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Side note, if I keep getting so many likes for the dildo comment I may actually start the kick starter..

I thought about a big floppy one in a mailing tube with top contributes comments sharpied on it, and the more dollars I get the longer IT gets.......

..... I wonder if you can get a dildo by the foot and just have them Crimp a head on it like Cat5.....
I have never once in my life contributed to a kick starter but you know what they say, there's a first time for everything.

My question is how much earned income did you have and how many deductions did you take (as well as children/dependents, interest expense, etc.)? For the most part lower/mid earners don't need to pay much tax on top of their typical contribution on your paycheck. I will be paying well over 10k this year.

On a side note - if you broke even, perfect. You did it perfect. You don't want the government using your money and then get a refund! I purposely pay less tax and pay in during tax season so I can utilize my income in investments, but the ultimate goal is to brake even!
Don't even get me started on taxes, I don't think but maybe once or twice in my life have I ever gotten anything back (come out in the black, so to speak). Seems like every year I pay more and more in. This year, I'll be paying $500+ back into federal. I just changed my exemptions or whatever as I was claiming 1 and I changed that to 0 now. Anywho, this thread isn't about taxes so back on to the important topic in errr at hand.

Let's get that guy that took our NN from us a giant dildo covered in [H] logos, contributors names, and the top 5 posts/quotes!!
 

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I have never once in my life contributed to a kick starter but you know what they say, there's a first time for everything.



Don't even get me started on taxes, I don't think but maybe once or twice in my life have I ever gotten anything back (come out in the black, so to speak). Seems like every year I pay more and more in. This year, I'll be paying $500+ back into federal. I just changed my exemptions or whatever as I was claiming 1 and I changed that to 0 now. Anywho, this thread isn't about taxes so back on to the important topic in errr at hand.

Let's get that guy that took our NN from us a giant dildo covered in [H] logos, contributors names, and the top 5 posts/quotes!!
My wife and I both claim 0 for at least half the year. I shift mine around depending on the market. Still 10k in. It's a pain in the rear, but expected (no kids, we rent, blah blah).
 

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Well without going into too much detail it was a combo of a few months of Peace Corps (pay beans) and working in a state office after that.

So I got a break for PC and slightly taken advantage of for the state job. The health care package is pretty great but its a lot of money. I estimated.my liability and claimed accordingly. I am no tax expert, hence the return but I got close.
I think the 401k threw me off but I didn't itemize, just standard deduction + political and good will drop offs.

First year in PC I found out I owed 1600 so I had to do a lot of jumping through hoops to avoid that since I was making 212/month lollol
Hey just wanna give you the same props as I do the military - Peace Corps is a huge commitment!
 

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I thank you, the first 2 months were he'll but my bro did basic and we compared notes and thought they sucked equally lolol
 

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So these shootings aren't real? Look at how often pistols are used in high schools. That shit is nuts.
25 January: Murphy High School, Mobile, Alabama – A student fired a handgun into the air during a fight with another student. No injuries were reported.
As someone born in, and has lived in Mobile for most of my life; shootings at schools such as Murphy, Williamson, LeFlore, Blount (majority or predominantly black schools) are common occurrences usually related to gang activity or people thinking themselves as "thugs". In the middle and high schools I went to, if nobody was shot or shot at, it was a boring day at school.

While still 'bad', I wouldn't put such events anywhere near Columbine, Sandy Hook or Parkland.
 

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No it started as a program paid for by tax payers and developed by private companies at the request of the government.

Like roads that liberals say that we have the privilege of using. Basically the government takes money from it's citizens in taxes and then pays a private companies to build roads with tax payer money, then the government beats it's chest and says see what the government did for you!!!!!!! Like the American people couldn't figure out how to make a road from point A to point B on their own.
What? I said that everyone here has benefited from costs that are socialized. That you are posting on this forum means that you are getting use from government spending. And I know this is far from the only thing. The bottom line, no one here paid for the total cost of everything they use, be it a publically funded road or the phone or computer you're posting from. No one here by themselves paid out of pocket all of technology they use.

