Nnnoooo!!! Not another socket type! x_x

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Fuzzy Logik

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Man...

You mean to tell em AMD is releasing ANOTHER socket type? At the beginning of next year...

WTF...

I was just about to upgrade to a socket 754 from my socket A machines... Someone at work was like, "Dude, you're an idiot. Get a socket 939, you'll eb able to upgrade"

So here I go looking at the 127 dollar AMd 64 3200 BW core at ewiz. I'm about ot order one when I decide to wait a day to think it over. I see on the main site that there is an M2 processor with a socket 940!?!?!

ONE GODDAMN PIN!??!!!?

WTF

Is AMD smoking rocks?

I'm finally gonna upgrade from Socket A and I'm finding out that I'm about to be 3 socket types off from the newest?

Man...

That's bullshit.

I'm seriously getting nauseas at the entire computer scene. Kina like growing out of something you did as a teenager. I'm starting to feel this lame sense of being screwed way too much by the chip making industry.

Man im so aggrivated right now!!! :mad:

HOW in the FUCK are we suposed to keep upgrading to all these new sockets?

For FUCKS sake you can still purchase SOCKET A Processors? Why in the hell would you offer FOUR different socket types? Each one better than the next, FORCING you to upgrade to another motherboard?

How many MB companies are sucking AMDs dick because of this?

So If I go socket 939 ill be screwing ymself on upgrading. If I wait to afford the new socket 940 M2 it will probably be outgraded by an all new socket type instead of a faster processor same socket.

Just infuriates me. I'm not made of money but I'd like to enjoy decent performance for the hog ass software being written right now.

I realize this is how companes make their money... but this just takes the cake.

Anyone have a clue how long until the socket 940 will be replaced with a new socket?

I mean from 754 to 939, thats aweosme, from 39 to 940

...

i mean cmon

wtf...

I'm sure im just pissed, misinformed and sounding like an idiot newb.... but I don't care I'm getting older, broker, and tireder everyday. :mad:

I need to whine about it somewhere that maybe would get some understanding and feel "the same boat syndrom"

Maybe someody will make my day and sy, "Fuzzy, nobody is actually gonna go socket 940, it will flop while everyone stays 939 and waits for the next socket type AFTEr 940"
 
Socket 940 is a server socket, 939 is a desktop socket. One isn't supposed to be an upgrade over the other. 940 requires ECC registered RAM, and 939 doesn't.
 
I believe he is referring to Socket M2. To me motherboards are relatvely cheap. The biggest aggravation is AMD switching to DDR2 memory next year.
 
Dude, relax, you're going to blow a valve! They have to come out with newer sockets to support newer technology (Dual Channel, DDR2, etc.). You're more than welcome to stick with your Socket-A as long as it does everything you need it to do.

Socket 939 is a safe bet because all of the dual cores are supported so you should be OK. You can find socket 939 boards starting at $85.
 
Oline61 said:
Socket 940 is a server socket, 939 is a desktop socket. One isn't supposed to be an upgrade over the other. 940 requires ECC registered RAM, and 939 doesn't.
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I think he's talking about the new socket M2 which will have 940 pins(I think), and not the socket 940 board.


fuzzy - If you get a socket 939 board now, it will not be obsolete when the socket M2 is released. And you will be able to upgrade. If you go with an Athlon 64 you can upgrade to an X2 if you feel the need. Or, if you get the ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 Socket M2 Upgradable Motherboard you will be able to upgrade to any socket 939 processor, or a future M2 processor when the adapter card is available.
 
M2 is going to be nice, but 939 is going to be around for awhile. I wouldn't buy a s754 as the only new cpus are entry level cpus (semprons). 939 more cpus are planned etc. Remember m2 will be more expensive when released as well... fewer boards to choose from ... might have some early ones not support everything .... etc ...
 
Chickan said:
M2 is going to be nice, but 939 is going to be around for awhile. I wouldn't buy a s754 as the only new cpus are entry level cpus (semprons). 939 more cpus are planned etc. Remember m2 will be more expensive when released as well... fewer boards to choose from ... might have some early ones not support everything .... etc ...
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I agree. s939 won't be obsolete just because M2 is released. The only major jump will be to DDR2 memory. You cant spend all your time waiting for the next best thing. At the moment a 939 system would be a solid upgrade that would last you a while. It would be a good upgrade to have until M2 saturate into the market and start to come down in price.
 
yo u need to calm down, if socket A still works fine for u, then u do not need to upgrade and the reasons for these new sockets is to compete with intel and stay ahead of the game ;)
 
Fuzzy Logik said:
I'm sure im just pissed, misinformed and sounding like an idiot newb....
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Yup ;) ;)

It kinda sounds like you think its your right to have chip makers cator to you. But, as both you and I know, that's not true at all.

