NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Video Card Review @ [H]

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  1. SomeGuy133

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    look at the photos above. 165hz is like 6ms when 120hz with 100% ULMB (stobe) is 2ms! I see so many gamers using 144hz or 165 hz on their ULMB monitors which is idiotic because 120hz ULMB is magitudes better as the pictures above show. Thats why 165hz is 100% pointless because if you have ULMB. 165hz is worse and impossible to get that many frames consistently. So its a pointless feature at the end of the day.

    Gsync and ULMB can't be used at once which sucks. I hope that gets changed some day :/
     
  2. ZLoth

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    And, this is relevant to the topic "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Video Card Review @ [H]"..... how again? My comments are related to the review of the video card. We are just looking at framerate from two different points of view then, and as much as will distress you... BOTH VIEWPOINTS MATTER.
     
  3. Dan_D

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    If a thread goes on long enough they always seem to go off the rails. I guess this one is no different.

    4K TV's and 4K monitor's are the same resolution. They aren't "2kish" as you put it. 3.8k'ish would probably be more accurate. You are thinking of the vertical pixel height of a 4K TV because for some stupid reason, that's been adopted as a way of describing resolutions in the past. Calling 1920x1080 "1080P" was always stupid in my opinion. A 4K TV has an actual native resolution of 3840x2160. This is often erroneously called "2160P" for some stupid reason. What's changed is that the industry decided to use the first half of the resolution for the name and called it "4K". The name comes from the DCI 4K (native resolution) or Digital Cinema Initiatives standard for 4K movie projection. This resolution is 4096x2160. That's where the "4" in "4K" really comes from. Many TV's like the Samsung JU6700, JS9000, and KS8500 display this as an over scan resolution despite having a native resolution of 3840x2160. It doesn't matter if we call a resolution a short name based on the horizontal pixel count or the vertical pixel height but the alternating between those two methods is what creates confusion.

    We were at "2Kish" before the "1080P" standard came into play. 1920x1200 monitors appeared on the market before 1920x1080 models did.

    Also, video card performance has fuck all to do with monitors. The video card outputs a given amount of FPS based on the applications, settings and ultimately, what resolution its running at. Your monitor only matters in that it limits what your resolution and refresh rate options are. Further limitations are imposed after the fact by enabling V-Sync, using G-Sync, FreeSync, or not using such settings at all. If you could simulate a monitor signal and configure benchmarks and games to run via RDP, you would see the same results on identical systems based on the configuration of those systems. Your monitor simply controls what you see and defines the video cards resolution. Refresh rate doesn't even come into play beyond what you see or unless you use a technology to synch the output of the graphics card to the refresh rate of the monitor.
     
  4. Dadebraafsie

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    i wonder why prices in Europe have to be so much higher , this card sells overhere voor 850 euros or nearly 900 USD . ok some higer taxes maybe but 200 extra is way too much :s
     
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    Dan_D

    I've been telling people for nearly a decade that labels attributed to most tv's and monitors often mean little to nothing. UHD,1080p,2160p,4k,2k all end up being a load of BS and I constantly say give me the actual specs and not some marketing junk. I've read on some forums where people have stated that 720p was really HD and 1080p was 2k. This marketing junk seems really only breed ignorance and confuse those who sincerely try to learn. I'm glad I started out in the 8bit days and was excited when I was able to go to 320x240 in 16 colors(lol). SInce then I've only really looked at the numbers and not the labels.
     
  6. Armenius

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    The Netherlands has a 21% VAT.

    $749.00 USD = €704.71
    €704.71 * 1.21 = €852.70

    The US doesn't include taxes in the sale price of goods.
     
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  7. XBarbarian

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    well, its time! still sporting my 680gtx... lol granted I only play wow or other blizzard games, just the same, I am at 1440.. so..ya.. its time. and I was going to grab a reg 1080, may as well get a ti now. thanks [H]
     
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    Yeah, due to demand it looks like our lovely shops in EU put the price to up 870-880 euro for FE edition. I'm "lucky" I still got EVGA FE for 820 euro (830 with shipping).

    And looks like EVGA is the way to get the cards in EU, as they sell stuff at their official prices and do not rise the prices to meet the market. No other manufacturer has direct shop in EU
     
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    anyone finding any avail anywhere yet?
     
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    Stupid in the sense that the "p" designation was borne out of the broadcast / video world where a signal could be (P)rogressive or (I)nterlaced.

    It was never intended for use in PC / monitor land.
     
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    I don't know why there's all this sperging out over 1920x1080 or 1080p. 1080p is more convenient to write than 1920x1080. Nothing stupid about it; we all know it's shorthand for 1920x1080.
     
  12. Algrim

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    But it's not. As Syphon Filter stated, it's to denote a progressive picture (single channel broadcast) or interlaced (four channel broadcast).
     
