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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Founders Edition Review @ [H]
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Yes and no.
The RX480s have been hard to come by in terms of stock since launch day. Hence, per supply and demand, they're now selling above MSRP (if you can find them).
On the other hand, if you weren't in a coma on launch day, it was fairly easy (trivial, in fact) to get an RX480 at MSRP. I got an XFX 8GB model for MSRP of $239 from Newegg mid-morning on launch day. And I didn't do anything special - just went to Newegg, add to cart, and checked out.
The 1080s and 1070s (and now, seemingly 1060s as well) are not only rare in terms of quantity, but even rarer to see anywhere close to MSRP. So while both team green and team red have supply 'problems' at this point, at least with team red you *could* get their product at the claimed MSRP, while it is seemingly impossible to do with team green.
Which is too bad, because I kind of had my heart set on an AIB 1070 at $379
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DX12 / Vulkan is the future. I tend to buy things that cater to future tech and I never trust canned benchmarks. With that said the GTX 1060 is a fine card for the money; just lags behind the RX 480 when it comes to the most cutting edge gaming. In my opinion that makes the RX 480 a better card overall. But the GTX 1060 is a nice card; Nvidia really needs to work on recovering that 25% - 35% lost performance from AAA DX12 / Vulkan gaming titles. My next two purchases will be Civilization VI and Deus Ex Mankind Divided and both of them use the new APIs.
I just bought the crappiest cooler version of 1060 bc it was only one in stock not over $300 on newegg.
It's the zotac mini 1060, and I couldn't help myself from buying it because it was only $231 with shipping after $25 paybal purchase coupon code.
I was really hoping to buy a 480 aib, but since they are delayed and will likely cost more than what I paid here I'm just going to enjoy the early release. Damn you AMD..... why did you make me do this!?
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 Mini, ZT-P10600A-10L, 6GB GDDR5 Super Compact-Newegg.com
use coupon code : PP2016BTS for $25 off when paying with paypal only
It is currently in stock
FYI: Incoming evga gtx 770 ACX on the for sale forum next Monday
It's the zotac mini 1060, and I couldn't help myself from buying it because it was only $231 with shipping after $25 paybal purchase coupon code.
I was really hoping to buy a 480 aib, but since they are delayed and will likely cost more than what I paid here I'm just going to enjoy the early release. Damn you AMD..... why did you make me do this!?
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 Mini, ZT-P10600A-10L, 6GB GDDR5 Super Compact-Newegg.com
use coupon code : PP2016BTS for $25 off when paying with paypal only
It is currently in stock
FYI: Incoming evga gtx 770 ACX on the for sale forum next Monday
Ieldra
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I just bought the crappiest cooler version of 1060 bc it was only one in stock not over $300 on newegg.
It's the zotac mini 1060, and I couldn't help myself from buying it because it was only $231 with shipping after $25 paybal purchase coupon code.
I was really hoping to buy a 480 aib, but since they are delayed and will likely cost more than what I paid here I'm just going to enjoy the early release. Damn you AMD..... why did you make me do this!?
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 Mini, ZT-P10600A-10L, 6GB GDDR5 Super Compact-Newegg.com
use coupon code : PP2016BTS for $25 off when paying with paypal only
It is currently in stock
FYI: Incoming evga gtx 770 ACX on the for sale forum next Monday
This is what a sane person does! It makes no sense buying the price gouged ones. I think the past few launches must have been the only ones I've followed on forums, because I'm surprised by people's surprise at price gouging lol. Every newly launched card is expensive initially, it's totally normal, you *can* find cards for much cheaper, as I've shown.
You can buy an amp 1060 with the dual fan cooler for 280 euro, or an msi gaming x from another shop at 370 lol!
Plus the fact that all the cards OC pretty much the same means so long as the cooling solution handle a measly 200w with acceptable temperatures, you're good for bios modding and giving the chip another 30% headroom. I honestly expect the average overclock once power limit is lifted will be around 2100mhz on these cards, + vram overclocking just like on 1070. Should be fun to tweak
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Well... Judging by Time Spy scores GTX 1060 has pretty good future.
I don't understand, how can the 1060 have a pretty good future yet the 480 does not? That's all I've been hearing in this thread is 480 future bashing? Can't have it both ways....
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Wow, the Nvidia fanboy butthurt is incredible.
Yes, looking immediately forward, it seems that the 480 is a better choice, unless a few measly watts bother you. If you say 480 is hot and uses too much power, it's the same as the 970, which was universally praised.
7970 joker, you are clutching at straws dude. I guess you bashed the 970 too, which was universally praised at the same power figures!? AMD ain't so flash on the power usage this generation around, however it's not the end of the world either.
DX12/Vulkan is the future. Why wouldn't someone run Vulkan when it's better and doesn't require Win10?
Also SLI or not should be still an option, not a 'no you can't'.
Time spy scores? You serious? That's been shown to be questionable at best when trying to compare both camps. Besides, I don't know anyone who is an expert time spy player..
