GoldenTiger
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Yep, and they will use faster this coming gen too.14Gbps GDDR6 is $11.65 per GB. The 2080 ti has $128.15 worth of GDDR6. 22GB would be double that. WAY more.
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Yep, and they will use faster this coming gen too.14Gbps GDDR6 is $11.65 per GB. The 2080 ti has $128.15 worth of GDDR6. 22GB would be double that. WAY more.
Edit: Fixing numbers.
14Gbps GDDR6 is $11.65 per GB. The 2080 ti has $128.15 worth of GDDR6. 22GB would be double that. WAY more.
Edit: Fixing numbers.
Are those bulk prices though? NVidia probably gets a massive discount.
Not bulk. Though even with bulk prices you're likely looking at $70-$100 worth of memory, depending on how big the discount it. Doubling that would still be a huge cost increase for no real practical purpose.
You think they pay even that much?
One would think they pay far less than that because theyre building millions of units? But I havent a clue.
Not bulk. Though even with bulk prices you're likely looking at $70-$100 worth of memory, depending on how big the discount it. Doubling that would still be a huge cost increase for no real practical purpose.
I wouldn't be surprised if nVidias cost is 20-30% of market value. Them and AMD combined make up millions of unit sales so they probably have massive discounts. As for the need, with 4k taking off and next generation consoles, I'm sure we'll easily be able to hit 11 gb vram and more in the next few years. So having 22 gb may be a bit overkill but I'd rather have more than less.
Get a card with more RAM? Why would gamers have to pay for your RAM?I just dont get why halo consumer cards cant start shipping with 16 or 20GB of ram. I cant inagine how mich faster my davinci editing would be with more vram. I mean 16GB system ram is the new defacto standard. Lets get that vram up there too
Consumer cards don't need it. If you want/need more vRAM there are already consumer options. Radeon VII namely. It's more or less a cut down Instinct card already.I just dont get why halo consumer cards cant start shipping with 16 or 20GB of ram. I cant inagine how mich faster my davinci editing would be with more vram. I mean 16GB system ram is the new defacto standard. Lets get that vram up there too
Let’s keep it civil sheesh.I guess you can't do math?
I wouldn't be surprised if nVidias cost is 20-30% of market value. Them and AMD combined make up millions of unit sales so they probably have massive discounts. As for the need, with 4k taking off and next generation consoles, I'm sure we'll easily be able to hit 11 gb vram and more in the next few years. So having 22 gb may be a bit overkill but I'd rather have more than less.
That seems like a stretch. No one is buying these individual GDDR6 chips that I know of, so listed prices are probably wholesale cost already or possibly even manufacture cost. These are not Radio Shack retail prices.
It took a very long time to actually need 8 GB (Doom Eternal was the first, and even then the difference settings are minor). The main reason was getting rid of "Mega textures" in idtech7. There is just not enough need for it beyond that.
Even comparing the 2080 to the 1080ti, the 2080 has only increased its performance gap since launch. Many said the 1080ti would be more "future proof".
The 5700xt isn't equivalent to the 2070 super though. It has a pretty significant feature deficit. So you're not getting the "same" thing for less money.
And so far the 1080ti is very future proof. There isn't any game at 1440p that the 1080ti can't handle. Now when it comes to 4k the king is still the 2080ti.
Control where it loses to a 2060 Super. The point is that the 2080 proved to be a better purchase upon release as it was a similiar price as the 1080ti back then. 8 GB was enough after all.
And so far the 1080ti is very future proof. There isn't any game at 1440p that the 1080ti can't handle. Now when it comes to 4k the king is still the 2080ti.
At 60hz. If you want to push 144, or more, at 1440p the 1080ti isn't going to cut it in every game without making visual sacrifices.
Exactly. And this holds true with the 2060 super, and the 2070/2080 2070/2080 super.
Just because 1 game shows the 1080ti not doing well doesn't prove it's not furture proof at all. If anything it shows there is something wrong with the drivers? And besides who the hell plays Control? I never even heard of the game.
And who the hell buys a 1080ti to play at 1080p for 60hz? You are more likely to be CPU bound than anything else.
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If you want to look at Future proofing. Here are the newest benchmarks for Doom Eternal (taking from hardware unboxed). You can see that the 1080ti which is over 3 years old, is still chugging along just fine, while the 2060 super is slower then the $100 cheaper 5700XT....
IF anything Doom Eternal shows how future proof the 1080ti is considering it is 3 years old.
There's no such thing as future proofing.
Huh, could of fooled me!
If one game cannot prove something isn't "future proof" then one game cannot prove that it is.
Exactly. Which is why if you look across all modern games. It shows how future proof the 1080ti was! With the only exception being a game called Control.
