NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Review

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  1. cageymaru

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    Sebastian Peak of PC Perspective has reviewed the mainstream NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti. The video card does not have support for RTX features such as DXR and DLSS, but still delivers impressive performance. The MSI GTX 1660 Ti GAMING X matched the GTX 1070 Ti in performance in some benchmarks but was significantly behind in others. The card overclocked well also. Overall the $299.99 price point was justified and it received a Gold Award.

    These results show some appreciable gains in all cases (with an odd win over the RTX 2060 in the Tomb Raider benchmark), and in general even this quick overclocking experiment with no voltage adjustment and a max 107% power limit with this MSI card was impressive. I think we'll see a TU116 GPU match the RTX 2060 with some slightly higher clocks, and that's from a card that starts at $100 less. Nice!
     
  2. ir0nw0lf

    ir0nw0lf [H]ardness Supreme

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    From the few reviews I have watched, the $279 price point is the sweet spot for sure. The cards that were running upwards of $329'ish, not so much.
     
  3. HAL_404

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    IMO buy a used EVGA GTX 1070 Ti
     
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  4. bugleyman

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    Pass. Nvidia can cram it up their GPP.
     
  5. lostin3d

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    A nice review. I can understand the comparisons to the 2060 but honestly it's debatable if that card should even exist. In terms of the RTX line and features it's pointless. The 1660TI should've been there in the 1st place and 2060 shouldn't have happened. Ought to be fun to see someone put one of these on liquid and OC.

    edit: The battle for the $250-300 range is on with AMD lowering their Vega 56 price and this.
     
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    AMD - the gauntlet is tossed. I'm watching. I like this price point for a GPU.
     
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    It would then look weird to have too big of a price gap to RTX2070. If it really was $250 then performance is good but from what I see in this article it gets close to $300 so it creeps too close to RTX2060. Overall, pricing seems like what custom 1060 6G cost but gap to a next tier is way too narrow. IDK, pricing this generation seems rather inflated which makes it hard for average gamer to afford.
     
  8. Patton187

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    That is really not that impressive at all. But, I can't speak to that market as I always go a little bit higher in the stack. I guess some people are finding it compelling.
     
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    so it's a 1070 Pm plusminus
     
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  10. Nukester

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    why not just keep making the 1070 and 1080, at proper price points.. I don't get this whole scheme of things by nShitia
     
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  11. Omegas

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    So it uses the same power, less ram, but slightly faster then a 1070, for the same price...
     
  12. IdiotInCharge

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    Because it's cheaper for Nvidia to produce?

    For the end user picking between them, it's also more efficient.
     
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    Their contracted fabs probably would like them to move to newer processes, because each chip takes less space and it frees up the older process for other customers. Besides, should be able to get more chips for the money eventually, even if yields are poor at first.
     
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    uuuuh.... so why didnt they try pushing the memory further?
     
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    The GTX 1080 and 1070 are more expensive to make than these 1660 To and 2060 cards. These new graphics cards are dirt cheap to manufacture in comparison. That Founders Edition GPU cooler on the 1080 / 1070 was pretty expensive to make.

    Lastly, the 1070 and 1080 are both actually better GPUs than the 1660 and 2060. It would render them pointless.
     
  16. Derangel

    Derangel [H]ard as it Gets

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    The same reason AMD stops producing older models before they release new ones. Really weird thing to try to call a company out on.

    AMD didn't really lower the price of the Vega 56. It was only a single model, with a shitty cooler, not the entire line. If AMD really did lower the price it would be a very interesting battle at that price range.
     
  17. IdiotInCharge

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    Until stock ran out on the Vega 56 cards, really. AMD likely wouldn't want to produce more just to sell them at fire-sale prices.
     
  18. lenne0815

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    Current going rate for a used 1080 with 1 year warranty is the equivalent to 300usd where i live, fuck off nvidia.
     
  19. IdiotInCharge

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    High used prices are indications of quality ;)
     
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    Pedaling back is the only real thing happening here. Getting out a card with the same performance and price like an year old model is just trying to sueeze more cash from customers while avoiding any real innovation.
     