Yes, looking immediately forward, it seems that the 480 is a better choice, unless a few measly watts bother you. If you say 480 is hot and uses too much power, it's the same as the 970, which was universally praised.
7970 joker, you are clutching at straws dude. I guess you bashed the 970 too, which was universally praised at the same power figures!? AMD ain't so flash on the power usage this generation around, however it's not the end of the world either.
DX12/Vulkan is the future. Why wouldn't someone run Vulkan when it's better and doesn't require Win10?
Also SLI or not should be still an option, not a 'no you can't'.
Time spy scores? You serious? That's been shown to be questionable at best when trying to compare both camps. Besides, I don't know anyone who is an expert time spy player..
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For the same reason OpenGL isn't used and all the hopes and predictions for that. Anyone dreaming of Vulkan as the big future is fooling themselves. The only low level API that matters on the PC is DX12. And outside the PC it looks bad as well. Apple goes for metal. They are even dumping OpenCL now so that one enters the long row of unused APIs that people of "open" APIs had so big dreams about.
ID/Valve is pretty much the only ones that will ever touch Vulkan on the PC. And its just a waste instead of going straight to DX12.
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Yes, Time Spy is the best game I've played in years. Can't wait for another go this evening!
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AotS is also a great game that I play all the time. Oh wait.
You mean it's not relevant? I thought me playing this AAA shooter called Doom just awhile ago is pretty relevant.
I also have over a hundred hours in Total War Warhammer, the nice min FPS in huge battles is really relevant too.
Heck, even Quantum Break, a AAA third person story shooter I enjoyed (as much as Rise of the Tomb Raider) was also relevant.
In the coming months, when we get the likes of Halo Wars 2, Battlefield 1, Deus Ex Mankind Divided and Gears of Wars 4 (On PC same as Xbox for once!!)... I'm sure those are going to be very relevant.
Who the hell plays Crysis 3 or Dying Light anymore?
The RX 480 is good for now, great for the future. Made to excel in DX12 & Vulkan and has 8 GB of vram. Can't say the same for the 1060.
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Yes, I like playing that also! My nephew and I teamed up to go against 3 A.I. I believe last month. We had tons of fun! Do you play AOTS with others or solo? Glad to meet another gamer that actually plays the game instead of just running the benchmark!
I don't understand all the hate for AoTS. I enjoy playing skirmishes in it. It's like SupCom but newer and a little different.
It's not just a benchmark.
Just because Joe Schmo don't like it doesn't mean it's "just a benchmark" and "nobody plays it".
On topic though, I enjoyed the 1060 review and format. I'm glad the performance doesn't butcher the RX 480. We need competition.
It's not just a benchmark.
Just because Joe Schmo don't like it doesn't mean it's "just a benchmark" and "nobody plays it".
On topic though, I enjoyed the 1060 review and format. I'm glad the performance doesn't butcher the RX 480. We need competition.
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As I've said before, I believe shops that have traditionally used OGL will move to Vulkan and those on DX 11 to DX 12. Yes, the Windows 10 only nature of DX 12 might slow it down a little but Windows 7 as a gaming on OS has been on a pretty steep decline. With the end of the Windows 10 free update, that'll probably slow down a little but few new gaming machines coming online will be running Windows 7, it will eventually age out for gaming like Windows XP.
Doom works fine in OpenGL on nvidia cards. I finished it before the Vulkan patch came out a few days after release. Warhammer works fine in DX11 too (since release), neither Vulkan nor DX12 brings any real benefit on those games (visuals are the same, performance is not night and day) besides making it work the way it should on AMD hardware due to poor DX11/OpenGL drivers. RotR looks and runs better in DX11 with the VXAO which doesn't work in DX12. We will see about those upcoming games. For example we have nothing that proves BF1 will look better in DX12 (and the DX11 performance in the beta is fantastic already).
So yes I stand by what I said. If you have nvidia hardware right now Vulkan or DX12 doesn't matter, we need games built on DX12/Vulkan (rather that games patched to DX12/Vulkan) and/or having exclusive DX12 features (good multi-GPU could be one of them) for it to be something that really matters.
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This is why it's irrelevant as a game. ~129 avg. players. The most people that ever played it at once was 723.
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The 1060 turned out underwhelming. I guess after the great 1080 and 1070 showing it was easy to be spoiled. 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Still, Nvidia needs to work on their drivers. It's silly that it's still using such an version of the vulkan libraries. Their performance in Doom was abysmal. They've been slipping as Nvidia has always been regarded as being on top of the driver game. I wonder if they have too many irons in the fire and have spread themselves thin. All these new cards on a new node with 3 different memory types released in quick succession trying to optimize all at once. GP100, GP104, GP106, and GP102 waiting in the wings.
970 is discounted, 1060 obviously won't be discounted yet but there will be sales eventually. R9 390 had sales last fall and it came out last summer, real sales other than going out of stock in less than an hour due to a frenzy.
