Nexus M ( 2015 ) Smartphone

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Glad someone here recognizes this as well. I know it's hard for a lot of people to get over the stigma of the 810, I was one of them up until recently too. Then I kinda took a step back and realized that all these phones with the 810 and 808 are still getting plenty of praise for overall performance still and it ultimately didn't matter much.

I definitely agree with the absurd resolutions phone OEMs are going with now. Phones should be focused on power efficiency and performance first and forcing the SoCs to drive these ridiculous resolutions is counter-intuitive to that, all for a negligible PPI bump. I was really happy to see the M9 stuck with a 1080p panel, but after it launched, I was sad to see that it really didn't improve on the M8 (what I have now) at all and gave me no reason to consider it. At least give us the option to lower the rendered resolution to help a bit in power draw on the SoC (Samsung actually kinda did recently though).

That's my biggest grief though. None of these reviews so far have used the phone for more then 48 hours. None of them are doing every day stuff that others will do because they're simply cranking out 48 hour reviews. How does the phone handle after playing Hearthstone for 30 straight minutes? What about a 2 hour binge on Clash of Clans?

We know the v2.1 of 810 still throttles like mad. We know devices that have 810 get very warm and performance goes down. None of the recent flagships with the 810 have had reviews that really look into the performance though. Not like the M9 did. People annihilated the M9 yet devices like OP2 (probably because nobody gives a shit about that device) and 6P seem to be getting pass. It's as if reviewers are just tired of talking about the 810 and simply don't want to be bothered to do an in-depth review of the devices performance. Simply saying "it's snappy" doesn't tell us dick about the devices performance.

It's not coincidence that Samsung skipped the 810 entirely and that LG G4 and V10 run the 808 and the Moto X Pure runs 808...

So come on...bring on the in depth performance reviews of 6P so we have a true gauge on what it is.
 

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That's my biggest grief though. None of these reviews so far have used the phone for more then 48 hours. None of them are doing every day stuff that others will do because they're simply cranking out 48 hour reviews. How does the phone handle after playing Hearthstone for 30 straight minutes? What about a 2 hour binge on Clash of Clans?

We know the v2.1 of 810 still throttles like mad. We know devices that have 810 get very warm and performance goes down. None of the recent flagships with the 810 have had reviews that really look into the performance though. Not like the M9 did. People annihilated the M9 yet devices like OP2 (probably because nobody gives a shit about that device) and 6P seem to be getting pass. It's as if reviewers are just tired of talking about the 810 and simply don't want to be bothered to do an in-depth review of the devices performance. Simply saying "it's snappy" doesn't tell us dick about the devices performance.

It's not coincidence that Samsung skipped the 810 entirely and that LG G4 and V10 run the 808 and the Moto X Pure runs 808...

So come on...bring on the in depth performance reviews of 6P so we have a true gauge on what it is.

YES the only meaningful measure of SoC performance is how long it can run Crysis!!!

Probably because things have gotten to the point where smartphone SoC spec wars are utterly meaningless to the normal user. And quite honestly the M9 got ragged on rather ridiculously over it and other things.
 

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The OP2 and Nexus 6P is significantly cheaper than the alternative flagships. And AnandTech had a detailed article about the differences with v2.1. Why keep reviewing the same element over and over again? We know it throttles. But it still performs well. The 808 might be a more energy efficient chip. We know all this.

To keep bringing it up is to say the Apple A9 processor superior benchmark king in every article. And I don't think anyone wants that.
 

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This might not really be an issue. What really matters is if unlocking the bootloader voids your warranty. I can't imagine google doing that.

Why the hell else would Huawei include a fuse the blows, AND require you to get a bootloader unlock code from their offices? Is there seriously any other possible justification than bricking people's warranties for these measures?

I can easily imaging Google putting a fork in modified device's warranties.

Between the blown fuse and the record of requesting a bootloader unlock and getting a code...they have you dead to rights modifying the device permanently.
 

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Why the hell else would Huawei include a fuse the blows, AND require you to get a bootloader unlock code from their offices? Is there seriously any other possible justification than bricking people's warranties for these measures?

I can easily imaging Google putting a fork in modified device's warranties.

Between the blown fuse and the record of requesting a bootloader unlock and getting a code...they have you dead to rights modifying the device permanently.

I see nothing about getting a bootloader unlock code.

This could very likely be for security reasons, which seems to be one of the focal points of Marshmallow. Might have something to do with Android Pay. I'm not saying your wrong, but it seems a bit suspicious to me. The Nexus brand has always been a fully unlockable developer haven. To void warranties for people doing what the Nexus name was built upon is a risky move.

