Nvidia to adopt Samsung 7nm EUV process in next-gen GPU production

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    uh oh, gonna piss off TSMC
     
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    Good source, but unfortunately it's pay walled.
     
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    Yeah, not sure why people link those type.
     
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    They can step up or step off
     
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    I always felt this was coming. I think TSMC has a strong demand of 7nm and given how strong their relationship is with AMD now with pumping out EPYC and AMD GPUs its was only a matter of time before Nvidia went elsewhere. They are going to be making many many more CPUs given how popular EPYC rome series already is before full release. TSMC is loaded right now. I also do think AMD is next in line to actually leverage samsung as well given their relationship with samsung. Wont be surprised if they start making come chips at samsung down the road if they get even more demand for server CPUs.
     
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    TSMC is at capacity for their 7nm fabs, I doubt they even have room for nVidia at this stage so I doubt they are upset overly much.
     
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    Not really. They get just as much wrong as right. I remember a great many Apple "reports" that were completely wrong.
     
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    Somewhat surprising, given AMD and Samsung just reached a tech sharing agreement. I'd assumed this meant AMD would use Samsung's process, while Nvidia was a TSMC client.
     
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    Nope, because Samsung is getting a license to AMD tech, not producing AMD chips. nvidia is producing chips in Samsung fabs, not licensing their (nvidia's) tech.
     
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    Very likely, both companies will be using both foundries (with AMD also using Global Foundries for some stuff too).
     
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    Exactly, if you can .. you should of course use more than one foundry... In case of floods or whatevers. Being a big company and using one foundry is not ideal.
     
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    But then you get a skyrocket of CPU returns which is bad for us at Newegg. Not good.
     
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    How does this follow?
     
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    Because then people will return their cpus if they were made in a certain country because one is marginally better.
     
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    Right, this has been rumored for the last six months, because Samsung supposedly has a more mature EUV 7nmn process (which is when you start to see significant improvement over12 nm, not the standard 7nm).

    https://www.extremetech.com/computing/283241-nvidia-may-tap-samsung-for-7nm-ampere-arrives-in-2020

    That is why Nvidia has completely skipped TSMC 7nm. They have large demands that need to be filled.
     
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    TSMC is going to have 7nm EUV just fine and before Samsung or at the same time at worst. TSMC is doing just fine with 7nm as well, they got more than enough demand and NVIDIA didn’t really have a choice but go to Samsung. And their architecture gave them the leg up and didn’t need 7nm. AMD is going 7nm EUV next year as well. I think big Navi might be their first GPU on that.
     
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    Aren’t the processes functionally different enough to the point that a CPU taped out on one isn’t going to be easily taped out on another?

    Uhh to my knowledge Samsung is already producing 7nm EUV (last fall) and is working on the shrink to 5nm EUV. TSMC from what I just read may ramp up their 7nm EUV this month.

    Granted 8 months later isn’t horrible, but it’s not exactly at the same time.
     
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    From what I read. Samsung was doing 7nm EUV LPP mass production which is basically low powered design starting last october. I don't think they are producing any bigger chips right now. That is likely going be next year with Nvidia. TSMC already has 5nm EUV risk production going on as well. Samsung will be just fine but I do think you will see TSMC products likely be little ahead as are fairly good about their target dates and so on.

    I am pretty confident you are going to see 7nm EUV products next year from AMD/TSMC. Either at the same time of before Nvidia.
     
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