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    It's not so bad for 1920x1080, but it is annoying when we start talking about 2560x1440 monitors vs. 3440x1440 monitors. We have two different "1440P's" out there. This probably isn't a problem talking to friends or family, but on this site 34" widescreen monitors at 3440x1440 aren't exactly super rare. Plenty of people have them. As far as I am concerned the first half of the resolution was always a better number ot use if you had an official short hand for resolutions.
     
  14. pendragon1

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    I always thought standard 1440p was 2560x1440, for widescreen I use 1440p/w. what I don't get is why we changed 2160p to 4k?! I guess its shorter/easy to type but then why not 2k and 2.5k...
     
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    Whenever P is used it always refers to standard 16:9 format. If it is being used in another way it is wrong.

    Another reason why i dont like 4K nomenclature. Also surprised dell doesn't make 4K 16:10 screens since their 1920x1200 sells like hot cakes.
     
  17. pendragon1

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    isn't the p for progressive?
     
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    Always look for the "Ship from and sold by" line on an Amazon listing. When I went to your second link it showed a reseller called Compumay USA, Inc. If it was Amazon I'm sure it would be $699 (or close to it, since even Amazon's price can fluctuate from supply and demand).
     
  19. pendragon1

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    yeah I saw that, neither are directly from amazon but they are the only ones in stock. I'm not buying though, was linking for XBarb.
     
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    Yes. That came about when VCR's and TV's started coming out that had progressive (non-interlaced) scan modes. It really became a bigger deal with the advent of 1080P to distinguish them from earlier models. TV's. Prior to that, many early HDTV's only supported 720P and 1080i.
     
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    yeah I know that I should have made that post as a statement instead of a q. my point was that the p does not mean 16:9
     
  22. wigglywaffles

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    No. It stands for a progressive picture with 1080 lines of vertical resolution, and nothing else.

    Hence why 1440x1080 videos are also 1080p.
     
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    Do you really wonder? You named the reason yourself, the listprice in the US is excluding taxes, while the listprice in the EU is including (and generally higher).
     
  24. SomeGuy133

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    VAT...gotta love hidden taxes....such an evil concept.
     
  25. Loose Nut

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    I knew I shouldn't be checking the nvidia page... rolled the dice, landed on a buy now.
    I just hope the few that pop up at NVidia store are not "returns or refurbished"

    guess I'll know in a few days.
     
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  26. XBarbarian

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    exactly. bought yesterday, should have it tomorrow... Ill report my experience..
     
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    LOL If I would have just waited 1 more week
    https://rog.asus.com/articles/gamin...eforce-gtx-1080-ti-takes-pascal-to-the-limit/

    That's ok, I will enjoy my FE

    EDIT:
    so far the 1080ti is a downgrade for me

    was using GTX Titan X (Maxwell) with a 144Hrz monitor
    the 1080ti has to be display port only (Vive in HDMI port) so it cant support 144hrz
    after using 144 for 2 years now 60hrz just wants to make my eyes bleed.

    then again I am using the displayport to DVI dongle that came with the 1080ti
    I am hoping when I gat a real displayport cable I will be able to use 144 again
     
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    Gsync and ulmb CAN be used at the same time. Just not officially. Instructions on how to do it on are blurbusters' forums.
     
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    link? that would be epic!!!!!!!!
     
  30. XBarbarian

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    so, received my 1080 GTX TI yesterday! w00t! I was concerned it would work with my aging system in sig (Max Gene Z x79, 2600k, Seasonic X750)
    it does!
    the thing I failed to prepare for and consider.. was my Dell Display U2713HM. with the old 680gtx, I used a dual DVI and ran 1440p. ths TI only has DP (3x) and HDMI (1x)
    using the DP -> DVI passive adapter included, only supports 1080p. luckily this Display has multiple inputs, so I went on a quest here in Tampa area to find a fricking DP cable. NOT A SINGLE ONE TOP BE FOUND. ANYWHERE. only on line.
    ordered one from Amazon, will get it Monday. but through the weekend, I have to stay on 1080p.. ugh. I tried DP->HDMI, same. no 1440p.

    so, solution is coming,etc, but just a heads up for anyone else.
     
  31. XBarbarian

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    w00t!! had to go out, saw a Radio Shack that HAD a 6' DP-DP cable! back to full on 1440p and very happy!
     
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    Radio Shack still exists? I'm more shocked at that than a local store having a display port cable.
     
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    The Asus Strix ROG gtx 1080 OC I had was a piece of garbage. FE is better.
     
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    in major suburbs yes...they are a god send when you need a part in a pinch...you'll get ass raped in price but its the convenience you are paying for.

    Is anyone reporting about what the ASIC quality is on these FEs?
    (ASIC doesnt work on pascal. I am told.)
     
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  37. Nenu

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    Create a new thread and state the problem in text.
     
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    That's just perspective, everyone knows it's included, and the amount is always shown on the receipt. People here would be pissed off if they take something to the register and suddenly an x amount in taxes is added, making you spend more than what's actually listed.
     
  40. SomeGuy133

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    and you just proved my point. You psychologically notice taxes more the US way vs EU way. You are more conscious of the tax.
     
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