Too many people think free market means I paid for the development of all things I used out of my own pocked. The costs were socialized.
 

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NN. If you want to know something, ya gotta follow the money. Ever wonder what was on the other side of the NN equation? One side was ISPs (in general), what was the other side? Hint: it wasn’t consumers, absolutely not.
Bingo.
 

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I actually worked in insurance billing and coding. If you knew the bullshit they bill for you woulda understand why everyone needs insurance regardless of income.
Question, since we have a "free market", would hospitals and drug companies charge as much as they do now if health insurance didn't exist? I went to the doctor a couple of days ago for a bad burn, the doctor prescribed me a med for it. The pharmacist informed me that the med cost $700 for a 10 day supply if I pay with cash. I can't see anyone ever paying $700 for this, they would just deal with the pain or take painkillers instead. So, if insurance didn't exist, would the drug company still try to charge $700 for this drug, and almost never sell a unit of it, or would the lack of buyers drive the price down to something more reasonable? It seems like in the US, our medical costs are so high because the people paying them never see the actual price being charged. No one says "I'm not going to go to the doctor, because they're going to charge my insurance plan for $800". They pay the $25 co-pay and call it good.
 

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Source please. Total BS. You got it from the same sources you get the rest of your misinformed news. I've never seen the US in the top 20 other than the fact we have some of the best hospitals in the world.
You do know I was being sarcastic? I was mimicking what people would say to defend their position. I feel like I shouldn't need to put a /sarcasm in my posts.

As someone born in, and has lived in Mobile for most of my life; shootings at schools such as Murphy, Williamson, LeFlore, Blount (majority or predominantly black schools) are common occurrences usually related to gang activity or people thinking themselves as "thugs". In the middle and high schools I went to, if nobody was shot or shot at, it was a boring day at school.

While still 'bad', I wouldn't put such events anywhere near Columbine, Sandy Hook or Parkland.
That would be more of a reason to ban guns. At least we can confiscate these weapons and destroy them. Only cops should be walking around with guns.
 

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Question, since we have a "free market", would hospitals and drug companies charge as much as they do now if health insurance didn't exist? I went to the doctor a couple of days ago for a bad burn, the doctor prescribed me a med for it. The pharmacist informed me that the med cost $700 for a 10 day supply if I pay with cash. I can't see anyone ever paying $700 for this, they would just deal with the pain or take painkillers instead. So, if insurance didn't exist, would the drug company still try to charge $700 for this drug, and almost never sell a unit of it, or would the lack of buyers drive the price down to something more reasonable? It seems like in the US, our medical costs are so high because the people paying them never see the actual price being charged. No one says "I'm not going to go to the doctor, because they're going to charge my insurance plan for $800". They pay the $25 co-pay and call it good.
People don't always think this line of argument through. $70 per day for something that alieves great pain or death? Say $700 at the end of 10 days and all is fine without great pain or risk of death? Then I get the point. For whatever reason some want to equate life and/or pain saving medicine with typical consumer goods. Like dealing the people that go through extensive and expensive training to literally rip a person's guts out is exactly the same thing economically as buying a cheeseburger.

The only true "free market" solution to high health care costs is to make more of it.
 

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People don't always think this line of argument through. $70 per day for something that alieves great pain or death? Say $700 at the end of 10 days and all is fine without great pain or risk of death? Then I get the point. For whatever reason some want to equate life and/or pain saving medicine with typical consumer goods. Like dealing the people that go through extensive and expensive training to literally rip a person's guts out is exactly the same thing economically as buying a cheeseburger.

The only true "free market" solution to high health care costs is to make more of it.
I'm having a hard time following your post. I'd like to see some more regulations on the profits of drug companies and medical suppliers. Currently, its a bit like having the Fire Department ask you how much you'd be willing to spend to have them save your house, pets, and family from a fire. There should be some kind of cap, otherwise, the answer is always "everything I have".
 

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What? I said that everyone here has benefited from costs that are socialized. That you are posting on this forum means that you are getting use from government spending. And I know this is far from the only thing. The bottom line, no one here paid for the total cost of everything they use, be it a publically funded road or the phone or computer you're posting from. No one here by themselves paid out of pocket all of technology they use.