You ultimatley have 3 choices. Eaither you buy what they make, and use the chipset they require, make your own processor/mobo/arcitecture, or don't buy.

Now, if you feel you still want to upgrade, then you can look at it from 2 points of view. Eaither you accept what they are doing and don't let it bother you, and focus your attention on more important things, or continue along the path you have already started to walk ^_^

Wow, I should be a psychology professor!

Anyway, socket 940 has been around for years. There is a new one comming out though, actually... 2 new ones I belive.

On a side note, Oline61, I think there are a few socket 940 boards that do not require EEC memory (I think mine is one of them...)
 
I say go with 939. When to switch is up to you. You can either do it right now and have the "newest" tech until Q2 06, at which point it will still be great tech. Or you can wait till Q2 06, when M2 debuts, and 939 prices start tumbling. I believe M2 is going to be a "flop", because it's going to be a transitional socket until '07, when AMD releases their new stuff.
 
Wow; what a rant! it's been a while since I've read something so overly dramatic. If you're really, "seriously getting nauseous", maybe you should see a doctor. Or go for a walk in the park, or something.

Nothing is forcing you to upgrade. Meanwhile, feel free to write your own software that doesn't "hog ass".
 
Bona Fide said:
I believe M2 is going to be a "flop"
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i know a bunch of people who will try to go with M2 at first (myself included) to be able to play with DDR2 ;)
 
Each one better than the next, FORCING you to upgrade to another motherboard?
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751/KT133A,
761/KT266A/NForce 1
KT333, 333A
KT400, Nforce 2

yep, Socket A was wonderous stapple of reliability.

Suck it up, it has been a long long time since you've been able to make signifigant CPU upgrades without swaping the motherboard as well.
440BX boards for PII/Slot and Slocket P3s were the last I can remember.
And even then it was the great chipset and not design that let the 440BX boards hit the 133FSB you wanted for the higher end P3s.
 
Err... if chip companies weren't allowed to change sockets, we would still be using socket 7. Is that what we should expect? Time stands still for no one: get used to it. At least AMD didn't pull an Intel and release a socket that lasts less than a year.

Besides, as others have said, socket 939 is still a very viable option. Don't think that just because you buy a 939 CPU now, that it will suddenly become useless once M2 comes out. I am still using socket 370 boards all the time - the CPU and socket are irrelevant if they do the job.
 
Yes, generally, I am dramatic Mike. Yes this was a rant Mike, and yes Mike... I realize that when I post out of anger, it simply allows for such posts as yours and Towert7's to enter the thread.
You aren't the first or the last person to say I am dramatic, go you, you win a prize for the Captain Obvious award. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the useless post that you could have avoided all together, there was the option to avoid mentioning your dullard opinion on this "dramatic rant"; however, you were a pathetic loser needing some form of genital support, so you gave this thread your time of day. Sorry you suck ass. :(

Towert7, that would be the most pathetic psycho analysis known to man, the fact you muster a bravado for such an asinine post is laughable, and much like Mike, pretty fucking pathetic. Vague suggestions for how to live life. Gee, those are my options, no shit huh? You're a hack dude, no talent, nothing remotely special. Get a life.




As for the rest of you, Thank you for the support and positive feedback. :D

I simply hate going to upgrade and then finding out something will be here the first annual quartar. Especially since I haven't upraded in YEARS. It's frustrating, and makes Fuzzy throw large temper tantrums :eek: The online games are starting to suffer on the old socket A cpus.

I rarely post here anymore, when I do it's to get advice or support from those who actually have the hardware, or have had their hands on it.

The other reason, as I mentioned in my post, is to get my whining and bitching out to people who know why I am bitching, and can give me some form of comfort in the situation - or at least give me ample reason why I should stfu and calm down.

I suppose I could upgrade now to a socket 939 64. When the dual core socket 939s go dirt cheap i can upgrade to thata nd it will be a substantial upgrade.

The DDR2 is tempting, and like Pc100/133 memory is more expensive than DDR now, I'm sure DDr2 will be cheaper than DDR as DDR is not being made any longer like pc100/133 isn't.

So that sounds logical, get a socket 939 pci-E board, as much memory as I can afford now, and I'm sure there will be a severe memory price drop when M2 is released jut to liquidate th old DDR memory supplies before it starts to go up in price. I could get the last bit I'll need then, along with a dual core 64.

I don't think PCi-E will change anytime soon.

Well, thanks for the advice guys, as always.
 