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    The thing that annoys me about a lot of these reviews especially for mid range cards is that they mostly only compare with current or at best previous gen cards.

    Those of us that do not change our cards like we do our underpants are left wondering how much better it is than our 3+ year old card.

    A lot of folks are still running RX 480's but nope...
     
  22. IdiotInCharge

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    That's more performance for the same price, or did you read an entirely different review?

    It'd make more sense if you were talking about the RTX series, but the GTX1660 appears to be an exception. Which makes sense, since it is actually physically smaller.
     
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    So Nvidia filling a gap in their product line is evidence of some type of evil scheme? Ok got it!
     
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    check GN's review they have the 970 up to the 2080ti in their benchmark charts.
     
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    I admit the $250 is more of a guess for what could happen by fall but $279 for Vega 56 was announced a few days ago. https://www.techpowerup.com/252900/...eon-rx-vega-56-to-preempt-geforce-gtx-1660-ti
     
  26. twzTechman

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    This card and this whole Nvidia stack does not interest me at all. I picked up a used 1080ti last fall, and it is going to last me for the next release or two. If I had to buy a new card today, I would go with either:
    • a Vega 56 or 580 over the 1660ti (for 1080p) or
    • a Radeon VII over a 2080 (for 1440p or 4k). The 2080ti is way out of my range.
     
  27. lostin3d

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    I love mine. Got it about a month after release for $750. At the time I thought that was a lot of money but now in retrospect one of the best buys I've made in years. The 1080TI's are made to last. Great at 1080P/1440p and if paired to a G-Sync display it helps them reach their fullest potential.

    This 1660TI is only the beginning. Already started seeing rumors of the 1650 coming out soon too. I just remembered that's why I mentioned the $250 price range in my earlier posts. NV is going to try to dominate the mid/low end tier again.
     
  28. Derangel

    Derangel [H]ard as it Gets

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    Companies don't price new products based on the prices of old ones. That said, the used Pascal market has some insanely good deals right now. Prices are bound to go up as new stock gets harder to find though.
     
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  29. happymedium

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    its at least 35% faster than a gtx 1060, so at least 40% faster than a rx 480. Its a good upgrade.
     
  30. Ranulfo

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    While many reviewers get lazy or ignore 2 generations ago, its not hard to figure out where a 480 stands given the 580 isn't much faster. For me the question is the 1660ti or 2060 worth it at $310 or $390 (non base models) to upgrade a 970 for 1080p. I'm interested to see Nvidia's support for adaptive/free sync with the newer cards before buying anything new for my nvidia rig.
     
  31. KATEKATEKATE

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    making me real glad I had decided to hurry up and sell my GTX 1070 & upgrade to RTX immediately after the 2060 was announced and before this dropped. Used prices are going down-down-down, get ready for $150 1070s on fleabay and craigslist
     
  32. Derangel

    Derangel [H]ard as it Gets

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    It has nothing to do with reviewers being "lazy". It is all about time and what they find worth focusing on. Even for reviewers just doing canned benchmarks it still takes time to full test cards and they're not exactly given a ton of it if they want to meet the embargo date.
     
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    AMD pulled a dirty trick just before the launch of this card in an attempt to poison GTX 1660 ti reviews.

    IN essence they tried to frame the 280 dollar price point initially as the new price point for Vega 56 and emailed reviewers directly this information. After the reviews were published, AMD clarified that there was no Vega 56 price drop.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...79-to-fight-nvidias-gtx-1660-ti/#13b8da9837a2

    UPDATE 1: AMD framed this as a price drop in their email to press, and that's how most press reported it. However, this tweet from the official AMD account concerns me:

    Our friends at @Newegg had a killer deal for Radeon RX Vega 56 at $279.99 ($249.99 after MIR) just earlier today. As you can imagine, it sold out quickly.

    I'm seeking clarity on whether this was a limited-time sale on one particular Vega 56 model, or indeed a price drop.

