Nvidia has "Unlaunched" the RTX 4080 12GB

I'm surprised they listened. We won't see a 4070 anytime soon. Of course good sales on the insanely stupidly priced 4090 probably convinced them they can skip the 4070 for now and just sell off 3000 stock. They are having their cake and eating it too... which sucks. lol
 
Honestly, I am surprised, but after the online backlash I am sure somebody in a board room was reminded of the 970 3.5GB fiasco and the lawsuits that came from that and they didn't want the headache when it is easily fixed with the change of a single number on a bit of box art and "Find and Replace" command on some website CMSs.
 
LOL....I will say this is the right move. Just release it later and call it the 4070ti.
 
I really hope they haven't shipped any 4080/12gb chipsets to partners yet. Can you imagine of Asus or Gigabyte already has a bunch of these made?
 
If they were already packaged wow that will cost some $. Hope Nvidia gives them a little back for the hassle. No wonder EVGA said nope not doing this anymore.
 
bruh...
Anyways, nice to see that Nvidia can own mistakes.
But still, how in the freaking world was the "4080" 12GB even ok'd in marketing? They must think their average consumer looking for a card in the $900 range is a complete idiot, which sadly I would believe too.
All the tech media outlets rightfully trashed the heck out of the 4080 12GB.
Nice to see we can keep Nvidia in check for some things...
 
Rephrase Nvidia statement "So, we’re pressing the “unlaunch” 'don't be a dick' button on the 4080 12GB", lol

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I was 100% right about 3080 vs 4080 12GB being == performance @ the same clocks.
lol.
lmao.

4090 is < 2x performance > 2 yrs later for > 2x the price i bought my 3080 for.
The others are even worse.
 
Copy/pasting from the other thread.

$700 for a **70 is still crazy, even if this is relaunched as a "4070". Needs to be around $500.

It is also 24-30% slower than the 16GB.

Typically the **70 is closer to around 20-24% slower than the **80 if I am not mistaken.

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So if we're looking at 24-30% slower, this is a weak entry for a **70 as it is. Even if they rename this to a "4070", it will still be fairly lackluster, and it would absolutely need to be $500 or less. The 4080 12GB is more like a "4060ti" or "4060 Super" in terms of performance from the looks of things.
 
Brackle said:
Correct, and we now know Nvidia doesn’t give a shit about aib’s. EVGA is looking smarter and smarter now lol
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What's Nvidia's alternative? Not sell a mid-series card that destroys the previous top end for what could be much less money?
AIBs made their bed, they sold to miners direct, they over-ordered, and they generated the massive excess of cards flooding the market.
Nvidia is now just doing what they have to do to clean up the market because Nvidia's investors won't sue the AIB's for fucking up the numbers.
The AIBs need Nvidia, and for now, Nvidia needs them too, but you have to admit for the past few years they have been creating more and more problems that Nvidia then has to sort out.
 
Outside the 4080 noise, one thing Nvidia seem to have pulled of with the 2080TI followed by 3090, 3090TI and 4090 combo, creating a whole new tier of gaming card at a superbe high price point.

3090 performance was so close to the 3080, no reason to care much about the price point, pure halo product with little interest from a gaming perspective.

Now it is relevant and the price tag has well.

Having to bet it is not a 4080TI-4080 move but a 4080-4070Ti move, but it could be either way

The announced 4070 seem to use 100% of an AD104 making it an ideal TI card for the AD104 class:
https://www.club386.com/nvidia-leaves-ample-room-for-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-and-rtx-4080-ti/

While the 4080 16 gb did not leave much room for an TI that would use the AD103 (unlike the 4090)

The 4090 use 89% of an AD102, the 4090TI should be a significant boost.
4080 use 95% of an AD103, a TI model could maybe use a much larger memory bandwidth, is that something possible ?

https://www.club386.com/nvidia-leaves-ample-room-for-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-and-rtx-4080-ti/

AD102AD103AD104
Die size608mm2379mm2295mm2
Transistors76.3bn45.9bn35.8bn
SM Units1448060
CUDA Cores18,43210,2407,680
RT Cores1448060
Tensor Cores576320240
ROPs19211280
L2 Cache96MB64MB48MB
Memory Bus384-bit256-bit192-bit

GeForceRTX 4090RTX 4080 (16GB)RTX 4080 (12GB)
DieAD102AD103AD104
SM Units1287660
CUDA Cores16,3849,7287,680
RT Cores1287660
Tensor Cores512304240
ROPs19211280
FP32 Teraflops834940
RT Teraflops19111382
Tensor Teraflops1,321780641
Boost Clock2.52GHz2.51GHz2.61GHz
Base Clock2.23GHz2.21GHz2.31GHz
Memory Config24GB GDDR6X16GB GDDR6X12GB GDDR6X
Memory Bus384-bit256-bit192-bit
Graphics Power450W320W285W
MSRP$1,599$1,199$899
 
Lakados said:
The AIBs need Nvidia, and for now, Nvidia needs them too, but you have to admit for the past few years they have been creating more and more problems that Nvidia then has to sort out.
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LOL, that's rich!
 
