Nvidia CEO says buying a Gpu without raytracing is crazy...

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  1. Ranger101

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    https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/nvidia-ceo-says-buying-a-gpu-without-ray-tracing-is-just-crazy/

    As an early adopter of RTX (owned an RTX2080 since December last) I have no regrets. I have thoroughly enjoyed tinkering with the tech in supported games and while the framerates and fluidity would certainly not be considered (H)ard, I believe that RTX can greatly improve realism, is not a passing fad and that mass adoption is inevitable. That being said, in its current implementations it's going to be a sub optimal gaming experience for many people and therefore I'm calling BS on Jensen's latest proclamation...
     
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  2. Revdarian

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    Buying anything other than my top of the line most costly items is crazy!
    Please ignore the 1660ti of my own making that's outselling my 2060s due to the better performance /price!

    This is just pr and not really news.
     
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    Hes just too legit ..... the more you buy !!
     
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    "the more you buy the more you save"
     
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  5. DejaWiz

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    Came to post along the lines of this.

    Talk about kicking oneself in the nuts.
     
  6. Snowdog

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    CEO, touts his own product. News at 11 !!! ;)

    Give a CEO a chance to boost his own product, and it shouldn't be a surprise that he will. In the interest of context, it was a question about how well the new "Super" cards were doing, and here is the complete answer:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-corp-nvda-q2-2020-132316773.html

     
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  7. Verge

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    Long leather jackets, Jensen going shopping!!!
     
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    RTX in its current state is like having 256Mb of vram on an FX 5200 :ROFLMAO:
     
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    I've had a 2080 ti for months now and never used it, nor really gave a shit.
    That almost read like a Trump tweet. Just a long ramble of how great everything is.
     
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    They need to dedicate more tensor cores to their CEO AI.
     
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    Already forgot raytracing exists.
     
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    Do I want to play Quake 2 in RTX (YES) Do I want to play Quake 2 at 60FPS (NO)
     
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    Meanwhile...

    On the official Assetto Corsa Forums, a staff member called "Aristotelis" released the following statement on RTX support within Assetto Corsa Competizione. In this statement, he commented that the company had a "long list of priorities" that trumped RTX support. Furthermore, Aristotelis noted that the company had "no reason to steal development resources and time for a very low frame rate implementation" of Assetto Corsa Competizione. His full statement can be read below.
    "Our priority is to improve, optimize, and evolve all aspects of ACC. If after our long list of priorities the level of optimization of the title, and the maturity of the technology, permits a full blown implementation of RTX, we will gladly explore the possibility, but as of now there is no reason to steal development resources and time for a very low frame rate implementation."
     
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  14. Vega

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    Even the best RTX card I have isn't nearly fast enough to make RTX worthwhile.
     
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    Keep trying Nvidia. Maybe someday you will offer something worth upgrading to, but it isn't going to be this generation of graphics cards.
     
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    Up until NV offers a supplemental 1 slot card with a zillion RTX cores that slis to Supers to enable 4k @144 fps rtx , in Crysis, this Christmas.
     
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    Their corporate behavior is beyond reproach. Their products stand on their own. They need not engage in the shitty business practices they do.
     
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  18. ManofGod

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    Yeah, but not as crazy as buying NForce 3 chipsets that intentionally do not support ATI AGP Cards or laptops with Nvidia chips that fail due to heat, well completely denying there is a problem. :D ;)
     
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    Wake me up when they're shipping their 7nm flagship products.
     
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    Wasn't that only some? I have a 939 DFi NF3 UD which pulled some 6800u killing frames back then with an AGP X800XT on the omegas.
     
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    Well yeah, any salesman / businessman is going to tell you that its crazy not to buy their product. lol.
     
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    Its more of a retro experience to play it at 30fps :p
     
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    Umm... Yes, but if you went to a Chevy dealer and he said your stupid if you dont buy a Corvette.... (And you can't afford it and came to look at an suv), how likely are you to do business with him? Just because you want to sell the most expensive thing you have doesn't mean you should piss off people who can't buy it or want something else, especially when the other 90% of your products sit on the lot. A salesman knows how to sell all of his items, not just the bestest most goodest one ;).
     
