Nvidia SUPER Refresh: Faster 2060, 2070, 2080, Faster GDDR6 and $100 Off

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  1. snowcrash

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    I want to say something but just can't come up with words. This is apparently what happens to people when they are continuously and factually treated as inferior human being. The venom that AMD supporters spout off year after year is just scary. It's like there is not an ounce of humility at all.
     
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  2. TheSmJ

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    At the start of the BTM/VHS format war the max recording time was 60 minutes at BI (highest quality) speed. The war was largely over once the longer tapes became available, but even those could only hit 100 minutes at BI.

    Then there was also the cost of the cassettes themselves being a lot higher than VHS.
     
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    Factum [H]ard|Gawd

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    Someone needs a history lesson:
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    Part 2 :
     
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  4. Derangel

    Derangel [H]ard as it Gets

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    What you neglect to mention is that this chart comes directly from WCCFTech, not exactly the most reliable source for "leaks".
     
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  5. odditory

    odditory [H]ardness Supreme

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    Thus the disclaimer "if this turns out to be accurate". How dare you! OMG!
     
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  7. Snowdog

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    Quoting myself as early on I stated, we wouldn't get improved cards and a price cut on them, now WCCF is reporting prices for Super cards will be Founder pricing for 2080 and 2070 and $70 price increase on 2060:

    https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-super-graphics-cards-msrp-leaked/

    RTX 2080 SUPER $799 MSRP,
    RTX 2070 SUPER $599 MSRP
    RTX 2060 SUPER for $429 MSRP

    In contrast with first rumors, these (sadly) actually seem realistic. 2060 is most improved and I kind of expected a price increase there.

    If these are the prices for AIB models as well, then AMD has little to fear. Wiht 5700XT Undercutting 2070 by $150. 2060 pricing is still close, so we will have to see reviews to see how much faster (if any) 5700 Pro is over 2060.
     
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  8. lightsout

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    I feared this as well. Makes much more sense wit h nvidia. Sucks nothing changed in the $250-300 range. But makes sense with AMDs offerings.

    Although I have a hard time seeing how amd undercut the 2070 by $150? Msrp is a moot point at this point. Especially with a new card launching at that price. I can get a 2070 right now on Amazon right now. What matters now is current pricing.
     
  9. Snowdog

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    I was just talking Super cards. So undercut 2070 Super, not the current version.
     
  10. Gideon

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    Nvidia is not cutting the prices, they think they own the market and could care less if you dont like it. Also AMD doesnt mind the pricing as long as they sell everything they make so neither is interested in a price war, just a war of words.
     
  11. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

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    Can we please stop giving WCCF Tech attention, FFS?
     
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  12. odditory

    odditory [H]ardness Supreme

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    5700XT won't be undercutting anything. 2070 non-super will be cheaper than 5700XT and beat it at 99% of games. 5700XT is not in 2070 Super's league.

    And you won't be able to get 5700XT at MSRP thanks to scalpers and retail gouging for fanboys willing to overpay.
     
  13. kirbyrj

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    Funny how a "midrange" graphics card is now $429.
     
  14. DeChache

    DeChache The ONE - Your Ignorance Annoys Me

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    Funny how you already know this....
     
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  15. Gideon

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    His posts might show a slight bias for one company :)
     
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    ...I guess those early adopters are going to have a field day when these things launch...then again they might start selling their non-supers to fund more Supers for the future :)
     
  17. odditory

    odditory [H]ardness Supreme

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    Read what I was replying to. We're taking statements on a rumor site at face value for the sake of entertaining discussion. Nobody knows anything until official announcements.
     
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  18. Snowdog

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    Which rumor said "2070 non-super will be cheaper than 5700XT and beat it at 99% of games"

    Because I think it is your performance claim they were addressing.

    According to AMD, 5700XT would be ahead in the majority of game, and until that gets 3rd party tested/reviewed, that is the best info we have.
     
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    Let's back up here. Your very first statement was "Wiht 5700XT Undercutting 2070 by $150. " You were referring to 2070 Super, yes? It'll be a rebadged 2080 and thus the 5700XT isn't in the same league, so I wasn't sure why you think its undercutting a chip it won't keep up with.

    And there's the problem -- according to AMD. I suspect 5700XT and 2070 Regular will be neck-and-neck in independent benchmarks. And 2070 Regular will continue to be ready available far cheaper than 5700XT MSRP.
     