Thank you for proving my point!
Get a card with more RAM? Why would gamers have to pay for your RAM?
Sure if you enable RTX. Then I expect RTX cards that specialize in Ray Tracing to take the lead.
The Radeon VII has 16GB of VRAM, and if you have workloads that are at the point of requiring that, or more, then it might be time to start looking at professional/workstation GPUs.I just dont get why halo consumer cards cant start shipping with 16 or 20GB of ram. I cant inagine how mich faster my davinci editing would be with more vram. I mean 16GB system ram is the new defacto standard. Lets get that vram up there too
Wasn’t [H] finding VRAM issues when RT was on in BFV?
I guess the only real way to tell is if you had a Titan RTX and 2080ti....
Not after the GTX 970's delayed backlash ended such practices. While not 100% identical, it was somewhat similar. People will bitch about theoretically "missing" GBps rather than actual game performance and benchmarks.Wonder if they will be using more hybrid designs like the Xbox Series X uses. Maybe 12 GB running at the full 384 bit and another 6 GB running at 192 bit for a total of 18 GB (half of the memory double staked). This could be useful for mainstream cards as well running 6 GB at a faster 192 bit and then a few more GB running slower where it is again double stacked.
i disagree....i have played quite a few games already that used up over 7GB of vram already years before doom eternal.(was handy even with my old rx580) RE2, DE Mankind Dev, The Div 1 and 2, Wolf and older Doom just to name a few. I agree with Tango, bring on the default 16GB cardsThat seems like a stretch. No one is buying these individual GDDR6 chips that I know of, so listed prices are probably wholesale cost already or possibly even manufacture cost. These are not Radio Shack retail prices.
It took a very long time to actually need 8 GB (Doom Eternal was the first, and even then the difference settings are minor). The main reason was getting rid of "Mega textures" in idtech7. There is just not enough need for it beyond that.
Even comparing the 2080 to the 1080ti, the 2080 has only increased its performance gap since launch. Many said the 1080ti would be more "future proof".
That’s be terrible it’d be the 1070 debacle againWonder if they will be using more hybrid designs like the Xbox Series X uses. Maybe 12 GB running at the full 384 bit and another 6 GB running at 192 bit for a total of 18 GB (half of the memory double staked). This could be useful for mainstream cards as well running 6 GB at a faster 192 bit and then a few more GB running slower where it is again double stacked.
Have data to back that up? My 2080 Ti does nothing but play games.And idiot why does GPU ONLY literally have to be for gamers? Gamers buy 1650tis and rx580s. Enthusiast video encoders and performance ju8nkies who do gaming in addition to rendering and encoding buy 2080tis on avg. Gpus are not only for games.
Sure uses but doesn't needed it. Cause a game loads the entire level/world into memory it doesn't mean it is using it all at all times. Sure you might hit a hitch here or there if you do something that is completely unexpected but for normal gaming running it with a 8gb card wouldn't change much. Games that use stupid amounts of memory are just poor coding. Game like GoW 5 look incredible and only takes 6gb on with ultra texture pack running 3440x1440. People just get hung up on vram usage too much. Only real instance where memory matter is people modding games to the moon or have a actual work load to use it.Yes, Deus Ex MD on max settings can use up 12GB of VRAM (at least it looks that way, maybe more if the GPU supported it). RE2 as well.
Not after the GTX 970's delayed backlash ended such practices. While not 100% identical, it was somewhat similar. People will bitch about theoretically "missing" GBps rather than actual game performance and benchmarks.
A long time ago, it wasn't uncommon to have such setups (largely for 192bit and 96bit setups to get "normal" amounts of RAM. e.g, 512GB, 1GB, 2GB, etc). Was it a majority of cards? Never. Not even in the low end (where such practices were implemented), but it did happen.
You think they pay even that much?
One would think they pay far less than that because theyre building millions of units? But I havent a clue.
$70 is around a 45% discount. It's possible they get higher than that, but I'm not sure. Most estimates I've seen put bulk discounts at 20 to 40%.
I just looked up some 8 Ghz GDDR6 on digikey for curiosity's sake. These appear to be 512 Mb ICs vs say the 1Gb on a 2080 Ti? so no idea how that would impact the price, but still pretty cheap compared to the numbers I've seen floating around above, and give you an idea about bulk pricing when the minimum quantity is 2000.
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Im not sure who buys in trays anyways so you save money getting the ICs glued to a spool for a machine to plop them down on PCBs anyways.
But yeah those prices are MUCH lower than what was discussed here in this thread. I assume that the 1GB silicon is going to cost another $10 more at bulk rates. Well you can only buy this stuff in bulk anyways.
@2000 modules = 181 2080tis so they are buying these in orders of millions of dollars