Meeho said:
LOL, that's rich!
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In what way?
AIBs sold directly to miners at a higher price, and they inflated the pricing of the 3000 series raking in their largest margins in decades.
AIBs kept ordering and ordering creating the huge overstock that they then had to beg Nvidia to delay or tone down their launch of the 4000 series to correct.
AIB did the same thing with the 1000 series which resulted in them forcing Nvidia to buy back a few million unsold 1000 series cards, which then Nvidia's investors turned around and sued them for. The only saving grace there was Nvidia was able to take them out of storage, rebrand them as the CMP series, and sell them off and then some.
Nvidia is hiring talent to start bringing more of the production in-house, Nvidia already has direct contracts with Foxconn for their commercial equipment, no harm in expanding those contracts for consumer parts too.
 
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Lakados said:
In what way?
AIBs sold directly to miners at a higher price, and they inflated the pricing of the 3000 series raking in their largest margins in decades.
AIBs kept ordering and ordering creating the huge overstock that they then had to beg Nvidia to delay or tone down their launch of the 4000 series to correct.
AIB did the same thing with the 1000 series which resulted in them forcing Nvidia to buy back a few million unsold 1000 series cards, which then Nvidia's investors turned around and sued them for. The only saving grace there was Nvidia was able to take them out of storage, rebrand them as the CMP series, and sell them off and then some.
Nvidia is hiring talent to start bringing more of the production in-house, Nvidia already has direct contracts with Foxconn for their commercial equipment, no harm in expanding those contracts for consumer parts too.
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You do know that Nvidia put significant effort towards miners and heavily focused their attention, resources and sales towards that market? Not to mention all the bullshittery they've been pulling towards their partners since...well, forever. This topic included. Oh, and the new power connector sensing pins BS they pulled with PSU makers being a recent example.
 
Meeho said:
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You do know that Nvidia put significant effort towards miners and heavily focused their attention, resources and sales towards that market? Not to mention all the bullshittery they've been pulling towards their partners since...well, forever. This topic included. Oh, and the new power connector sensing pins BS they pulled with PSU makers being a recent example.
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The AIBs deserve plenty of shade, and the PSU sensing pins are a good thing I don't understand why people are upset with that. If anything I am more upset that the ATX 3.0 stuff isn't coming out faster.
And of course, Nvidia puts effort into sales to Crypto miners, they have a whole lineup dedicated to them and it sold as fast as Nvidia could make them, its no different than Nvidia putting time and effort into targeting sales of workstation cards to animation studios and their big deals with Disney.
 
Lakados said:
The AIBs deserve plenty of shade,
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Maybe. For this thing. The track record is pretty one way in general.
Lakados said:
and the PSU sensing pins are a good thing I don't understand why people are upset with that. If anything I am more upset that the ATX 3.0 stuff isn't coming out faster.
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Reportedly they sent the PSU makers (at least Corsair) a different set of specs than Nvidia ended up using.
 
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WorldExclusive said:
It wasn't marketing. It was named that, IMO, to help sell through of the 3000 series.
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Also, I bet the 4080 12GB would even be slower than some of the 3080 AIB cards in some titles (especially without RT) considering how close they were in Nvidia's own perf charts...
 
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Anyway, I’d like to apologize for our recently announced RTX 4080 12GB card, which has only 7680 CUDA cores, an MSRP of $899, and is based on the mid-range AD104 die. We’re really sorry about calling this obviously non-80 class product a 4080. So I’m announcing today that we’re taking the community’s feedback and cancelling this product.

Also, on a completely unrelated note, today we’re announcing the RTX 4070Ti 12 GB card, with 7680 CUDA cores, based on the AD104 die. MSRP… only $999. Wow, just amazing. $999. I’m so great. The more you buy, the more you save.

Also, the more douchey leather jackets you buy, the more you douchiness you save.

Peace out - Jensen

P.S. Douchey Leather Jacket(TM) FTW!!!
 
They're definitely going to release it at some point. They aren't just going to eat it when the cards are perfectly viable and probably a performance beast for a lot of setups.
They'll probably just repackage it as a 4070 (or some kind of 4060/4070 "Ti" "super" or whatever) and lower the price a bit. Depending on what AMD brings to the table, it could end up being a powerful counter-punch if the price is right.
 
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