Too many people think free market means I paid for the development of all things I used out of my own pocked. The costs were socialized.

You are giving credit to the government for being the middle man by force? HAHAHAHAHA

The company that makes a product is creating the value that other people choose to buy, companies pay the upfront cost at a risk of failure if no one finds value in it.

The government just takes and does what it wants with the tax payers money, which we call waste.
 

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I may have a degree in community health education and experience in insurance billing and coverages and have worked for pepfar in South Africa for peace Corps,


But if I tried to talk about insurance and health care someone would cover this thread with $#!÷ posts.

Thanks, no thanks
 

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You are giving credit to the government for being the middle man by force? HAHAHAHAHA

The company that makes a product is creating the value that other people choose to buy, companies pay the upfront cost at a risk of failure if no one finds value in it.

The government just takes and does what it wants with the tax payers money, which we call waste.
Six years ago I had a hernia rupture and the pain literally made me want to die. The notion that I would have been price shopping through all of that is insane. There are realities about health care that, being health care, we don't discuss much. That's part of the problem in the US. I someone wants to die in the name of hating the government, more power to them. That's not me.
 

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Six years ago I had a hernia rupture and the pain literally made me want to die. The notion that I would have been price shopping through all of that is insane. There are realities about health care that, being health care, we don't discuss much. That's part of the problem in the US. I someone wants to die in the name of hating the government, more power to them. That's not me.

I don't hate the government at all I just don't want to rely on it from cradle to grave. When I need a medical procedure you bet your ass I call around and get prices I have saved a ton of money doing that. You would be shocked calling around what the price difference is, from stitches, x-rays, colonoscopy, Cat-scan........

Just don't give into Socialism because all the cool beta males are doing it.
 

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I don't hate the government at all I just don't want to rely on it from cradle to grave.
That's just not a realistic view from my perspective. The life I enjoy today was paid for by much blood, even in the name of a government that was opposite sides of current interests.

When I need a medical procedure you bet your ass I call around and get prices I have saved a ton of money doing that. You would be shocked calling around what the price difference is, from stitches, x-rays, colonoscopy, Cat-scan........


Those are routine procedures. What gets expensive is surgery and I get that some will talk about comparison shopping for medicine but I have never, ever IRL heard anyone looking for a low cost surgeon.

Just don't give into Socialism because all the cool beta males are doing it.
LOL! Sure. Because not being a socialist means looking for the person that's going to cut you open for the least amount of money without any other consideration. I think these debates would be much more realistic if people were being more real about it.
 
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That's just not a realistic view from my perspective. The life I enjoy today was paid for by much blood, even in the name of a government that was opposite sides of current interests.



Those are routine procedures. What gets expensive is surgery and I get that some will talk about comparison shopping for medicine but I have never, ever IRL heard anyone looking for a low cost surgeon.


LOL! Sure. Because not being a socialist means looking for the person that's going to cut you open for the least amount of money without any other consideration. I think these debates would be much more realistic if people were being more real about it.
Paying for a really good surgeon is not what's making healthcare expensive. In my case the surgeons (the whole team) made a very small piece of the inflated pie and I had one of the best in the city. For me the room "rental" was more. Then there was the recovery room. The supplies were huge. And can't forget the hospital tax. It's a business, and the non-compete aspect allows the price to continue escalating.
 
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What would happen would look similar. Government isn't the only tool corporations have to enforce a monopoly, it's just an effective one. The more successful ISPs would buy out the smaller ones so they could maintain regional monopolies that there wouldn't necessarily be market space to compete. Or, if some did compete, the larger competition could undercut them by having promotions that lower prices and increase deals until the smaller one was starved out. Starbucks has a lot of experience of this sort of thing. If they're competing against a local coffee shop, they may open up 3 stores around the competitor, all operating at a loss, until the smaller shop goes out of business. Then they close down the other two, and retain the marketshare. Rinse and repeat. Corporations have bags of tricks for wiping out competition, with or without government. Large ones can even work together to supress smaller ones. The bottom line is money is power, now matter how you slice it. Thinking the government is the only way to maintain a de facto monopoly is just naive.
What you say makes sense as far as barrier to entry goes. But it's not impossible. And there are a lot of big companies (like Google) that would bring in competition, not just little guys. Even Comcast could jump and complete in areas they never touched before. I'm amazed what even a government municipal can do (Chattanooga). We'd be in a much better situation than we are now.
 

