Nvidia to demonstrate Kepler at PDXLAN this Friday

sdlvx said:
Yeah, and my point is that GK104 is NV's second place single GPU option too. Unless I'm mistaken but there is no GK103/GK102/GK101.
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Presumably, they will have two GK110 based parts, just like they have 2 GF110 parts (GTX 580 and GTX 570).

Edit: What MavericK96 said.
 
sdlvx said:
Yeah, and my point is that GK104 is NV's second place single GPU option too. Unless I'm mistaken but there is no GK103/GK102/GK101.
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You are mistaken. There are more than one SKU for every die. GTX560_448/570/580 for GF110. GTX560, 560Ti for GF114. GT545/GTX550Ti for GF116 and so on.

There will be more than one chip for GK110, probably two. So GK104 will be Nvidias third place option.
 
MavericK96 said:
I guess I'm confused about what you're saying. You just said the 7950 was the "third" but now you're saying the GK104 is "NV's second place option too".

I think the point others are trying to make is that the GK104 is likely going to be the third option behind two GK110s, kind of like the current 500 series offerings. The 560 Ti is a GF114 whereas the 570 and 580 are both GF110 parts.

And actually, the third place Tahiti chip will likely be a 7890 or something similar.
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What I'm saying is that as far as single chips go, AMD has the 7970 and 7950, NV has 670 and 680. It was claimed that GK104/GTX 670 would compete with 7950, and that 7950 was AMD's second tier single solution while GTX 670 is NV's third tier single chip solution.

GTX 670 is only third tier when counting the dual GPU card (if it exists). 7950 is only the third tier when counting the 7990. Either 7950 and GTX 670 are second tier (if you exclude dualies) or they are third tier (if you count dualies).

GTX 670 is also supposed to be slower than 7950 according to the latest leak calling GK104 GTX 670 ti.
 
boxleitnerb said:
You are mistaken. There are more than one SKU for every die. GTX560_448/570/580 for GF110. GTX560, 560Ti for GF114. GT545/GTX550Ti for GF116 and so on.

There will be more than one chip for GK110, probably two. So GK104 will be Nvidias third place option.
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How dare you question his guess with your own guess! :D
 
sdlvx said:
What I'm saying is that as far as single chips go, AMD has the 7970 and 7950, NV has 670 and 680. It was claimed that GK104/GTX 670 would compete with 7950, and that 7950 was AMD's second tier single solution while GTX 670 is NV's third tier single chip solution.

GTX 670 is only third tier when counting the dual GPU card (if it exists). 7950 is only the third tier when counting the 7990. Either 7950 and GTX 670 are second tier (if you exclude dualies) or they are third tier (if you count dualies).

GTX 670 is also supposed to be slower than 7950 according to the latest leak calling GK104 GTX 670 ti.
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Okay, but this is what you said:

sdlvx said:
I'm also unsure if you're unaware of this but 7950 is not the second place chip, it's the third
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And now you are saying it is.
 
sdlvx said:
What I'm saying is that as far as single chips go, AMD has the 7970 and 7950, NV has 670 and 680. It was claimed that GK104/GTX 670 would compete with 7950, and that 7950 was AMD's second tier single solution while GTX 670 is NV's third tier single chip solution.

GTX 670 is only third tier when counting the dual GPU card (if it exists). 7950 is only the third tier when counting the 7990. Either 7950 and GTX 670 are second tier (if you exclude dualies) or they are third tier (if you count dualies).

GTX 670 is also supposed to be slower than 7950 according to the latest leak calling GK104 GTX 670 ti.
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The problem is that (according to the rumors) Nvidia is muddying the waters by changing the naming scheme. The new chip coming out *should* be the 660 Ti based on the old naming scheme - the top end card from the second place chip, just like the 6870 was for AMD. Then they would have a GTX 570 (low-end card from top-end chip) and the GTX 680 (top end card from top end chip), and then you'd have the dual-chip cards for both.

Just like AMD, Nvidia normally has two cards per chip (6970, 6950, 6870, 6850 - GTX 580, GTX 570, GTX 560 Ti, GTX 560). It will be interesting to see what tthe naming change (if true) means. Perhaps the rumor of a single-chip GTX 690 is true after all, and that'll be what the GTX 580 was this time around. I'm wondering if this is a pricing move, since they could charge more for the "GTX 670" than they could for the "GTX 660".
 
Gee...........I wonder who's going to win the World Series?

About as much speculation as is in this 20 page spec-u-lathon.

Why not just wait until they release something?:eek:
 
GoldenTiger said:
What fun would that be? :)
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Exactly, I happen to enjoy speculating and discussing hardware rumors. We are close to launch some of these rumors are bound to be accurate and there are some good deals on last gen hardware floating around. Should I wait?

Why even open a thread about people speculating about Kepler if you aren't interested either. I always get a kick out of those comments.
 
I heard they had a kepler machine ready to go but somebody stole it :eek:
 
magoo said:
Gee...........I wonder who's going to win the World Series?

About as much speculation as is in this 20 page spec-u-lathon.

Why not just wait until they release something?:eek:
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Fix your page options, we are only at 10 pages and this is just getting exciting... ;)
 
Cannot wait for reviews. Hopefully the cards will have better thermal output. Team Green has been too hot and too loud for too long.
 