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    CEO says you'd be crazy not to buy his company's products?

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    This is where context is important. He was specifically asked to tell them how Super cards were going, and what kind of future he was projecting.

    So if you went to a Chevy salesman and asked him about Corvettes and he told you would be crazy to buy alternative super cars, then your analogy would be more inline.
     
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    I honestly have a hard time reading that 'context'. It'd be more like going to a chevy dealer and himranting about how awesome his sales.are without giving any data, then saying you'd be crazy to buy anything else from him, because, it's good and people like it and there's so many parts coming out for the Corvette, and it's the mostest best goodest thing.

    Maybe you could translate and make it sound better..
    "For -- and at this point, it's a forgone conclusion that we're going to buy a new graphics card and it's going to last through two years, three years ,four years to not have ray tracing is just crazy. In a ray tracing content, it just keeps coming out and and between the performance of Super and the fact that it has ray tracing hardware, it's going to be super well positioned for through all of next year."
    So, is he or is he not saying nobody should buy his 1660ti and lower anymore? It's a foregone conclusion.... Not sure what is, he never actually defines the conclusion; reads more like a 6 year old talking about how good Christmas will be than a CEO talking seriously about his products.
    How can you read that and take him seriously. Maybe it's a translation/second language thing, but this is why companies hire PR people.
     
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    Immersion is a funny thing. I think raytracing is neat, but developers seem to overdo the effect. In the games I've seen with raytracing turned on, the rendered scene is either too dark (to allow you to see the raytrace effect) or the effect is neon bright (to allow you to see the raytrace effect.) It's too much, and just for the sake of the effect. It's like women who draw in false eyebrow arches - too much is unnatural.

    I remember when World of Warcraft came out it was designed to run on low-end systems. The world was very cartoon-like, but Blizzard spent their graphics power wisely. The thing they really concentrated on was how things moved - how players moved, how players danced, how animals moved, how birds flew, even little things like how chickens, squirrels and rabbits cavorted. It created an immersive effect on a very low budget.

    Raytracing is awesome, but I'd rather see better physics.
     
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    if it is crazy to buy a card without ray tracing theres a simple fix.Give them away and problem solved.
     
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    And it is crazy to spend 1100 bux on a damn video card.

    I would buy 2 5700's for Xfire before I would buy a 2080ti all day long and twice on Sunday.
     
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    Not likely, I can't afford the SUV either :(
     
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    That a good point Dr.
    The effective death of sli/xfire precluding the rtx release was perfect timing for nvidia. There were/are so few options in the gpu market already. Not having the realistic option of going sli or xfire vs getting forced into an rtx upgrade if you wanted better performance made it all the more distasteful.
     
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    The context was the question: "...A couple of questions, I guess the first one is Jensen , if you have any, I guess high level qualitative commentary on how the new Super upgrades of your Turing platform has been received in the market and how you might think about them progressing through the year..."

    From that we got the: Super is awesome, selling awesome, and you shouldn't buy anything else but Super, response, in off the cuff rant.

    I am NOT defending the wording of the rant, just pointing out that it was not an unsolicited rant about Super/RTX. It was responding to a specific query.

    So your Corvette analogy really only applies if you ask a leading question about how Corvette has been selling/reviewed and how you expect to do the rest of the year.
     
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    of course jenny wants you to buy rtx.

    ftfy. always square, never round brackets. ;)
     
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    But when the game was out I was using an Obsidian X-24 Voodoo2 so I have never seen it below 90FPS :D
     
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    You could be right about it being just some but, I have not forgotten. ;)
     
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    Not a single game I am interested in has RTX and I have a 1080Ti so no upgrading any time soon for me. I might actually be CPU bound now with my 6700K.
     
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    My bad...serious blunder....square brackets going forward I promise ☺
     
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    CEO thinks you should buy his the newest product

    Huh :unsure:
     
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