NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Founders Edition Review @ [H]

[cptnjarhead]

Another thing that might also factor in here (and I'm asking because I don't know) is: will Vulcan be available for console developers? If titles are looking for portability and both future MS and PS consoles are AMD, vulcan might be a valid development path. I don't know how well the specialized sku would work with it though. Someone else would have to answer that.

Vulkan is platform agnostic. Remember, the GCN hardware is in the current consoles, and the next gen. Consoles dictate PC games as well, i think AMD might have out maneuvered nvidia, it didnt happen over night. Nvidia had a lot of irons in the fire back then, SOC mobile stuff, and their streaming platform, while AMD under bid the consoles, sure they are weak, but look now, the next gen will have GCN... we shall see.

 

[NKD]

Async compute is big thing? Where? I certainly don't see that on the PC or are you confused and think we're discussing PS4?

No not confused? Really man you are so ignorant it is no point talking to you. This will be my last post. ROTR, Ashes, hitman, upcoming battelfield 1, dues ex, civilization 6. ROTR is nvidia sponsor title but they still released a new patch that enables async shading, Warhammer seems to be the only title being tested that has no async so that is 3 vs 1 for now and next three AAA titles all supporting async. Battlefield being major one. So that will 6 vs 1. So pick whatever you like. These are the ones being benched and most likely to be benched in the future.

 

[sleepybp]

Its odd that 5150 joker is so upset about the 480 being a better purchase than 1060.

If his nvidia enthusiasm is anything to go by im sure he already has a 1080 "founder edition"

 

[Ocellaris]

No not confused? Really man you are so ignorant it is no point talking to you. This will be my last post. ROTR, Ashes, hitman, upcoming battelfield 1, dues ex, civilization 6. ROTR is nvidia sponsor title but they still released a new patch that enables async shading, Warhammer seems to be the only title being tested that has no async so that is 3 vs 1 for now and next three AAA titles all supporting async. Battlefield being major one. So that will 6 vs 1. So pick whatever you like. These are the ones being benched and most likely to be benched in the future.

While I don't disagree with you, it is a shame AMD's only new product (the 480) is as slow as it is. They may have the software side leaning in their favor, but Nvidia is curb stomping them on the high end.

Also AMD's video encoding is still garbage

 

[Deleted member 126051]

So. 1060 and the performance isn't quite up to a 480.
Or go with a 480 and risk burning up your motherboard...

Such tough choices!

 

[gordon152]

The part about people looking at two long-standing AMD titles (Hitman and Ashes of the Singularity) and declaring AMD the winner in "DirectX 12" is misleading. The only thing that can be definitively stated at this point is that AMD cards have an Async Compute advantage in AMD developed titles. These two benchmarks say nothing about the universe of DirectX 12 and the full feature set that includes.

Warhammer with update and GOW are DX12 titles and they have a similar trend. If we see the same trend in the Elder scrolls DX12 update, would that be enough of a trend?

 

[NKD]

The part about people looking at two long-standing AMD titles (Hitman and Ashes of the Singularity) and declaring AMD the winner in "DirectX 12" is misleading. The only thing that can be definitively stated at this point is that AMD cards have an Async Compute advantage in AMD developed titles. These two benchmarks say nothing about the universe of DirectX 12 and the full feature set that includes.

add rotr to that released async compute recently. ADD battlefield one and dues ex coming out this year to add to that and then civilization 6 those, there may be more titles but I haven't researched more. Its happening and it will continue to happen, you know why because most of these titles are going to consoles and thats a big chunk and they are trying to squeeze everything out of those and async shaders help with that. They are no longer in denial. It hasn't happened overnight it has taken years and now finally developers are tapping more performance out of consoles.

 

[WorldExclusive]

This would have also been a common statement in regards to Mantle in BF4.

Exactly and I sold my 660Ti's for a 290X for BF.

 

[NKD]

So. 1060 and the performance isn't quite up to a 480.
Or go with a 480 and risk burning up your motherboard...

Such tough choices!

been fixed, the card killing your motherboards was only issue on older boards. Drivers took care of that already.

 

[sleepybp]

1070 is best buy at 1440p
480 is best buy at 1080p

Anyone who doesnt see that is either uninformed or has a brand bias affecting their judgement

 

[gordon152]

1070 is best buy at 1440p
480 is best buy at 1080p

Anyone who doesnt see that is either uninformed or has a brand bias affecting their judgement

I'd buy a GTX1060 @ $249 (it's really not a bad choice at that price, but anything more is pushing it to crazy levels), but I'm giving AMD one more week to get $199 RX 480s in stock. ONE WEEK!!!