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sdlvx said:
What I'm saying is that as far as single chips go, AMD has the 7970 and 7950, NV has 670 and 680. It was claimed that GK104/GTX 670 would compete with 7950, and that 7950 was AMD's second tier single solution while GTX 670 is NV's third tier single chip solution.

GTX 670 is only third tier when counting the dual GPU card (if it exists). 7950 is only the third tier when counting the 7990. Either 7950 and GTX 670 are second tier (if you exclude dualies) or they are third tier (if you count dualies).

GTX 670 is also supposed to be slower than 7950 according to the latest leak calling GK104 GTX 670 ti.
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GK104 is the mid range chip. 670ti is the top GK104 part, with 660 etc also salvaged from GK104. When they produce chips, any with defective parts are sold as lower class models. Think GTX580 and GTX570. They are made from the same chip, but 570 is a salvaged defective 580 part.
Defective parts are unavoidable during production, and is why there are so many models.. instead of throwing them in the bin, they salvage them, call them a lower model and sell them for less money.

Nvidia will release GK110 and produce more than one part from it. There will be a high end part, perhaps called the GTX685, and presumably a defective salvaged part called the GTX680. Or they might name the high end part GTX680, with the defective part called GTX675, etc.
 
demowhc said:
GK104 is the mid range chip. 670ti is the top GK104 part, with 660 etc also salvaged from GK104. When they produce chips, any with defective parts are sold as lower class models. Think GTX580 and GTX570. They are made from the same chip, but 570 is a salvaged defective 580 part.
Defective parts are unavoidable during production, and is why there are so many models.. instead of throwing them in the bin, they salvage them, call them a lower model and sell them for less money.

Nvidia will release GK110 and produce more than one part from it. There will be a high end part, perhaps called the GTX685, and presumably a defective salvaged part called the GTX680. Or they might name the high end part GTX680, with the defective part called GTX675, etc.
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I have a feeling it may be more along the lines of the GTX670 Ti now and then in the future the GK110 will be released as a GTX780 to give the perceived notion of it being a new generation chip.. They did the same thing when Fermi was sevierly delayed by skipping the 3xx series (or making lower end parts the 3xx series)..

i mean they can always come back in and fill the GTX680 with a lower end part or even leave it as it is.

its kindof a marketing game where if you are late to the game you just try and up the number
 
demowhc said:
GK104 is the mid range chip. 670ti is the top GK104 part, with 660 etc also salvaged from GK104. When they produce chips, any with defective parts are sold as lower class models. Think GTX580 and GTX570. They are made from the same chip, but 570 is a salvaged defective 580 part.
Defective parts are unavoidable during production, and is why there are so many models.. instead of throwing them in the bin, they salvage them, call them a lower model and sell them for less money.

Nvidia will release GK110 and produce more than one part from it. There will be a high end part, perhaps called the GTX685, and presumably a defective salvaged part called the GTX680. Or they might name the high end part GTX680, with the defective part called GTX675, etc.
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Yeah, I came back and reflected on this and I kind of derped out. But, I don't think the actual class of chip matters. GTX 560 is a smaller Fermi while GTX 580 is a bigger Fermi, right?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=305

The problem is that the GTX 580 is only about 30% faster than the GTX 560 Ti.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/01/30/amd_radeon_hd_7950_video_card_review/8

A stock 7970 is about 15-20% faster than a stock 7970. Considering that a GTX 670 Ti is going to fill the role of GTX 560 Ti, and the GTX 580 is 30% faster, it's probably safe to assume that the GTX 680/780 is going to be about 30% faster than the GTX 670 Ti. It should actually put the both of them pretty close considering the GTX 670 Ti is going to be slower than a 7950. It's all going to depend on if the big GK is going to overclock well or not.
 
H-street said:
I have a feeling it may be more along the lines of the GTX670 Ti now and then in the future the GK110 will be released as a GTX780 to give the perceived notion of it being a new generation chip.. They did the same thing when Fermi was sevierly delayed by skipping the 3xx series (or making lower end parts the 3xx series)..

i mean they can always come back in and fill the GTX680 with a lower end part or even leave it as it is.

its kindof a marketing game where if you are late to the game you just try and up the number
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They didn't skip 3xx, they just made it OEM-only and it was re-used older tech. I imagine the new parts will be GTX 6xx, I dont think we will see GTX 7xx for a while. Could be totally wrong on that though!
 
All I care about right now is getting some accurate specs and pricing on the 670 Ti, and some kind of timeframe.

I'm selling my shader unlocker 6950 2GB within the next month and NEED to know what kind of plans to make for its replacement.

The 6950 was my first ATI in a loooong time and I'd like to go back to Nvidia on general principle this time around but there needs to be a card available.

I like to run modded games such as Skyrim, Oblivion, Warband, etc... and 2GB on-card is a minimum for me now. Problem is even though ATI is delivering 3GB on the 7950, the price tags are simply so high they are automatically on my no-buy list. They aren't an option at that price no matter how bad I want one.

If the 670 Ti has 2GB, decent performance, and will be out in the next 30-60 days or so and costs under $375 I'll do it.
 
Advil said:
If the 670 Ti has 2GB, decent performance, and will be out in the next 30-60 days or so and costs under $375 I'll do it.
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A lot of ifs. More than likely all will come to pass with the time restriction being possible holdout
 
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