Same socket was nice but it's really not that big of a deal. If you upgrade after a few years only, you will find it's not just the cpu's that have grown. A cpu you have upgraded after two years will probably need a new mobo and ram to go with it anyways. We kind of hit a road block in DDR400 being adequate for AMD for long, thats been able to buck the trend a bit. In the past your DDR266 or Sdram wouldn't cut it in your NF2 (neither optimally, Sd not at all) even though the socket was the same. Plenty of artivles on this even a few years ago. New P4B/C? Not so fast.... your mobo's fsb is too weak. Socket was the same but would you put a 800FSb northwood in your 400fsb mobo? No, most likely not.

Same socket may sometimes help a habitual upgrader( Of course my new cpu works in my old board, it's freaking two months newer :p)... but we just get fucked and go with the flow in many other ways unfortunately. :(

Buy what you can and don't worry. It's not about the latest tech your comp doesn't have. It's how it performs. A nice 939 rig for a man in need, is a friend indeed.
 
The first three paragraphs of the previous post were unnecessary imo.

Fuzzy Logik said:
The online games are starting to suffer on the old socket A cpus.
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I hear ya... I'm still using an XP 2800+ I got 5 years ago. I'm saving for a quality socket 939 board and an X2. Possibly one with 1mb cache, but I might just go for a 3800+ and overclock it. But of course I'll need to buy a PCI-E graphics card, and faster ram too...
 
Josh_B said:
Err... if chip companies weren't allowed to change sockets, we would still be using socket 7. Is that what we should expect?
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Actually, there is some theoretical bandwidth limit with any given number of pins. I don't know the calculations involved, but I remember some discussions about this either with the end of s370, or with s423. Either way, sometimes changing sockets is a technological requirement, rather than just a marketing ploy.

On topic:
As has already been said, think about it from the practical standpoint. Don't buy a computer just to have the latest-and-greatest, since you're just fine with your AXP so far and would have been content with a "meager" single-channel 64-bit chip. Figure out what you need, and buy accordingly. I'd recommend 939 also, just because of the benefits everyone has already pointed out.
 
How long as the AMD 64 CPUS been out now, almost 3 years? You act like somebody forced to stay on socket A that whole time

seriously dude, Miodol
 
I was under the impression that M2 was not due out until at least Q3 of 2006, not Q1 of 2006 like the OP seems to think.

Also, if the OP gets this annoyed at a socket upgrade so that AMD can use newer and faster DDR2 memory I wonder what type of rant he will go on when he finds out that his new LCD wont be able to play HD-DVD's from his new Vista computer becuase it doesnt have HDCP...forcing him to scrap his perfectly good monitor and get a new one all over some crappy copy protection protocol....lolz I'm laughing already just thinking about that rant.
 
Josh_B said:
Err... if chip companies weren't allowed to change sockets, we would still be using socket 7. Is that what we should expect?
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Or the 40 pin DIP package used by the 8088, or maybe even the 16 pin DIP package of the Intel 4004.

In my new role as Captain Obvious, Fuzzy, let me see if I can save you from a couple of threats you appear to have not noticed.

Technology marches on at an alarming rate. When you learn something about engineering, you'll come to realize that companies do try to reuse infrastrucutre, but don't always decide to do so because they feel the competitive advantage gained by adding more features or performance outweighs the savings people would realize if they kept the older platform.

Because technology keeps marching on, it's always changing. Those changes can be intimidating and frustrating, but that's the way it is. If you want to get anywhere in a technology related field, you have to get good at coping with, identifying, and even predicting through some level of uncertainty.

Your reactions aren't just overly dramatic; they're distemperate. Put it in perspective: if this is how you react, Fuzzy, to a company announcing a new technology might be available soon, how would you cope if you lived in New Orleans? Or Afghanistan, or Iraq? Or Nigeria? Every day? What if something in your life really did go south?

If you're going to make these kinds of posts, then you're going to sound like a spoiled little brat. That alone should be enough reason for you to realize you should STFU by yourself, but if it isn't and you go ahead and make such posts, expect people to respond accordingly.

Maybe technology isn't for you. Perhaps you should sign up for a theater troupe and put all that drama to a productive use.

I hope that helps.
 
fuzzy:

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I dont know you, so no offense - your post just comes off this way....
 
I guess now that I have skipped Socket 754, 939, and 940 upgrades, I can begin to seriously think about an upgrade involving M2, DDR2, and PCIe graphics cards.

The wait has been painful though. See Sig!!!
 
mavalpha said:
Actually, there is some theoretical bandwidth limit with any given number of pins. I don't know the calculations involved, but I remember some discussions about this either with the end of s370, or with s423. Either way, sometimes changing sockets is a technological requirement, rather than just a marketing ploy.