 

[Zion Halcyon]

1070 is best buy at 1440p
480 is best buy at 1080p

Anyone who doesnt see that is either uninformed or has a brand bias affecting their judgement

So I guess Brent is uninformed or has brand bias when he said:

When you look at the raw performance though, AMD Radeon RX 480 just mops up the competition with the Vulkan API in DOOM. This lead continues in Hitman under DX12. GeForce GTX 1060 does allow a great gaming experience no question about it. We were able to run at the highest settings at 1080p and nearly the highest settings at 1440p. However, AMD Radeon RX 480 just simply outperforms it under DX12.

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[Napoleon]

The 1060 is comparable to Rx 480 depending on the game and resolution. Stop pretending each person uses the hardware the same way and that a few benchmarks are all these will be used for.

Hardware availability and applications will dictate the best match per person, anyone who wants to make conclusive statements on this or that as the 'winner' is missing this important point

 

[sleepybp]

Zion i think you are confused bc brents statement is in agreement with mine

 

[Nobu]

So I guess Brent is uninformed or has brand bias when he said:

When you look at the raw performance though, AMD Radeon RX 480 just mops up the competition with the Vulkan API in DOOM. This lead continues in Hitman under DX12. GeForce GTX 1060 does allow a great gaming experience no question about it. We were able to run at the highest settings at 1080p and nearly the highest settings at 1440p. However, AMD Radeon RX 480 just simply outperforms it under DX12.

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Brent was comparing the 1060 and 480--I'd say the 1070 is definitely the best buy for 1440p...if you can find it for a reasonable price.

 

[DrLobotomy]

I am curious about 1 thing and maybe someone can answer me with a link to a previous post or just blurt out the answer, but because the new DX12 can utilize 2 cards without crossfire or SLI bridges, does this mean that under DX12 that the 1060 WILL SLI in DX 12 when fully supported without the connector at some point in the future? Is this NVidias first try with this card? Don't hurt me too bad if I missed a reference to it somewhere.

 

[5150Joker]

No not confused? Really man you are so ignorant it is no point talking to you. This will be my last post. ROTR, Ashes, hitman, upcoming battelfield 1, dues ex, civilization 6. ROTR is nvidia sponsor title but they still released a new patch that enables async shading, Warhammer seems to be the only title being tested that has no async so that is 3 vs 1 for now and next three AAA titles all supporting async. Battlefield being major one. So that will 6 vs 1. So pick whatever you like. These are the ones being benched and most likely to be benched in the future.

So 3 of those games are AMD backed ones and suddenly the world is shifting to async compute? Gimme a break. A grand total of 6-7 games in the overall PC gaming world is nothing. Yes eventually DX 12 (not necessarily AMD slanted async compute) will start seeing more traction and we'll see how NV vs AMD does then. Right now, we have only 4 titles to really go by and of those Hitman and AOTS are AMD slanted. And I doubt that will be your last post.

 

[Nobu]

I am curious about 1 thing and maybe someone can answer me with a link to a previous post or just blurt out the answer, but because the new DX12 can utilize 2 cards without crossfire or SLI bridges, does this mean that under DX12 that the 1060 WILL SLI in DX 12 when fully supported without the connector at some point in the future? Is this NVidias first try with this card? Don't hurt me too bad if I missed a reference to it somewhere.

Unlikely. multi-GPU, sure. SLI, no--it's just not supported.

NVIDIA SLI Ready: No

 

[pcgeekesq]

The 1060 is comparable to Rx 480 depending on the game and resolution. Stop pretending each person uses the hardware the same way and that a few benchmarks are all these will be used for. Hardware availability and applications will dictate the best match per person, anyone who wants to make conclusive statements on this or that as the 'winner' is missing this important point

Agreed. For example, in small form factor cases or for a living room PCs (that might double as both a HTPC and a casual gaming PC) the GTX 1060's lower power draw will convince some people that it's a better choice than the RX 480.

 

[DrLobotomy]

Unlikely. multi-GPU, sure. SLI, no--it's just not supported.

Is there a multi-GPU supported DX 12 game out there then?

 

[sover]

Is there a multi-GPU supported DX 12 game out there then?

AotS

 

[sleepybp]

Joker question for you,

Was I right about you buying a 1080 "founders edition" ?

Why do you think nvidia is ignoring dx12/vulcan support unlike amd? They probably have a driver staff 5 times the size of amd bc of their budget....and yet still showing less api gains than AMD. Try to think with your brain about that and stop living in denial

 

[NKD]

Warhammer with update and GOW are DX12 titles and they have a similar trend. If we see the same trend in the Elder scrolls DX12 update, would that be enough of a trend?

