NVIDIA Announces The New Titan X

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  1. melk

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    By all means do whatever floats your boat, and maybe 5X is different in this regard but I know on my 970 overclocking the memory does next to nothing for more performance except an easy way to introduce glitch/artifacts. I got far more out of cranking power and voltage to the max and chasing core clock speed.
     
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    If you unlock your power limit there's no reason not to. I never had much luck on Maxwell but on Pascal I can OC the memory. It also differs game to game. You can't really trust firestrike because it doesn't use much VRAM.

    If you don't unlock power limit a VRAM overclock could cause your card to throttle the core... VRAM OC helps a little but not as much as the core.
     
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    Not sure if Time Spy is indicative for true games, but I got a 3% graphics test boost from +550 memory OC (core +200): comparison here.
     
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    Everything Ive read says that Pascal loves memory bandwidth... Its why its a shame that Titan didnt get HMB2. Right now Im at 525GB/s memory bandwitdth, can you imagine what over TB would have been like???
     
  5. Rizen

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    Maybe? But I am playing on a 144hz monitor and Overwatch @ Epic settings will push that 100% of the time, what games are you playing and what refresh rate?
     
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    There's been a bit of debate recently over whether it'd actually help in gaming, certainly with what's out right now.

    I think when DX12 games really mature, being able to really fully saturate a card's bandwidth will become a thing and HBM will have its time I'd say...
     
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    ARK @ 1440p/144Hz - game doesn't budge past 60 FPS much even with TITAN X (Pascal) but it's 100% utilizing one GPU. I'm basically playing single card because I have not enabled the SLI "hack".
     
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    Nvidia's compression techniques mean that HBM2 wouldn't have nearly the benefit you think it would. You're already getting better-than-specced memory performance.
     
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    I did some testing in Tomb Raider with the 1080 and I went +10%/-10% OC and got something like +3%/-6% performance. VRAM sat between 6-7.8GB depending on the scene. So nVidia definitely put it into diminishing returns land for VRAM bandwidth. Going on that curve +20% would give you +4.5%, +30% would be 5.25%, +40% OC would be ~5.5%.

    And leldra has pointed out the Titan X (Pascal) has 8% more bandwidth per performance. So the Titan is even less constrained.

    nVidia isn't stupid. They aren't going to add a part that has limited supply and extra cost for negligible gains. That was my problem with the Fury X months and months before it launched. It didn't make sense.
     
  10. Rizen

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    What's your fan curve?

    For that matter, what fan curve are you guys running? I'm going to try this out today - just made it a bit more aggressive.

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  11. sk3tch

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    Mine is a lot more aggressive - probably explains it. I wear headphones when I game.

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  12. Armenius

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    Mine looks like sk3tch's, though I should flatten it out near the top end. During a long gaming session with RotTR it will be running at 94% fan with the core holding just about 79C.
     
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    Yeah, that's definitely the impression I'm getting.

    The Fury X with HBM would have only made sense if the performance justified it, which we all saw it totally didn't. And even if it did, then you'd find 4GB is not enough. HBM on that card made no sense from any consumer perspective. HBM will get here when it's needed, but right now it's not evidently.
     
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    Looks like voltage tweaking could net a pretty good increase in clock speeds, guru3d got about an extra 100MHz with their special beta version of MSI afterburner that allows voltage tweaking. I hope they hurry up and release it to the public soon.

    Nvidia Titan X (Pascal) Extended Overclock Guide
     
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    I was just reading that. This card just keeps on giving.
     
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  16. Zarathustra[H]

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    So, they are using an internal unreleased build of MSI Afterburner to unlock voltage control. Sounds promising.
     
  17. Zarathustra[H]

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    :eek:

    That doesn't sound safe...
     
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    Dear lord AMD is getting punched in the dick. I'm actually really impressed with the Titan. Interested to see what they can do with the next gen...
     
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    Ordered EK block and backplate tonight. Haven't watercooled my video card(s) since I had 5870 CFX, but this board really seems like it will benefit with the way GPU Boost is working. And I'm already in it for $1200, might as well :)
     
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    Interesting points. If they sold it at the usual Canadian online retailers and had custom models, I'd be OK to get a pair for $1200 USD each.

    Buying from nvidia.com I have to pay an extra 9.5% tax, but my main issue is the cooler. I'm really enjoying the silent open-air cooler on my custom GTX 1080's right now. I wouldn't mind a 20-30% fps increase though.

    Is everyone here boosting to 2000 MHz on their Titan X Pascals with SLI and reference coolers? What do they boost to stock?

    Thanks!!
     
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    Please post pics and your impressions when you get it up and running.
     
  22. Armenius

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    I'm not able to get mine to 2 GHz, but I'm still dialing it in. It boosts between 1600 and 1700 MHz completely stock. It goes up to 1823 MHz by just increasing the power and temp targets to maximum and using an aggressive fan curve.
     
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    The EK block is the last thing I'm waiting for to get my first WC build up and running so I am excited.

    This being my first WC build you'll probably be up and running before I am, as I still ahve to figure out routing, where to place my bleed, drain fill ports etc, but I have a pretty good plan. May require some case modding though.
     
  24. Zarathustra[H]

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    Mine hits just over 2000 (2002? I can't remember) every once in a while with +160 (which seems to be my max at stock voltage with stock cooler, and we can't change voltage yet) but then settles in at 1987. Once we get voltage control (reportedly in an upcoming Afterburner release) I'm hoping to hit higher. With my EK block (when it arrives) and voltage control I'm hoping for some kickass clocks, though I feel the +20% power limit is going to be a big limitation until we have bios customization.
     