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Paying for a really good surgeon is not what's making healthcare expensive.
I didn't say that this is the problem though the bills that my wife and I have seen from surgeries which thankfully were covered by insurance are no where close to the cost of routine procedures. My point is that if you ever have a TRUE medical need, like pain that makes you think you want to die or like dying itself, that's not when you're going to go shopping for the low price provider because you literally can't.

If any of you have a discount oncologist lined up, spread the wealth and let people know.
 

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I know many many many people that have shopped around for less expensive hospitals to have surgery. The surgery was elective (but needed, not cosmetic) so they had time to call and ask around. The surgeries were for their children.

Generally, surgeons are about the same skill level for a given procedure. Yes, just like any profession you will have outliers at the bad end and the fantastic end. This is just basic standards of deviation. Most people (surgeons included) will fall in the middle and surgical results will depend directly on patient selection, and not on surgical skill.

The bulk cost of the surgery is the hospital.
 

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That would be more of a reason to ban guns. At least we can confiscate these weapons and destroy them. Only cops should be walking around with guns.
I'd rather have the option of defending myself with deadly force (if need be) than waiting for the police to show up afterwards.

I lived in a (not so good) neighborhood that was a five minute walk from a police precinct. Someone tried breaking into my house, ran them off with a shotgun. Guess how long it took the police to respond? 90 minutes.

Until people up and decide to stop acting like shitheads, and the police are able to stop crimes before they happen with 100% efficiency, I'll gladly support private weapon ownership.
 
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I didn't say that this is the problem though the bills that my wife and I have seen from surgeries which thankfully were covered by insurance are no where close to the cost of routine procedures. My point is that if you ever have a TRUE medical need, like pain that makes you think you want to die or like dying itself, that's not when you're going to go shopping for the low price provider because you literally can't.

If any of you have a discount oncologist lined up, spread the wealth and let people know.
If you're fighting for your life, sure people don't think logically about their quality of life after surgery (bankruptcy, life of debt). I'm not being callous either, if I were in that position it'd be too hard from me to think in a thrifty manner amongst the stress. It might be too much for me as well if I were in those shoes. I'd probably just take the first surgeon that was recommended too.

The problem is, the system preys on knowing that, and by habit we still don't think even when it's no where near life and death. Hospitals aren't rated by cost. Everything is obfuscated on purpose. There's no reason to reign in costs. It's runaway costs
 

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The problem is, the system preys on knowing that, and by habit we still don't think even when it's no where near life and death. Hospitals aren't rated by cost. Everything is obfuscated on purpose. There's no reason to reign in costs. It's runaway costs
There's an old cliché, never go to the grocery store when you're hungry. It seems like some here want to apply that to health care and make it out to be never go to the hospital when you're in so much pain you can't see straight. If you have planned out the low cost provider for a car wreck, heart attack, cancer, etc. awesome. Pass that on. Please tell the world the name of your discount cardio surgeon.
 
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There's an old cliché, never go to the grocery store when you're hungry. It seems like some here want to apply that to health care and make it out to be never go to the hospital when you're in so much pain you can't see straight. If you have planned out the low cost provider for a car wreck, heart attack, cancer, etc. awesome. Pass that on. Please tell the world the name of your discount cardio surgeon.
It would greatly help it we had transparency in uninsured rates and also numbers that insurance companies brokered an agreement to. Then we might get to a point to where more people who don't think will get lucky and not automatically price gouged. I mean grocery stores have limits because of concern for the thrifty. And all the non-conscious/non-thrifty benefit.
 

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I'd rather have the option of defending myself with deadly force (if need be) than waiting for the police to show up afterwards.