On topic:
As has already been said, think about it from the practical standpoint. Don't buy a computer just to have the latest-and-greatest, since you're just fine with your AXP so far and would have been content with a "meager" single-channel 64-bit chip. Figure out what you need, and buy accordingly. I'd recommend 939 also, just because of the benefits everyone has already pointed out.
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I am aware there is a limitation, and hence we see more and more pins as time goes on. Additionally, with the price of average motherboards being in the 100-150 range, I hardly think it's unreasonable for CPU manufacturers to ask someone to buy a new board. Many gamers are willing to shell out $700 for a GPU, but the $150 board is a deal breaker?
 
im still in socket A mode...its plays bf2, plays porn...music...im good to go fo life..

i got certified...wow....2 years ago..when i was 15.and jeez, i cant say i know much about these new sockets/memory/cpus, time to study up once again.... :(

-Kyle :p
 
To the OP.

Sounds like you really didnt do your research too well. So dont be mad. M2 has been announced for a while now, and we all knew it was comming some 6 months ago.
 
Doesnt mean you have to upgrade with the pace of technology. Just buy hardware that'll last for about two years and then upgrade to the latest and greatest. If you have the extra cash then spend it. If not then dont whine about it. Plan your budget accordingly.
 
I understand where the OP is coming from, and I've heard people on here bitch about more retarded shit than this so give him a break.

I just went 939 and will be rocking it for a solid 2 years. Will I fall behind? Yes, but not all of us have $3k to put into a computer every 6 months. You just have to cope with the best you can afford, and in my opinion 939 will still be golden for a long while. You have so many options as far as hardware and overclocking, that I don't think you should be discouraged by the fact that a newer socket is on the horizon. If you want to hold out thats fine but remember you'll probably pay a fuckin premium for being an early adopter, then you'll kick yourself in the balls when you see price drops.
 
QuimZ said:
I understand where the OP is coming from, and I've heard people on here bitch about more retarded shit than this so give him a break.

I just went 939 and will be rocking it for a solid 2 years. Will I fall behind? Yes, but not all of us have $3k to put into a computer every 6 months. You just have to cope with the best you can afford, and in my opinion 939 will still be golden for a long while. You have so many options as far as hardware and overclocking, that I don't think you should be discouraged by the fact that a newer socket is on the horizon. If you want to hold out thats fine but remember you'll probably pay a fuckin premium for being an early adopter, then you'll kick yourself in the balls when you see price drops.
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Not to mention being an earlier adopter and then waiting for firmware upgrades to fix programming errors. Best to wait til it's stable.

Would I buy a new 2006 (new model) of a car off the lot. No I'd wait two years until the production issues got worked out and they fixed all the caveats (ex ford explorer pontiac grand prixs) and then buy one.
 
kjm2003 said:
im still in socket A mode...its plays bf2, plays porn...music...im good to go fo life..

i got certified...wow....2 years ago..when i was 15.and jeez, i cant say i know much about these new sockets/memory/cpus, time to study up once again.... :(

-Kyle :p
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lol thats awesome! It does suck that they are going to have another socket in about 9 months i agree. My biggest problem is that didnt amd say they were gonna skip ddr2 and go straight to ddr3? I was hoping my 939 rig would last a little longer
 
Super strokey said:
My biggest problem is that didnt amd say they were gonna skip ddr2 and go straight to ddr3?
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nope, this was a rumor for a while, but i think it's safe to say that we definitly won't see a ddr3 amd mobo... for some time.
 
Jeesus, you people exaggerate dates XP 2800 is from spring 2003 not fall 2000, and AMD 64 has been out for exactly 2 years NOT 3, (not including opterons). People remember your facts.
 
Fuzzy Logik said:
Towert7, that would be the most pathetic psycho analysis known to man, the fact you muster a bravado for such an asinine post is laughable, and much like Mike, pretty fucking pathetic. Vague suggestions for how to live life. Gee, those are my options, no shit huh? You're a hack dude, no talent, nothing remotely special. Get a life.
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This thread is going nowhere, lock it.

~Good Luck friend.
 
fuelvolts said:
fuzzy:

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I dont know you, so no offense - your post just comes off this way....
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lmao



Fuzzy Logik said:
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Thanks for the useless post that you could have avoided all together, there was the option to avoid mentioning your dullard opinion on this "dramatic rant"; however, you were a pathetic loser needing some form of genital support, so you gave this thread your time of day. Sorry you suck ass. :(

Towert7, that would be the most pathetic psycho analysis known to man, the fact you muster a bravado for such an asinine post is laughable, and much like Mike, pretty fucking pathetic. Vague suggestions for how to live life. Gee, those are my options, no shit huh? You're a hack dude, no talent, nothing remotely special. Get a life.
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thats ban material right there plus being soooooo dramatic is very uber
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