    UPDATE 2: A spokesperson for AMD provided a disappointing response, but at least we know where things stand:

    “Radeon RX Vega 56 has been heavily promoted since the holidays and into the new year as partners have been eager to make RX Vega 56 and it's forward looking 8GB of HBM2 available for more gamers. To clarify, the current Radeon RX Vega 56 promotion is not a price drop. Additionally, the RX Vega 56 graphics card will continue to be offered as part of AMD’s Raise the Game: Fully Loaded bundle with three of this year’s blockbuster titles.”



    Yep. I reached out to @AMD and updated my article ASAP, but I also fell into the trap at first. AMD's marketing knew exactly what they were doing here. Carefully worded, timed perfectly to create assumptions and influence reviewer's final conclusions.

    AMD framed a card with limited stock and availability as a price drop to get reviews to compare the Vega 56 to the GTX 1660 ti. Gamersnexus fell for the trap and to a lesser extent Jay2cents did too. Anandtech was cautious too.

    It was not until the reviews were published did AMD clarify that the Vega 56 did not receive any price drop. This is a scummy tactic because it allows company to crap on their competitors launches with none existent products which don't exist in reality in terms of price to performance.

    If at the Radeon VII launch, Nvidia gave newegg 10 RTX 2080 ti to sell at 699 and framed it as the new price for the series and emailed to reviews to use this new price to performance point as a consideration point when writing the review..Then after the article is published which makes the Radeon VII look bad, finally clarify that this was not a price drop but a limited sale. This is what AMD did and has the potential to pollute reviews in the future.
     
  34. Bawjaws

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    That's shady, all right. Mind you, I don't tend to go by the headline conclusions from reviews, especially when they're comparing cards on the basis of price at the time of the review. I look at how they perform and then decide based on current price/performance. This is particularly important when you get such a wide range of prices on different models of the same card, or when there are mail-in rebates, other offers, or bundled games that you may or may not consider to add value (personally, I discount these unless it's 100% a game that I would be buying anyway - I have no interest in RE2, DMC5 or Division 2, or Anthem or Battlefield V, so neither of AMD or Nvidia's bundles add any value whatsoever for me. For someone else, though, £100 worth of games might be the difference between good value and poor value.

    I've digressed a bit, but what I was originally trying to say is that the vast majority of reviews are a snapshot in time (usually at launch date) and are based on price and performance at that point. Both of these things can change as time goes by, so it pays the savvy customer to ensure that they're working off up to date information before they make a purchase. Unfortunately, some people will get caught out by the headline reviews and could end up buying a product that doesn't offer the best value for money. This sort of tactic from AMD is pretty fucking cynical really, but I'm sure certain people will applaud it (and equally those same people would condemn Nvidia for doing the same thing - and there are plenty of others who would be supportive of Nvidia doing this but would hate it if it came from AMD). Fwiw, I don't care whether it's AMD, Nvidia, Intel or whoever pulling this stunt, it's still a shady move.
     
  35. Snowdog

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    Yep. IMO, the real pricing authorities are Amazon and Newegg, not Manufacturer press releases from the marketing department.

    On Newegg right now:


    Lowest price new (not open box/refurb) Vega 56 is $399

    Lowest price new (not open box/refurb) GTX 1660Ti is $279

    It's not even worth mentioning them in the same conversation in the real world.

    And as for people getting up in arms over the $30 price increase on this 60 series card, remember that the first GTX 1060s were $300 FE cards(first 1060 reviews were all $300 FE). How long until an actual $250 GTX 1060 showed up?
     
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  36. Nobu

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    Well, sure, but if you go buy a $500 video card because a review said it was a better value at $279, I can only assume something is wrong in your head. AMD was misleading and wrong for it, but you're jumping to the wrong conclusion here.
     
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    bought my vega 56 for 250 quid with 3 free games yes :)

    dont really care if it was a temporary drop to eclipse the 1660ti, it was a win for me.
     
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    What wrong conclusion have I jumped to here, chief?
     
  39. Nobu

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    Sorry, was referring specifically to this part.
     
  40. Bawjaws

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    Gotcha :)

    Yeah, I think in this particular case the difference is fairly apparent, but was talking about reviews in more general terms.