They might use it in some warranty cases where it is obvious that a user bricked their phone doing something stupid. But to wholly void the phones warranty for a bootloader unlock is something that I really have to question when it comes to Nexus devices. I suppose we will find out in a few weeks, but if it turns out to be the case that's gunna hurt next years Nexus market I think.
 

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I see nothing about getting a bootloader unlock code.

This could very likely be for security reasons, which seems to be one of the focal points of Marshmallow. Might have something to do with Android Pay. I'm not saying your wrong, but it seems a bit suspicious to me. The Nexus brand has always been a fully unlockable developer haven. To void warranties for people doing what the Nexus name was built upon is a risky move.

They might use it in some warranty cases where it is obvious that a user bricked their phone doing something stupid. But to wholly void the phones warranty for a bootloader unlock is something that I really have to question when it comes to Nexus devices. I suppose we will find out in a few weeks, but if it turns out to be the case that's gunna hurt next years Nexus market I think.

Android Pay is already broken on rooted devices in MM. An eFuse is not necessary to break it.

It does precisely bullcrap for "security".
 

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The OP2 and Nexus 6P is significantly cheaper than the alternative flagships. And AnandTech had a detailed article about the differences with v2.1. Why keep reviewing the same element over and over again? We know it throttles. But it still performs well. The 808 might be a more energy efficient chip. We know all this.

To keep bringing it up is to say the Apple A9 processor superior benchmark king in every article. And I don't think anyone wants that.

When it comes to Benchmarks on phones lets face it.
I am not trying to get a few more FPS or crunch numbers in some power hungry application.

It is a phone and I am sure it will be sufficient for my needs for the next 2 years.
If not, I sell it and move on....but to what?
 

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My 5X is out for delivery today. Hopefully Verizon doesn't give me shit about activating it...
 

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My 5X is out for delivery today. Hopefully Verizon doesn't give me shit about activating it...

If you already have an active SIM to swap into it, then it will work fine.

It's only ever an issue if you're trying to activate a new line with the phone or if your current SIM is too big for the new phone (in which case I've always just cut mine down with a SIM cutter and swapped it in anyways). If you need a new SIM card and don't want to cut your current one down for whatever reason, then you'll need to go to a Verizon store and have them activate a new SIM in the phone, which they may have probs with since it's such a new phone like they did initially with the Moto X Pure. My friend that got the X Pure at launch and ran into this issue, but his Verizon rep was able to just activate the newer/smaller SIM in another Verizon phone, then swap it into his new X Pure.
 

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If you already have an active SIM to swap into it, then it will work fine.

It's only ever an issue if you're trying to activate a new line with the phone or if your current SIM is too big for the new phone (in which case I've always just cut mine down with a SIM cutter and swapped it in anyways). If you need a new SIM card and don't want to cut your current one down for whatever reason, then you'll need to go to a Verizon store and have them activate a new SIM in the phone, which they may have probs with since it's such a new phone like they did initially with the Moto X Pure. My friend that got the X Pure at launch and ran into this issue, but his Verizon rep was able to just activate the newer/smaller SIM in another Verizon phone, then swap it into his new X Pure.

So no issues with the fact that it has a different IMEI than what's on file at Verizon linked to that SIM card? I want to give my Moto X 2014 to my brother, but I want to make sure he can activate it. I already have the nano SIM from my Moto X.
 
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So no issues with the fact that it has a different IMEI than what's on file at Verizon linked to that SIM card? I want to give my Moto X 2014 to my brother, but I want to make sure he can activate it. I already have the nano SIM from my Moto X.

Nope no issues, I've only ever had one SIM with Verizon on any of my recent phones, I never bothered with calling to switch the IMEI on the SIM or anything, I just pop my SIM out and put it in my new phone and go. I used a Micro to Nano SIM cutter so I could use it on newer devices that need Nanos.
 

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Nope no issues, I've only ever had one SIM with Verizon on any of my recent phones, I never bothered with calling to switch the IMEI on the SIM or anything, I just pop my SIM out and put it in my new phone and go. I used a Micro to Nano SIM cutter so I could use it on newer devices that need Nanos.

Yup, same here. I've cut my SIM from a full size SIM on my Gnex, down to a Micro SIM on my Note 2, then cut it again down to a nano SIM when I got my M8, hah.

Anyways yeah, Verizon doesn't whitelist IMEIs for phones, which is why we can use all these unlocked phones on their network with an active SIM card already. The issue comes when you need to activate a new SIM card with a phone with an IMEI that isn't already registered on their network. Since you have already been using that 2014 Moto X on the network (which is a Verizon/carrier specific model anyways), he won't have any issues with it even if he is activating a new line/SIM on it.
 

