Azureth
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Umm...Starting with the Wii, yeah, but not otherwise. The NES was a beast compared to other consoles when it was released in '83, as was the SNES, N64 and even GC. It was only with the Wii that they decided to not try to make an at least equally powerful hardware.I don't think Nintendo will have a beastly system with the NX. Rarely in their history have they had the top-tier hardware. They usually opt for older tech that's cheaper to source, easier to manufacture, and, supposedly, easier to develop for since it has been around for a while. They focus on the gaming experience, not specs, usually with some kind of "revolutionary" twist on things (N64 - 3D, joystick controls; wii - motion control; wii U - 2nd screen; 3Ds - stereoscopic 3D; heck, even Virtual Boy tried something new a long time ago). It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to make VR integral to the unit, or some other wacky control device just to have something "new" (perhaps combined console/handheld). But I wouldn't expect better than XBO or PS4 specs. I might not even expect it to match those specs. I would anticipate a solid 1080p machine.
I'm not worried about it though. I think Nintendo does a good job with what they make, and I like their focus on gameplay and experience over specs. Sure, hardware matters, but not everyone cares about ultra-realistic graphics. That segment of the market is already covered, and it would be foolish for them to try to fight for it at this point. The problem is their issue getting developers - I hope that changes, they need it to. But, even if their products aren't for everyone, or kind of fads that people move on from, I really appreciate their attempts at trying new things with a primary objective of being fun.
I'm looking forward to the NX. I don't own a wii-U, nor do any of my friends. But when asked about it, we all want one, it's just a lack of titles holding us back. I'm really close to buying one for Mario Maker though, and with the promise of the new Zelda game coming to the system it may win me over. We'll see. If anything, I'm glad Nintendo is doing something different, and I'm excited to see what they come up with next.
I don't think Nintendo will have a beastly system with the NX. Rarely in their history have they had the top-tier hardware. They usually opt for older tech that's cheaper to source, easier to manufacture, and, supposedly, easier to develop for since it has been around for a while. They focus on the gaming experience, not specs, usually with some kind of "revolutionary" twist on things (N64 - 3D, joystick controls; wii - motion control; wii U - 2nd screen; 3Ds - stereoscopic 3D; heck, even Virtual Boy tried something new a long time ago). It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to make VR integral to the unit, or some other wacky control device just to have something "new" (perhaps combined console/handheld). But I wouldn't expect better than XBO or PS4 specs. I might not even expect it to match those specs. I would anticipate a solid 1080p machine.
I'm not worried about it though. I think Nintendo does a good job with what they make, and I like their focus on gameplay and experience over specs. Sure, hardware matters, but not everyone cares about ultra-realistic graphics. That segment of the market is already covered, and it would be foolish for them to try to fight for it at this point. The problem is their issue getting developers - I hope that changes, they need it to. But, even if their products aren't for everyone, or kind of fads that people move on from, I really appreciate their attempts at trying new things with a primary objective of being fun.
I'm looking forward to the NX. I don't own a wii-U, nor do any of my friends. But when asked about it, we all want one, it's just a lack of titles holding us back. I'm really close to buying one for Mario Maker though, and with the promise of the new Zelda game coming to the system it may win me over. We'll see. If anything, I'm glad Nintendo is doing something different, and I'm excited to see what they come up with next.
But isn't the lack of developer support connected in some way to the hardware specs?
I agree with you on the N64, but what console was more powerful than the SNES at the time?Both the SNES and N64 were released 2 years after their generations counterparts. It was not top-tier hardware for the times they were released, and they both had their limitations. The Wii was not the first to experience this. Also, they all had the lowest launch price of any of the competing mainstream consoles, and AFAIK, never sold consoles for a loss.
I'm in no way saying they were bad systems, they just focused on making it affordable and easy to develop for (supposedly), which isn't possible with top of the line hardware.
I agree with you on the N64, but what console was more powerful than the SNES at the time?
TurboGrafix was a semi-competitive system. The Genesis outsold it (and later the SNES), but it had mainstream ads and high profile games. In Japan it sold really well and was even the top dog at times. I wouldn't lump it in with the Neo Geo and Jaguar.
Saying Neo Geo was faster is absurd. That system sold to less than <1% of the console gaming market. It was niche at best. You might as well say that the CPS1 or other arcade cabs were faster too. Because honestly, just as many (or few) people had arcade cabs at home as the Neo Geo.
All the niche consoles that didn't really compete I would say are exempt from competition. Despite some of them being decent. Neo Geo, Turbo Graphics 16, Jaguar, etc.
Uhh...No, not true at all!Clarification: The SNES, or the SNES plus whatever expansion chips were loaded in SNES cartridges? Because without those expansion chips, even the Genesis would crush a SNES in terms of raw horsepower.
The Neo Geo at the time was leaps and bounds better than anything, period. Of course you had less games to choose from but you were in fact getting arcade quality graphics and sound. I remember seeing and hearing the Neo Geo for the first time and could not believe it. You can say it was a niche system, but you cannot deny its position as the biggest baddest system on the market.