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    Well that is quite a shift in goalposts. You specifically said the regular 2070 would beat the 5700XT in 99% of games, now you claim, neck-and-neck.

    It was the 99% win for 2070 that drew the comments.
     
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    I realize now after looking at AMDs 5700XT benchmarks that it was said in haste. I shouldn't have said 2070 beats it in 99% of games. However I suspect it'll beat it in a good number of them when benchmarked independently.

    However I'm still not sure what the value proposition to the 5700XT will be once the 2070 Regular gets a price drop, given they're so close in performance - and I have to believe the 2070 has more OC headroom and thus will beat 5700XT when both cards are run maxed out.
     
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  22. Ranulfo

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    It does 1440p now though! ;)
     
  23. Krenum

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    Shhh, do you hear that?

    Its the sound of Nvidia sucking the dollar bills from your wallet.
     
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  24. Comixbooks

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    How rich to do these companies need to be in order to be valid? I don't think Nvidia has anything in the pipe line as far as next gen cards so doing a refresh with faster memory only makes sense. The CPU market has been in a standstill since like 2011 pretty soon the GPU market will be the same way.
     
  25. Derangel

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    Big corps want all the money ever and if they get that they'll still want more.
     
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    Still a SUPER pass for me.

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  27. Auer

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    Nah, got our moneys worth by now. I'm fine until the 3000 whatever series shows up.
     
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  28. NickJames

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    This was their plan from the beginning and we knew it. They jacked up the cost of all their high end shit to ridiculous levels which now makes these prices seem normal in comparison.
     
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    I know it's weak man. And we're basically over it. What can you do except not buy. But things aren't going backwards. Only thing that could really change things would be super competition (no pun intended) from AMD and an ensuing price war. But I'd be surprised even then if some sort of price fixing wasn't involved.
     
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    And it isn't like we can expect Intel to bring a new GPU to market and place it price/performance wise halfway down from AMD and nVidia... no they will jack their price up too. They will find the price/performance number for AMD's current stuff, tack on 20% and call it good. The competition will hopefully help a little bit, but I think it's wishful thinking that a strong GPU will ever be below $500 again...
     
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    That's exactly what I'm doing. Not buying... I can "suffer" without a 4k monitor just to avoid paying a $500 RTX tax over the previous gen. I'm hoping Intel is successful with their video card. 3 players is better than 2 in keeping pricing down for the consumer.

    Also, RTX 2070's aren't sub $450 yet, so there's that going for the 5700XT. Sure you can get a low end one with a coupon and a rebate down around $450, but most of the mid-range versions with decent cooling are $500+ still. Sounds like the "Super" version is going to be $599.
     
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  32. Derangel

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    Prices won't go down that far. Even if all three can compete on an even level across all segments (they won't) prices are not going to go back down to previous levels. Whoever is in charge will jack up prices and the other companies will react to that. AMD and Nvidia have both done this over the years and there is no way Intel will do any different.
     
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    Agree with this, and this is probably why Nvidia is pushing ray tracing to increase the GPU load of future games.
    Am hoping game streaming such as google stadia and Nvidia Now actually improve so we won't have to spend $500 for mid-range performance
     
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    It will get to the point where the market won't bear a price increase. Look at consoles. I'm sure Sony and Microsoft would love to sell their consoles at $700 but they know that the market won't bear that price. I think you're seeing that already with the lack of sales of RTX cards over previous generations.
     
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    Don’t worry, bitcoin is shooting up again, soon finding a graphics card will not be a concern for gamers - there will be none available. BwuahahhahahhahaHAHAHAHAHAHH


    I agree in general RT was added to avoid the market getting stagnant. nVidia still has yet to move to 7nm. Not sure how feasible it is for them to brute force past their girthy 754mm^2 current chip with a node change alone.
     
  36. tangoseal

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    lol haha

    I agree with all 3 statements you made Idiotincharge, though there are times that I feel RTX is useless, it would appear that I have been wrong because all these new Indie and AAA titles coming out are announcing full support so I think, yes, I now agree that RTX cores are worth it.
     
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    LOL you think those companies are your friends? youll be paying $500 a YEAR by the time they are through with you. the ultimate DRM- where the games arent even installed.
     
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    Launch schedule for Super cards: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-super-series-graphics-cards-launch-date/

     
  39. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

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    So first the announcement was today, and now it's July 2?
     
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    Nooooo just bought a used 2070 FE for 450$ here on the forum a few days ago :(