  25. fomoz

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    Thank you for the replies!

    Eurogamer posted a review today that said the fan gets too loud past 65%. Would it be reasonably safe to say I could expect boost to settle around 1900 MHz with a mild core + RAM OC?

    I would like to keep fan noise reasonable and I have two slots separating the cards.

    I'm just trying to estimate the performance increase I would get going from my 2x GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme at stock OC (boosts to 1987 MHz and 5400 MHz VRAM) to 2x TITAN X Pascal + OC.
     
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  26. Zarathustra[H]

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    When I did my first overclock attempt, I maxed the fan at 100% just to test the max overclock I could achieve. It was indeed on the loud side, (but not as bad as I had expected compared to some older blower style cards I've had over the years. My GTX470 was an INSANE hairdryer but also the best overclocker I've had in recent years)

    Since then I've kept the same overclock and left it on default fan profile. Clocks stay the same. I can't remember the fan speed though, but it wasn't loud.

    Each card is going to be different, but just based on the fact that this is the performance I'm getting, and it appears to be lower overclocking than many out there, I don't think 1900 is an unreasonable goal without insane fan speeds at all.

    It will really depend on what you are running and how it loads your card. If you are like me, and run adaptive vsync at 60hz, only the tough scenes will fully load the card, the easier scenes will have it cruising and downclocking because it doesn't need all the power to exceed 60fps.
     
  27. Armenius

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    In my opinion the fan isn't too noisy even at 100%. In terms of db it's loud, but It's more of a whooshing sound than the whining sound of the blower on the Mitan that got on my nerves. The fan speed you'll need will also vary depending on your environment. In my case I am replacing my... case... very soon since it's beat up and the fan controller isn't working too well anymore. I also sit my case on the tile floor and set my A/C to around 78-80F during the summer to try and save some money on electricity (I live in South Florida).
     
  28. fomoz

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    They're usually at max GPU usage because I'm aiming for 144 fps @ 7680x1440.
     
  29. Zarathustra[H]

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    Well, that's the tricky part about fan noise. Everyone use environment is different. Some have cases that dampen the sound pretty well, other have other noise sources that drown out the fans, some have very insulating headphones, some have hard floors that create an echo, etc. etc.

    I've noticed that I am less bothered by a pitchless whoosh than I am by a pitched whine, and in that regard the new Titan X cooler is actually pretty good.
     
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    Yes, really can't come soon enough!

    I've got a bit of a dog of a Titan XP I'd say. Scraping just below 2000mhz on stock. Can't go past 2050mhz on water! :eek:

    Hasn't been over 42°c at all to date though, so got loads of thermal headroom. I'm hoping we can get close to 1.2v vGPU via software on a Titan XP at the very least.

    I gotta say though, having spent $1,200 on a graphics card, an enthusiast part, I fucking expect nvidia to provide overclocking tools, especially as overclocking was specifically mentioned in their advertising literature I believe... :rolleyes::sour::punch:
     
  31. Zarathustra[H]

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    I'm curious. At 42°C on water at 2050mhz, how close are you to the power limit?

    I think with a good water block and some voltage tweaks even the poor overclockers might wind up being screamers, if we don't run up against the 120% power limit.
     
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    I don't hit it, it never clocks down, that's the thing...

    I might've mentioned this elsewhere, but the biggest advantage I've seen from watercooling is this consistency of clock. It just doesn't budge. I've read people say that over time in gaming they see their clocks tend to fall a bit, like up to ~100mhz or so, despite the core temp staying well below 84°C, let alone 90°C. Apparently it's Boost 3.0 at play due to the whole board, gpu, memory, vrms getting hot, becoming power inefficient, voltage drops due to increased resistance and thus then the core frequency drops to compensate. This doesn't happen on water since all that heat is being sapped away.

    250w TDP on that thing being cooled by the same blower on a card with almost half the core count... :confused:

    Oh yeah:
    The New NVIDIA TITAN X: The Ultimate. Period. | The Official NVIDIA Blog

    "High performance engineering for maximum overclocking".

    Right, so please provide some official overclocking tools then, nvidia, since I bought the card based on this promise, else it's lawyer time!

    I mean I'm not serious, but there is actually a serious case here if nvidia don't provide, officially, the tools required to do with the card what they advertised the card would do... :cautious:
     
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    Any word on the release date for the EVGA Titan Hybrid kit?
     
  34. Armenius

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    No, but Jacob did say on the EVGA forums that they were only in the early stages of development. I would not expect it for awhile. NZXT said that they were going to be testing fitment of the G10, so there is that.
     
  35. Rizen

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    I'm sure the power limit will be defeated by a modded vbios in due time.
     
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    Just realized I did not have my temperature target set to 90. That helped with OCs a bit. Currently at +190/+500 which seems stable in Overwatch. Will try some GTA V later to really push the card. Overwatch is only hitting around 80-90% GPU usage for a consistent 144fps @ 1440. GPU clock in game holds stable around 1930MHz, definitely limited by temperature. Fan is at 80% and I don't really want to go louder even with headphones.
     
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    I posted this chart from a Time Spy run over on the benchmark thread (+200/550, temps under 50C):

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  39. Zarathustra[H]

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    Interesting. Looks like in the second half, a good chunk of what is capping it is power limit.
     
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    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm going with the EVGA Titan X hybrid kit once they release it. This card is begging for it.