People still seem to be in denial. Dx12 just seems to squeeze more out of AMD hardware thats all there is to it. It puts them shaders to more effeciency. Even better with async compute. No Nvidia is already up there. It's just that It uses amd hardware to its potential. Nothing wrong with that. If you can get a good deal on gtx 1060 ofcourse its a great purchase. I bought one for 249.99 and got lucky but if I didn't and rx 480 AIB was available first I would go that route. It wasn't for my machine but in the future though I would have a serious look at Vega early next year see how that plays out. it might be more future proof is this trend continues. Which seems like that is the case because its not going in the other direction.

 

[DrLobotomy]

AotS

So we need a 1060 multi gpu test for AotS!!!!

 

[NKD]

Joker question for you,

Was I right about you buying a 1080 "founders edition" ?

Why do you think nvidia is ignoring dx12/vulcan support unlike amd? They probably have a driver staff 5 times the size of amd bc of their budget....and yet still showing less api gains than AMD. Try to think with your brain about that and stop living in denial

I got a 1080 and its true. I think Nvidia cards were already maxed out to their potential when AMD Cards start seeing great results in dx12 and vulkan. It just puts all that power to use that was being inefficient before. But yea some people are in denial if they think that AMD doesn't have a benefit and a leg up here in dx12 department. And if Vega is already competing with dx11 titles with pascal it will just become that much faster when its able to crunch out better numbers in dx12.

thats all up in the air but I am waiting to see how that plays out. That might be the card I get in the future if its going to have a longer life span.

 

[Trimlock]

The only reason I'm considering a 1060 is due to them having AIBs already, AMD wtf, I want customs plz.

 

[Terpfen]

1070 is best buy at 1440p
480 is best buy at 1080p

Anyone who doesnt see that is either uninformed or has a brand bias affecting their judgement

Personally, I don't think the mid-range has improved enough over the previous two gens to be worth $199-$299. My 780 is getting long in the tooth, but I'm probably waiting another year to upgrade.

 

[Shintai]

Warhammer with update and GOW are DX12 titles and they have a similar trend. If we see the same trend in the Elder scrolls DX12 update, would that be enough of a trend?

Warhammer DX12 is half broken at best, unless my 1080 is supposed to run with 70-85% GPU utilization and 60-70% TDP load.. And we know with Vulkan there is a special AMD path and nothing for Nvidia yet, but its coming. There is still a long way before anything can be declared. Specially with heavily influenced titles.

 

[Trimlock]

I got a 1080 and its true. I think Nvidia cards were already maxed out to their potential when AMD Cards start seeing great results in dx12 and vulkan. It just puts all that power to use that was being inefficient before. But yea some people are in denial if they think that AMD doesn't have a benefit and a leg up here in dx12 department. And if Vega is already competing with dx11 titles with pascal it will just become that much faster when its able to crunch out better numbers in dx12.

thats all up in the air but I am waiting to see how that plays out. That might be the card I get in the future if its going to have a longer life span.

AMD has a more complicated pipeline where nvidia has a simpler one. It's very easy to write to their architecture, not to mention the sheer number of dollars they put into developer support.

AMD has had this async compute in their belt for a while but they had zero way to get people to use it. Now that they do you can see developers start to take advantage of some of the efficiencies AMD had.

 

[Shintai]

Joker question for you,

Was I right about you buying a 1080 "founders edition" ?

Why do you think nvidia is ignoring dx12/vulcan support unlike amd? They probably have a driver staff 5 times the size of amd bc of their budget....and yet still showing less api gains than AMD. Try to think with your brain about that and stop living in denial

Nvidia was asked about this, and they was surprised that AMD got the influence they got in certain titles to get a temporary advantage. Some titles like Warhammer for example almost smell like sabotage tho.

 

[jardows]

A few years ago, whether you purchased NV or AMD card was largely based on the games you played. For the last few years, it has been perf/watt or price/perf ratios. Looks like the age of "which games do you play?" will be the new question on whether you get AMD or NV.

I'd really like to see a few more games to compare these to. I really hope you plan on benching Deus Ex:Mankind Divided when it comes out!

 

[RAutrey]

OMG... Will the incessant whining, bitching and moaning ever stop around here?

That's a solid review. I'm not sure what some folks are crying about. How long do you think it takes to collect and concentrate data via real world gameplay? I was pleased to see Doom/Vulkan included. If I was going HTPC it would be the 1060. 480 earns the budget pc real estate though.

 

[Trimlock]

Warhammer DX12 is half broken at best, unless my 1080 is supposed to run with 70-85% GPU utilization and 60-70% TDP load.. And we know with Vulkan there is a special AMD path and nothing for Nvidia yet, but its coming. There is still a long way before anything can be declared. Specially with heavily influenced titles.

"Special" AMD path? Did AMD create their own propriety version of AC?

 

[Deleted whining member 223597]

Personally, I don't think the mid-range has improved enough over the previous two gens to be worth $199-$299. My 780 is getting long in the tooth, but I'm probably waiting another year to upgrade.

