NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang Dismisses the Radeon VII as "Underwhelming"

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  1. glutto

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    As long as the VII doesn't explode and catch fire they'll do okay.

    ...and I quite enjoy Freesync, and I did very little research into my monitor except look for the Freesync logo.
     
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    It would only maybe force the NVIDIA prices down if it was $100 cheaper but it's not.
     
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  3. EODetroit

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    AMD is underwhelming. But I think [H] showed Freesync worked just as well as G-Sync and RTX cards are way overpriced. The rest of what he said I think are hard truths some people are having a hard time accepting.
     
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    It's really interesting what AMD has been doing on marketing.

    Why would you spend millions in brand development and trying to reach the consumer with a whole new line of hardware and naming nomenclatures, when you can just get close to your competitor's marketing strategies and always with a slightly lower price.

    In CPU naming, R3, R5 and R7 was pretty obvious since the beginning, so was their motherboard chipset portfolio , but now I've just realized why the change in GPU naming. Instead of R9, just use the consistency of the GTX gaming lineup and make the Radeon version of it.

    Not only it makes easier for the consumer to identify the price point and make the correct comparison when deciding their purchase (r5 vs i5, GTX vs RX), but also they force Intel and NVIDIA to step up their marketing ( more expenses for them), it's brilliant.

    Dr. Su using a leather jacket when presenting a GPU is not a coincidence

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    Edit: redaction errors A.D.D level
     
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  5. Deimos

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    The first thing I thought of when reading those comments was [H] blind nV / AMD article. Also, if freesync is so crap, why are major TV manufacturers now including it in some of the higher end models?

    TBH I am a little disappointed in AMD's new card. I'm ready to move on from my 1080Ti SLI setup and I'll be damned if I'm going to buy a 2080Ti.
     
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    "it just works" guy poo pooing competitions card shocker.

    Also taking sly digs at Intel, might come back to bite him in the ass in a year or so time.
     
  7. HockeyJon

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    "And if we turn on ray tracing we'll crush it,"

    Because gamers are lining up to play BFV at 20fps!
     
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  8. Chris_B

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    Because he's talking out of his ass .:)
     
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    Don't forget dlss......that still hasnt made an appearance in a game yet.
     
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  10. Lakados

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    But nVidia padded their pricing, got the early adopters at the higher price so they can afford to price theirs lower than AMD's at this point to make theirs the clear choice AMD with the smaller margins from their cards can't as easily afford to drop the prices so they will probably offer gaming bundles to prop up the value of the card purchase. In either event come March we should see some changes that will only benefit us all.
     
  11. Krenum

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    Me either, So...were left with a Vega 56, you can get one at Newegg right now for $332. Powercolor Red Dragon model.
     
  12. HockeyJon

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    Yeah, but this Nvidia launch was way too much like we've been seeing from "AAA" game studios recently. Promise a bunch of crap, launch a buggy product that doesn't exactly work as advertised just to meet a launch date, and then patch functionality so it's launch ready 4 months after it actually launched.

    Yes, to be fair, Nvidia doesn't have control over how game programmers make their stuff, but they're also asking people to invest a lot of money on what is essentially a leap of faith that the product they are buying today is going to ultimately deliver the features that they want to use.
     
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    the fact that he's commenting on it means he's worried...
     
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    ^ Yup to me that mean's it's competitive. When Vega came out I don't think he said anything because he didn't see it as anywhere as competitive. Feel like Nvidia is getting bit hard by the current market down turn. The 2080ti is selling out, but the rest of the cards seem to be well stocked (first time in years haven't needed a in-stock tracker). Nvidia as a company should do well, but as a stock they could be in real trouble the next few quarters.
     
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    I must be the only person who looks at side by side videos of RTX On Vs Off and can't tell the difference. Something about shadows...whatever. More frames please.
     
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    Haha, what a little bitch...Competition releases an updated competitive chip and all he can do is trashtalk before even testing it. Nvidia has the performance crown for sure at the top, so why shit all over the launch of the smaller player? Dick move by Leather Daddy, I guess its par for the course at this point though, his ego was hurt, so he had to come out swingin'. As with Vega, 7 is gonna suck the power down, looking forward to some liquid cooled reviews coming up, I wonder what it will clock to under a block? 1900-2000 Mhz sure would be nice!
     
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    What a class act.

    Put me down for more AMD. I will not labor to make a man like that any wealthier.
     
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    That's not even a word, Huang, and someone tell him his jacket is "underwhelming" too.

    Even though I do love ray tracing and it's future implications for VR.
     
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    That high-end software pack adds some value. Doesn't matter to me but to many it might.
    Stated 25% improvement at the same power sounds good except when one remembers Vegas power #'s, and doesn't give me much hope in OC'ing headroom.
    Does 16GB give any clear advantages over a 8GB 2080? Maybe in VR cases?
     