I lived in a (not so good) neighborhood that was a five minute walk from a police precinct. Someone tried breaking into my house, ran them off with a shotgun. Guess how long it took the police to respond? 90 minutes.

Until people up and decide to stop acting like shitheads, and the police are able to stop crimes before they happen with 100% efficiency, I'll gladly support private weapon ownership.
The solution isn't a gun. The solution is fixing the neighborhood and fixing the cops. That situation could have gone much worse if the other person had a gun.
 

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The solution isn't a gun. The solution is fixing the neighborhood and fixing the cops. That situation could have gone much worse if the other person had a gun.
I've seen break-ins and read of home invasions in fairly well to do neighborhoods, ones with great police response even.

I'm just not that trusting of people, some may run off if someone notices them, others need the fear of harm/death.
 

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The solution isn't a gun. The solution is fixing the neighborhood and fixing the cops. That situation could have gone much worse if the other person had a gun.
Yeah, it could have gone worse for the shitbag. Boo hoo. We had a pair of dipshits breaking into homes around here a few years ago. One night they broke into an older gentleman's home, and he put them both in the hospital with shotgun rounds to the chest. They were armed with knives.
 
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Yeah, it could have gone worse for the shitbag. Boo hoo. We had a pair of dipshits breaking into homes around here a few years ago. One night they broke into an older gentleman's home, and he put them both in the hospital with shotgun rounds to the chest. They were armed with knives.
In the UK the elderly are helpless, and it's a growing problem.
 

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You are giving credit to the government for being the middle man by force? HAHAHAHAHA

The company that makes a product is creating the value that other people choose to buy, companies pay the upfront cost at a risk of failure if no one finds value in it.

The government just takes and does what it wants with the tax payers money, which we call waste.
Wow, do you not get it. There are many functions for which "companies" are ill-suited. Or do you want Exxon to be in charge of the miltiary?

Also, have you really never heard of the tragedy of the commons? This is what unfettered capitalism looks like: http://www.austroindonesianartsprogram.org/blog/most-polluted-river-world-citarum-river-indonesia.

How about the gilded age? The gilded age was a fucking nightmare.

Meanwhile, in the real world, a mix of free-market economics and government regulation -- a mixed economy -- actually works quite well.

Oh well, carry on. Spitting into the wind and all that.
 
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Highly inelastic demand and markets don't mix well. This is actually fairly well understood if one bothers to study economics, but unfortunately we're so polarized in the U.S. that if you aren't a rabid laissez-faire capitalist, well then you're a fascist commie.
 
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Wow, do you not get it. There are many functions for which "companies" are ill-suited. Or do you want Exxon to be in charge of the miltiary?

Also, have you really never heard of the tragedy of the commons? This is what unfettered capitalism looks like: http://www.austroindonesianartsprogram.org/blog/most-polluted-river-world-citarum-river-indonesia.

How about the gilded age? The gilded age was a fucking nightmare.

Meanwhile, in the real world, a mix of free-market economics and government regulation -- a mixed economy -- actually works quite well.

Oh well, carry on. Spitting into the wind and all that.

Exxon NO WAY DUDE, I was thinking walmart. Nice try Commi
 

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Net Neutrality had nothing to do with neutrality. Death threats? Gotta love leftists. If you disagree with them they try to silence you or threaten to kill you. These kooks are way too sensitive, hysterical and misinformed.

Death threats aren't exclusive to "leftists". "Righties" dish out their fair share of death threats. Lets not act like there is any exclusivity to that behavior. Fairly ignorant to imply otherwise.
 
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Death threats aren't exclusive to "leftists". "Righties" dish out their fair share of death threats. Lets not act like there is any exclusivity to that behavior. Fairly ignorant to imply otherwise.
They usually back them up ala most if not all the mass shooters were right wing nutjobs, no matter the BS propaganda morons try to push
 

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Death threats aren't exclusive to "leftists". "Righties" dish out their fair share of death threats. Lets not act like there is any exclusivity to that behavior. Fairly ignorant to imply otherwise.
Specific to NN, how many "righties" sent death threats?
 
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