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Yup, same here. I've cut my SIM from a full size SIM on my Gnex, down to a Micro SIM on my Note 2, then cut it again down to a nano SIM when I got my M8, hah.

Anyways yeah, Verizon doesn't whitelist IMEIs for phones, which is why we can use all these unlocked phones on their network with an active SIM card already. The issue comes when you need to activate a new SIM card with a phone with an IMEI that isn't already registered on their network. Since you have already been using that 2014 Moto X on the network (which is a Verizon/carrier specific model anyways), he won't have any issues with it even if he is activating a new line/SIM on it.

Sounds good. Thanks for the help. On my way to work, so I'll probably get to unbox it tonight or tomorrow morning.
 

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My 5X is out for delivery today. Hopefully Verizon doesn't give me shit about activating it...

Ordered my 5x 32gb Graphite on 10/19. Email received today with FedEx Tracking for shipment tomorrow 10/21 with Expected FedEx delivery EOD 10/22.

My initial delivery date was 10/28-10/30 so a nice surprise that I can play with over the weekend.
 

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Got mine today, was shipped on Monday. Gotta get a new sim for it though.
 

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Got my phone yesterday. Got it up and running today on Verizon. Seems much more cheaply made/lighter than my old Moto X 2014. Somewhat thinner however. Everything seems snappy. I haven't really experienced any major lagging or anything like that.

Ultimately, I'll keep it. Nice having all the bands available in case I go over to an ATT mvno when Verizon hikes their unlimited data rate.
 

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Got my phone yesterday. Got it up and running today on Verizon. Seems much more cheaply made/lighter than my old Moto X 2014. Somewhat thinner however. Everything seems snappy. I haven't really experienced any major lagging or anything like that.

Ultimately, I'll keep it. Nice having all the bands available in case I go over to an ATT mvno when Verizon hikes their unlimited data rate.

Try to use the hotspot to see if it works without a subscription, hah. It works on the Moto X since Verizon hasn't touched the OS, so curious to see if it does on the Nexus phones too.
 

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How much faster is this over an LG G2?
And until Zerolemon makes a battery case for it, I won't bite.
 

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Doesn't work. Says I need a subscription to use it.

Ahh, garbage.. at least it's easy to root and disable that subscription check, heh.

How much faster is this over an LG G2?
And until Zerolemon makes a battery case for it, I won't bite.

In benchmarks or real world? It benches significantly faster, but I'd say it's a considerable difference in real world depending on what you do with the phone.

These phones have rapid charge though, which the G2 doesn't, so that definitely helps if you're a heavy user. But it seems the 6P should last all day even with moderate to heavy usage. So unless you literally live on your phone all day (should probably do something about that) or are away from power for more than a day, I don't think you'll need a battery case. But even so, there's power packs that support quick/rapid charge as well.
 

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Got my 5X yesterday (Thursday). Initial reviews by some people (mostly those OCD people that expect a Nexus phone to be an iPhone/Moto X) almost scared me into cancelling my order but I'm glad I didn't.

The haptic feedback motor noise is my only complaint so far. The camera blows the Nexus 5 out of the water as far as quality is concerned. I also like double tapping the power button to directly open the camera. Nice feature! I like the fingerprint reader, as it allows me to open my phone without even hitting the power button. USB Type C is phenomenal at charging. I just charged my phone from 35% to 100% in about 45 minutes.

The only lag I've experienced so far is with snapchat. Typing a conversation is VERYYYY slow.
 

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Ahh, garbage.. at least it's easy to root and disable that subscription check, heh.



In benchmarks or real world? It benches significantly faster, but I'd say it's a considerable difference in real world depending on what you do with the phone.

These phones have rapid charge though, which the G2 doesn't, so that definitely helps if you're a heavy user. But it seems the 6P should last all day even with moderate to heavy usage. So unless you literally live on your phone all day (should probably do something about that) or are away from power for more than a day, I don't think you'll need a battery case. But even so, there's power packs that support quick/rapid charge as well.

My work is heavily based on constant emails and communication with other colleagues and clients on a daily basis, while out in the field.
Of the 10+ hour days, I'm usually using about 2 to 3 hours a day of responding or setting things up via email/phone calls.

My G2 has been decent for me, however now I'm getting into travelling every couple days in and out of state. Charging every night is sometimes a hassle.
My G2 has taken its course and I'm on the market for something new.

A Zerolemon case works best for me, so I don't have to worry about charging at all through out a day or two.

These 3,000 ish mah phones aren't really cutting it for me anymore.

The quickcharge tech does look very appealing though haha.
 