Your GTX 780 was never mid range unless you bought it after the 780Ti came out. A 1060/RX480 is around 50% better than that card. The 1060/RX480 will destroy any actual midrange card from the past 1-2 years. The GTX 1070 is the real winner this generation IMO, when we can finally get it around $380.

 

[NKD]

I'd buy a GTX1060 @ $249 (it's really not a bad choice at that price, but anything more is pushing it to crazy levels), but I'm giving AMD one more week to get $199 RX 480s in stock. ONE WEEK!!!

You are right. Fricking only reason I bought one for 249 on bestbuy. I wanted the 4gb rx480 for 199.99, doesn't matter if I could flash it or not. But I didn't want to be stuck waiting. So I pulled the trigger now I have 30 days if I see that I might return it and purchase that but I think I might just keep this since I am lazy. I tried buying it at 5:30 when I kept waking up lol, but it said out of stock. I think it wasn't suppose to be sellable until 6. I woke up again at 6:05 or so and tried buying it then and It accepted my order. I was like shit it worked. I was under the assumption it sold out already. HAHAHA, cuz it said first time due to high demand the product is sold out. I guess it was just unavailable to be purchased until 6 but stock was refreshed before 6. Now its getting ready for shipment it says.

 

[Shintai]

A few years ago, whether you purchased NV or AMD card was largely based on the games you played. For the last few years, it has been perf/watt or price/perf ratios. Looks like the age of "which games do you play?" will be the new question on whether you get AMD or NV.

I'd really like to see a few more games to compare these to. I really hope you plan on benching Deus Ex:Mankind Divided when it comes out!

This is one of the big issues with low level APIs. All the work has to be done at the developer. So if you sponsor a developer, the result will be much more significant than just adding more tessellation for example in terms of benefitting one IHV over another. You also notice a lot of them lack the ability to run on Intel DX12 IGPs. Simply because there is no path for it.

 

[Zion Halcyon]

Brent was comparing the 1060 and 480--I'd say the 1070 is definitely the best buy for 1440p...if you can find it for a reasonable price.

Indeed, my bad there.

 

[sleepybp]

"Your GTX 780 was never mid range unless you bought it after the 780Ti came out. A 1060/RX480 is around 50% better than that card. The 1060/RX480 will destroy any actual midrange card from the past 1-2 years. The GTX 1070 is the real winner this generation IMO, when we can finally get it around $380."

Couldn't have said it better myself. Terpfen is comparing a $400+ high end card to a $200-$250 mid range card. If you want to see the generations improvements you will have too look at the high end like your 780 was, and that would be 1070/1080 and Vega when released.

Also agree about the 1070 being a huge winner. That 1070 is a monster and well worth $380 when it comes down to msrp. I don't want to be a sucker and pay $50 over msrp so wait I shall....

My only decision now is if 480 performance is enough for me at 1080P and $260 aib price, or spend extra $120 for 1070 performance. The 480 is perfect for my current 1080P but I plan to get 1440P monitor around black friday. I really wish 1070/Nvidia would work with freesync monitor option

 

[17seconds]

add rotr to that released async compute recently. ADD battlefield one and dues ex coming out this year to add to that and then civilization 6 those, there may be more...

Why do people seem to ignore the actual performance numbers on ROTR? The GTX 1060 is faster under DirectX 12 with the same lead over the 480 as it has in DirectX 11. The 480 gains nothing in DirectX 12 in that non-AMD game. But fire up one of the AMD titles (all the other ones listed), and suddenly the future belongs to AMD.

Isn't it also a reasonable conclusion to state that AMD games favor AMD hardware? Without a neutral benchmark, I'm going to assume that Nvidia's preemption hardware works fine and the ROTR results have as much validity to the future as AotS and Hitman do.

 

[sleepybp]

"Why do people seem to ignore the actual performance numbers on ROTR? The GTX 1060 is faster under DirectX 12 with the same lead over the 480 as it has in DirectX 11. The 480 gains nothing in DirectX 12 in that non-AMD game. But fire up one of the AMD titles (all the other ones listed), and suddenly the future belongs to AMD.

Isn't it also a reasonable conclusion to state that AMD games favor AMD hardware? Without a neutral benchmark, I'm going to assume that Nvidia's preemption hardware works fine and the ROTR results have as much validity to the future as AotS and Hitman do."

Let me tell you why the short answer to your question is NO.

ROTR is horribly coded for DX12. If you look at the performance increase even on the Nvidia cards, I'm pretty sure it is nearly nothing bc it was not coded well. So the poor DX12 improvements show equally poor gains on both amd and nvidia cards in ROTR.

On the other hand, there are games that have been coded properly to show DX12 gains on AMD. I do not believe there are any that show large gains on Nvidia in DX12, except perhaps vulkan/doom with good gains on nvidia, but better gains on amd still.