Someone is still jelly that some people could afford a neo Geo
Wikipedia said:As of March 1997, the Neo Geo and the Neo Geo CD combined had sold 980,000 units worldwide.
Just like some people are jelly that they can't afford mega-yacts, hyper cars (plural), 50 million dollar homes, and private jets? Being intentionally inflammatory isn't a defense.
And with that many units sold... your implication is: everyone is jealous? Two console systems from one manufacturer with total worldwide sales of <1M? The SNES sold 49M. The Genesis 30.75M. Even the TurboGrafx16 which I also consider to be irrelevant sold 10 million worldwide (only 2.5M of which was the US... illustrating my point why at least here in the US it wasn't a relevant system. In Japan it was a competitor).
Sheesh. You really are emotional about this aren't you?
The question wasn't about popularity it was about power.
The Neo Geo was the powerhouse. 3D0 came along with a 699 price tag and that was even more powerful. the NEC CD-ROM added "power" insomuch as it opened up games capacity and content and that was what, 499? I had all of them at one point in time and each one was great in its own way.
But your comparison of a mega-yacht is invalid anyway. I wasn't making huge money back then and I somehow found a way to get these machines.
That is like saying that VR is fail because they are 599 or 799. People buy what they want, has nothing to do with power.
Not at all. I've responded with each post very methodically and with facts from sources that I could site if necessary. Despite your accusations and calling me names now twice (jelly, emotional), I haven't responded in kind or flamed or trolled in any way.
I would challenge you to reread any of my posts and site them in context anywhere that you could say I was being more emotional versus simply making statements based upon fact. The internet isn't a place in which emotion comes through. Even less so with me. If it helps you, read what I say in a Ben Stein very dry way.
I'm extremely logical, not to say I don't have emotions, but I rarely if ever let them dictate how I respond in a conversation whether in person or online (although there was one case in recent memory in the Apple subforum in which someone couldn't understand that Displayport ran through Thunderbolt and refused to listen or try a Thunderbolt cable to get his 4K monitor to work with a Mac Pro...).
Your point has been made. I have ceded your point to you (you can check up a few posts and see the post history for yourself... you even quoted it). Yes, it was more powerful. I only shifted the conversation to what was 'relevant'.
At this point I would go on to say, I'm sure everyone else reading our conversation has been drilled. They can form their own opinions.
We can agree to disagree about which is a better topic of discussion: "highest power" versus "power that one could actually afford". I don't see there being a change there, nor any chance for resolution. We both have our opinions on the matter.
Yes and no. I agree that people will find ways to buy what they want to buy. There are people down my street that own two Ferrari F360's that they bought new when they came out. One red one black. One Spyder one Modena. And yes I live in middle class suburb land, these are not people living in million dollar homes. They found something they deemed important and purchased these two $110k cars.
So yes, people can find ways to afford things that fall into their hobbies.
However "no" in the overall idea that cost isn't relevant in terms of what are in the hands of the people. If cost was NOT a factor then everyone would own a Ferrari. Everyone would have a yacht. Everyone would have that private jet. But they do not. In fact what we're talking about now proves my point. If everyone could afford a Neo Geo back in the early 90's everyone would have bought one. Because guess what, you're right, it was the fastest system. It was arcade hardware for the home, something every 14 year old would have killed for. But it's high cost made it unattainable for the 99%. This is simply the demand side of supply and demand. If every person then could've afforded the console you'd better believe that they would have manufactured as many consoles as possible to meet that demand, but they didn't because that demand didn't exist. My simile holds for the purpose I was making about the nature of cost being a factor in what people own (that is to say luxury items such as Ferraris versus normal goods). Although our other discussion about power vs relevance can be argued, this one I'm afraid really can't.
So to turn your argument on its head: you owned one because you were and or are a hardcore enthusiast. If you truly don't see that or don't understand that, I would suggest reading and learning about basic economic principles. This (luxury and high priced items such as Ferrari's and Neo Geo's) is/are clearly a case of "price sensitivity" from demand side economics.
If I were an adult back in in the 90's you'd better believe I'd be rocking a Neo Geo. At that time "arcade perfect" was a big deal, and that was the only system that could ever do it.
Well it wasn't all guns and roses with the Neo Geo. If you loved fighting games then great but beyond that the choices were few. Which I guess was fine because they cost $200 each.
In those days, that's all I wantedNothing but Fatal Fury, World Heros, Art of Fighting, King of Fighters, etc.
as I mentioned in the best console thread, I had a friend that owned a neogeo and it was the only one I every saw. hands down it was the best hardware at that time and the games were perfect to the arcade. I had another friend that was a console collector before it was cool and even he didn't have one.
now back on topic...
the resent new re the nx is that it will be more powerful than the current versions but they are not trying to beat either of the new systems. and no vr until it catches on better.
that is a possibility or at least drop the console and keep the portables but maybe neither. did you see the Pokémon go demo? official Pokémon on smartphones. I think I remember people talking about a move like that last year...