I had to create an account for this.... I detest bad math
13 cents per kilowatt hour
40 watts = 0.040 kw
40 hours per week of gaming (gaming is a full time job)
40 * 0.040= 1.6 kwh per week
1.6 kwh/week * 13 cents/kwh = 20.8 cents/week
50 weeks/year * 20.8 cents/week = 1040 cents/year
or... about $10 a year more to use 40 hours per week
add ~20% more if you need to cool that with air conditioning year round
There are 52 weeks in a year.
I rounded since I did the math in my head, sorry
Don't cheat people out of that 41.6 cents savings.
Just wait till **insert future tech not heavily utilized** kicks in. Then the **insert AMD product** will REALLY shine.
Wasn't everyone using the same damn argument for the 390? - DX12 ZOMG SO MUCH FASTER THAN NVIDIA! - How'd that work out for you guys? That 390 kicking the crap out of nVidia cards yet? How about we start focusing on delivered performance and not potential performance? The GTX 1060 is a bit lackluster IMO, but if nvidia DOES improve their drivers I'm sure it will siphon sales from the 480.
Wasn't everyone using the same damn argument for the 390? - DX12 ZOMG SO MUCH FASTER THAN NVIDIA! - How'd that work out for you guys? That 390 kicking the crap out of nVidia cards yet? How about we start focusing on delivered performance and not potential performance? The GTX 1060 is a bit lackluster IMO, but if nvidia DOES improve their drivers I'm sure it will siphon sales from the 480.
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Yea, I don't view the power savings as important. What is important to me is that I'm not sweating my balls off mid-summer every time I play a game for more than an hour. Not saying 120vs 140 watts makes much difference in that regard, but 500W->180W definitely is a huge tangible difference to my testicular comfort, especially since the room my PC is in doesn't get enough AC juice. It might also matter to people with lower end power supplies or whatever, but again I don't think 20-50W is a huge deal. I think the perf per watt matters, especially when the differences are huge, but when you start talking about a couple watts it ceases to really be an important metric. That said... if all else is well and truly equal (and it never is) of course I'd save the power.
Are you also assuming AMD won't improve their drivers as well? Try and enjoy the close performance and parity as this is what a true non-fan boy wants.
The estimate wasn't precise enough for the use of 50 weeks as a year to matter.
The primary source of variation, for people in the 48 contiguous states, is probably the estimate of hours per week spent gaming. For some people 40 hours is too high. For others it may be too low.
Outside the "lower 48" the primary source of variation may be the cost of electricity. On some islands of Hawaii, electricity costs over $0.35 per kW-hour.
Outside the US, rates vary from as low as under 1 cent (really) to as high as $1 per kW hour.
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no one is going to build dx12 and Vulcan games from scratch until the Consoles are compatible. the xbox one just isn't popular enough yet to warrant that kind of investment. Maybe if both the NEO/Scorpio take off that will change, and even then you are looking at another 2 or 3 year at best to build the game. so unless you intend to keep your card another 4-5 years it's a waste of time to pick a card on directx 12 or Vulcan performance.
I have no idea what you mean by "from scratch" but you are seriously, I mean seriously wrong. At least for DX12.
And some number of those "players" were probably review sites running benchmarks.
Maybe most of them?
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Just multiply the amount by 2 and add that to the amount you got by multiplying by 50. It's not hardI rounded since I did the math in my head, sorry
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Zarathustra[H]
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Brent Justice said:
The average was clearly much higher for the RX480, but I also noticed that the minimum was pretty low. Did it feel continuous and smooth?
Zarathustra[H]
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Couldn't agree more. Multi-GPU (be it on two separate boards or two GPU's on one board) has a place.
That place is "A single fastest GPU on the market is not fast enough so I need two"
Using two slower GPU's instead of a single faster GPU in order to get the same performance is - however - just plain stupidity considering the many drawbacks of multi-GPU implementations.
Some people just have to learn the hard way I guess.
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I rounded since I did the math in my head, sorry
I rounded in my head too. And completely miffed something up
Using an online calculator, looks like $40 a year to run a 40 watt bulb for an entire year.
Zarathustra[H]
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Actually, reading through the article in MANY of the tests, a GPU was crowned the victor in a particular game based - presumably - on average framerate.
I learned a long time ago (like the 90's, possibly from Kyle?) to completely disregard average frame rate (and max frame rate is even less useful of a measure). In most titles (Civ 5 is a notable exception as it is notoriously jerky during between round calculations) I have learned to almost entirely base my decision based on the minimum framerate observed, as that tends to result in a better gaming experience.
In this test - for instance - you ranked the cards:
GTX 980 > GTX 1060 > RX480.
I would argue that they should have been ranked based on minimum framerate, and thus we would have:
RX480 > GTX1060 > GTX980, the exact opposite.
Kyle, Brent, any thoughts on this? Did the ~10fps minimum framerates on the 980 not feel jerky and unplayable compared to the ~30fps minimum framerates on the RX480?
After reading this article - despite me usually buying Nvidia GPU's, I came away with the impression that for $199, most people should just buy the RX480. Its good compared to the 1060, and cheaper!
And I'm glad this is the case, as AMD really needs to be able to sell some of these cards. If the 1060 had crushed the RX480, AMD's financial position would have looked dismal.
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