  20. Krenum

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    Not a very nice way to treat a family member. Say something nice, or don't say it at all. He should be proud of her accomplishments. I liked Lisa's response to Ray Tracing though, basically saying "Were not going to rush into anything like our competitor did". "We need the entire ecosystem on par Software / Hardware before we release it to the public". Wise decision Lisa.
     
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  22. KazeoHin

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    I mean, he's not wrong...
     
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    Allowing FreeSync monitors to work on Nvidia cards seemed unusual of move from the Nvidia that I've read about in at least the past ten years.

    Something seemed self preserving that move, just to see AMD drop a 7nm refresh of their current architecture and it can flex its muscles evenly with the 2080.

    Just to see the equivelant of a "Why won't they leave Nvidia aloooone!!" CEO response. It may sound like bravado, but why bother, if your competition ain't shit, you don't give them any form of extensive lip service.
     
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  24. Danny Dawg

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    Nice show for the stockholders Jensen. ... make them feel better about their recent losses.
     
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    Is this thing gonna support HDMI 2.1?
     
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  26. Skiddywinks

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    True for the whole of the RTX range really. Pricing is insane, and no articles really talk about it other than a few lines about "Oh, pricing isn't too good, 4.5/5". Pricing is shocking, has been for years, and is in crazy territory now.
     
  27. Deimos

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    Why thank you, captain obvious.
     
  28. Deimos

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    You know what, I might still get one for the HTPC/VR setup since that rig is still rocking a 1080. Will wait for the reviews.
     
  29. Krenum

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    Saying that the worlds first 7nm GPU is underwhelming is pretty funny considering Nvidia's recent issues with Ray Tracing.
     
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  30. ManofGod

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    Nope, and your opinion is wrong. :) :rolleyes:
     
  31. aokman

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    To be fair to NVIDIA, the issue with ray tracing isnt the hardware, its lazy ass developers.
     
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  32. ManofGod

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    Well, a good looking, ray traced space invaders game for free, that was something. :D
     
  33. filip

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    You know what this Jensen Huang guy is pissing me off with his shit. FPS tanking technology for years, spouting bs about free-sync, calling performance before it is released. I'm good on buying Nvidia products he can keep all the "tech" for himself.
     
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  34. Teenk9

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    I know, right? I mean all that money and all they could do was Space Invaders?!
     
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    We would not have seen a 7nm consumer Vega otherwise.

    This is probably “overstock” from a minimum order of MI50 cards. Where AMD has to make at least some 5-digit number of them at once to get economies of scale... and AMD would much rather sell them through instead of sit on them.

    I think the VII is a bad graphics card (same for RTX cards sans the 2080ti (highest performing GPU almost always has a place))... but for people like me who refuse to buy Nvidia, but want higher performance, it is an acceptable card.

    For anyone who does Work that runs on ROCm/AMD and needs FP64 this is an awesome card. For the dozen people, maybe two dozen?

    As for Freesync... cheap Freesync monitors are cheap and have issues!! Expensive Freesync monitors are fine (least mine two are).

    I would prefer even the cheap $125 freesync monitor have a larger refresh range, and/or have fewer issues.... but it is miles ahead of no variable refresh rate at all!
     
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    Last time I looked, space invaders was a hardware fault with the card and had nothing to do with the ray tracing cores or optimisation...
     
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  37. Lakados

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    Everybody loves lower prices but at those numbers that wouldn’t be “better value” that would be total market disruption. A 2080 at $600 would put the 2060 in the < $200 mark which would make every previous gen component completely unsellable. NVidia’s partners would shit a brick, not to mention the fact given the yields on the 2000 series and their die sizes paired with the costs with GDDR6 I’m not even sure they would be breaking even at that point.
     
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  38. Californian

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    I’m not convinced that there is room to do either of those and keep margins up.

    At $350, Nvidia Is probably selling the die to AIBs for 130-160 dollars. Probably costs 40-50 dollars to make and package.
    Best case as is, it is just over their overall margins.


    Why is everyone shocked prices are going up?
    Jensen said he wanted to increase the ASP of GeForce cards 50-100%+ not even two years ago.
     
  39. Krenum

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    The issue with Ray Tracing isn't an issue the technique is great!, Nvidia made it the issue by pushing it out the door before they had the software side ironed out and yes, developers on board. So, I guess, in the end, it is Nvidia's fault for pushing it too soon. They counted their chickens before the eggs had time to hatch.
     
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    I predict ray tracing still won't be viable in 2021. People with a $1000 card have no interest in running a game at 1080p.
     
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