, and there are people who spend any amount of money on the fastest GPU. Offering a 4070Ti with 24GB of VRAM won't deter people from buying a 4090. It's the reason why nobody bought a 4080 even though it has 16GB of VRAM.
How does CUDA cores play into this?
AMD's lack of professional performance has more to do with their drivers. On Linux for example AMD's ROCM is just shit. This is why for productivity AMD hasn't been a good choice. But the reason a professional buys Nvidia's workstation cards over gaming cards is for stability. The idea is that workstation cards have been verified and tested that nothing would go wrong. Not that people haven't figured out the gaming cards and workstation cards are the same and Nvidia has put in methods to block people from buying gaming cards for productivity. Try running an Nvidia card in a VM and see how badly it goes.
Greed. Planned obsolescence. Product segmentation.
The problem is Nvidia is selling higher performing GPU's with low amounts of VRAM that limit their performance. You can't exactly go and buy more VRAM and add it to the GPU like you can with a CPU.
You're giving consumers way too much credit. To give you an idea how nafarious Nvidia has been, they will often take advantage of consumers inability to read, reserach, and make good purchasing decisions. For example the GTX 970 4GB had only 3GB of working VRAM. GTX 1030 also had a DD4 version that was massively slower. GTX 1060 has a 3GB version that is also slower, not just lower VRAM. And of course there's an 8GB RTX 3060 that is slower than the 12GB RTX 3060. The reason this is nefarious is because most people would Google 1030, 1060, 3060, and find lots of reviews on the faster models. Then go on Amazon or NewEgg and buy the cheapest cards they can find, only to be saddled with a vastly slower 1030 with DDR4, and slower 1060 with 3GB, and a slower 3060 with 8GB, because Nvidia hardly announces the release of these cards and reviewers hardly review them.
Better than you do apparently. Some of us have been around long enough to remember like Peppridge farm remembers.
Guess we'll never know since, oh wait they're also making a 4060Ti 16GB model. We can just simply test it and see if 16GB makes a difference. How much you wanna bet it will?
You mean 2-3 minutes because 8GB isn't enough for a lot of new titles now at 1080p.
That really depends on which direction developers go with Ray-Tracing. With UE5 and Lumens we might see AMD compete with Ray-Tracing, but without Ray-Tracing I can see AMD cards lasting much longer. Especially when new demanding games either don't come with Ray-Tracing, or come with very limited Ray-Tracing.