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How do you turn the phone in when laying flat on a desk ? My most common use of my phone at work, is laying it down on the desk, and then just barely hover tap the home button on my Note 5 ( that's a mod ) and screen turns on.

Can do the same thing when laying flat on the Wireless fast quick charger.

So how do these new Nexus phones do that with fingerprint scanner on the rear ?

Do they still have ' DT2W ' double tap to wake ?
 

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Got my 5X yesterday (Thursday). Initial reviews by some people (mostly those OCD people that expect a Nexus phone to be an iPhone/Moto X) almost scared me into cancelling my order but I'm glad I didn't.

The haptic feedback motor noise is my only complaint so far. The camera blows the Nexus 5 out of the water as far as quality is concerned. I also like double tapping the power button to directly open the camera. Nice feature! I like the fingerprint reader, as it allows me to open my phone without even hitting the power button. USB Type C is phenomenal at charging. I just charged my phone from 35% to 100% in about 45 minutes.

The only lag I've experienced so far is with snapchat. Typing a conversation is VERYYYY slow.

That has nothing to do with type-C at all. That is Quick Charge 2.0 that every phone from 2014 with a Qualcomm SoC onward has. It could charge even faster, as Qualcomm has produced QC 3.0 with USB3....but that would mean the device would have to have USB3, which it doesn't.
 

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How do you turn the phone in when laying flat on a desk ? My most common use of my phone at work, is laying it down on the desk, and then just barely hover tap the home button on my Note 5 ( that's a mod ) and screen turns on.

Can do the same thing when laying flat on the Wireless fast quick charger.

So how do these new Nexus phones do that with fingerprint scanner on the rear ?

Do they still have ' DT2W ' double tap to wake ?

No DT2W. The fingerprint scanner is actually pretty good (so far for me). I pull out my phone, put my finger on the sensor and the phone unlocks. I kind of miss the active display of my old moto x.
 

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That has nothing to do with type-C at all. That is Quick Charge 2.0 that every phone from 2014 with a Qualcomm SoC onward has. It could charge even faster, as Qualcomm has produced QC 3.0 with USB3....but that would mean the device would have to have USB3, which it doesn't.
It's not QC2.0 that makes it charge fast. Google included a 3 amp charger in the box, and that's what is making it charge fast. So if you want fast charging, you'll need a 5V/3A charger.

Fortunately, QC3.0 is minimum 5V/3A. So once QC3.0 chargers starts dropping, you might be able to buy third party chargers that could charge the Nexus 5X/6P fast.

http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/

The hardware is there to make QC2.0 a possibility. Maybe a firmware update would get it working, but for now, find your 5V/3A chargers.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/9...-chip-and-a-soldered-usb-type-c-connector.htm
 

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To those using the Nexus 5x/6p on Verizon, does it show up as "Non-VZW Device" in My Verizon?
 

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For the people who ordered the Nexus 6p, what carrier you using it on?
 

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It's not QC2.0 that makes it charge fast. Google included a 3 amp charger in the box, and that's what is making it charge fast. So if you want fast charging, you'll need a 5V/3A charger.

Fortunately, QC3.0 is minimum 5V/3A. So once QC3.0 chargers starts dropping, you might be able to buy third party chargers that could charge the Nexus 5X/6P fast.

http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/

The hardware is there to make QC2.0 a possibility. Maybe a firmware update would get it working, but for now, find your 5V/3A chargers.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/9...-chip-and-a-soldered-usb-type-c-connector.htm

Herp Derp.

You do realize that 5V/3A is 15W...right? You do realize that QC2.0 peaks at about 15W right? Is it technically Qualcomm QC2.0? Not technically in terms of standards...is it electronically the exact same performance as QC2.0 as implemented on last years phones?


The answer is yes.
 

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derp derp... No. It's not quick charge 2.0 if quick charge 2.0 chargers does not quick charge the phones... Simple logic. I don't even know what the hell you are even arguing this for.

Technically, QC2.0 has a max of 3A, but at 3A, it only has a max 5V, but those chargers are few. Majority of QC2.0 chargers are limited to 2A per OEM test control. Most of those chargers would ramp down the ampere to 1.5 or 1.6A and ramp up the voltage to 9V, or 1.2A/12V. But if the phone doesn't recognize the quick charge support, the charge defaults to 2A/5V if not 1.5A/5V. See the OEM specs of your charger.

Hence, find the 3A/5V chargers. But it will not Quick Charge.
 
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To those using the Nexus 5x/6p on Verizon, does it show up as "Non-VZW Device" in My Verizon?

I don't have mine yet, but that is how these phones would show in my Verizon based on past experience. My nexus 6 from the play store was the same.
 
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