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Newegg Goes Insane.
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InorganicMatter
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Meh, what can you say? They're Newegg!
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Trinitrotoluene
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do they autonotify you when they stop sucking so hard?
Have any of you been watching the pricing of these processors on newegg at all? over the last couple days they've been at normal levels, and this obviously absurd price will not stay the same. I don't honestly see how people can think that this is a problem.... wait till they're back in stock again and it'll drop to the usual price. Not a difficult thing.
Core 2 Extreme X6800 4 MB L2 2.93GHz 1066 MHz $999
Core 2 Duo E6700 4 MB L2 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz $530
Core 2 Duo E6600 4 MB L2 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz $316
Core 2 Duo E6400 2 MB L2 2.13 GHz 1066 MHz $224
Core 2 Duo E6300 2 MB L2 1.86 GHz 1066 MHz $183
ok, so I read 66 as 64 for some reason, but the point still stands. they're not in stock, and haven't been. this isn't their real selling price... it'll drop. get over it. the ones they have are a little more than that, but not awefully priced.
Core 2 Extreme X6800 4 MB L2 2.93GHz 1066 MHz $999
Core 2 Duo E6700 4 MB L2 2.66 GHz 1066 MHz $530
Core 2 Duo E6600 4 MB L2 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz $316
Core 2 Duo E6400 2 MB L2 2.13 GHz 1066 MHz $224
Core 2 Duo E6300 2 MB L2 1.86 GHz 1066 MHz $183
ok, so I read 66 as 64 for some reason, but the point still stands. they're not in stock, and haven't been. this isn't their real selling price... it'll drop. get over it. the ones they have are a little more than that, but not awefully priced.
Tutelary said:
I don't want to make excuses for Newegg but this is BS! Crap loads of folks ran falling over eachother to buy 3800+'s that sold for barely $15 less than that. Many even bragged about buying 4600+ for $644 , geesh are these now double standards?
E6600 is a better deal that the FX62
FX-62
SO is it Newegg or AMD who's greedy?
Sure Newegg is Greedy. If you don't like it be a smart shopper and shop elsewhere, don't just sit here and bitch about Newegg! I ended up getting an E6400 for a whole $17 cheaper than what Newegg listed, big deal.
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Donnie27 said:
I don't get why people think that just because an E6600 (hell, the E6400) can outperform the FX-62, that AMD should make it a bargain-bin processor selling for like $200. Would it be nice if the price was lower? Yes. But remember, yields of processors such as the FX62 are likely low to begin with, and the fact that even before Conroe, a very small % of people, easily less than 1% of the overall computer buying market, were looking to buy one, means that AMD has no real reason to sharply cut the price, and thus take a loss or break even on it.
I mean, use the same arguement then against the X6800 costing $1000. Why? Because Intel doesn't produce nearly as many as they do the other Core 2 Duos, so they can demand a premium, especially when even with the X6800, it's a small % of the Core 2 Duo-buying public.
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I'm getting really tired of these "Newegg are greedy bastards" threads.
Low supply + high demand = insanely high prices. Everybody who is selling C2D is getting in on it and why not? It makes perfect sense.
Low supply + high demand = insanely high prices. Everybody who is selling C2D is getting in on it and why not? It makes perfect sense.
The sad part is some people are probably paying those prices. Newegg has the greatest volume by far amongst all the vendors [H] is familiar with. This is similar to when the X2 prices came crashing down. mwave, TD and Monarch were all cheaper than newegg initially and few several days. Without question as the weeks go by the egg's prices will become much more competitive. But I mean hey if they can get people to buy the products at inflated prices that's good for their business.
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Remember that next time you snag the last loaf of bread at the grocery store. The mentality involved in such a pricing being "ok" is morally wrong. The "take em for everything they have" crap is a post-internet phenomenon that society is now tolerating where as before people attempting such things were generally shamed into stopping. I dont want to live in a world where if there are 5 things on a shelf and I buy one, the price for the next person goes up.
Stop making excuses for greed.
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Tutelary said:
Bread isn't in short supply. It's also a food item, unlike a CPU which is a luxury.
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Through the day as people are buying your supply decreases. With digital shelf tags (yes these exist now) and a wifi system and good inventory, a store could easily charge each person more for bread throughout the day as onhand supply decreases.
Saying its ok for one class of item will invariably lead to it being ok for another.
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I think a lot of people are starting to look else where for the best deals. Newegg has good customer service but the best price? No, it's clear the don't and that they haven't for a long time.
They are getting to be the highest priced now, not the cheapest.
Really sad to see
They are getting to be the highest priced now, not the cheapest.
Really sad to see
Wow I have been a loyal NewEgg customer for a while and I just don't understand what all you guys are bitching about.
OMG how dare a company try to sell a product for steep prices that is short in supply and make money when there are people willing to pay that price!
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I guess they are suppose to say "Screw making a profit, who cares about our business model, we have customers out there that want low prices on a hard to find item!"
OMG how dare a company try to sell a product for steep prices that is short in supply and make money when there are people willing to pay that price!
<sarcasmI guess they are suppose to say "Screw making a profit, who cares about our business model, we have customers out there that want low prices on a hard to find item!"
This is just plainly not true. I have bought two or three things from Newegg in the past year due to them having the best price. They may not always have the best price like they used to, but it's more of a fair game now with other sites like zzf and monarch in the game.SixFootDuo said:
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Tutelary said:
What it all comes down to is what said person is willing to pay for said product. Calling Newegg greedy is silly because everybody else is selling C2D over the MSRP. The reason some places are selling it cheaper than Newegg is because they want your business. Isn't that what they call "competition"?
Any buisness will create a price to maximize profit, if idiots are stupid enough to pay that inflated price then good for newegg. Its lame as hell, I certainly wont be buying a conroe from them, but they have plenty of other really good items/prices and are by far the best at shipping very quickly. Price of Conroe lame? Yes. Suprising? Nope.
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Saddens a litte but I still ended up buying my Stacker, Hard Drive, and DDR2 at the place. I would have ended up getting my E6600 at clubit even if it was $400 at newegg like it is zzf. So in short, I just don't care that much. I can't buy hard to find cpus or video cards when they are hard to find items at that store. But we're all scrambling, it's just one less possibility in a mad dash anyways, they haven't been at newegg anyway that much. Some of you probably aren't looking for one anyway. It's just stuff like this you cant use the store for anymore.
If it was just $5 more than zzf, you wouldn't buy one anyways, they wouldn't have one anyways.... maybe, just maybe save them some heat on the boards. Like a soap opera.
If it was just $5 more than zzf, you wouldn't buy one anyways, they wouldn't have one anyways.... maybe, just maybe save them some heat on the boards. Like a soap opera.
ToastMaster said:
I would easily make the same arguement against the X6800 BTW. Followed closely by the 6700. No matter how low the yields are or whatever, FX-62 is overpriced=P AMD justified the prices by saying; "We price our products according to performance" and then they talked about how they compared their processors to their competition and etc... Now that's come back to bite them on the @$$! Its price DOSEN'T reflect its value according to AMD. Not what Donnie27 or anyone else says.
Oh and that changed when the high Volume Yonah, Presler and Cedar Mill launched
These killed that large performance lead X2's once had long before Conroe launched. I know many AMD leaning folks maybe think X2 and A64 are great, blows them away but the rest of the market clearly disagrees. That's why Intel took back market share in the second Quarter even before the 3rd quarter price cuts. Conroe isn't the only thing Intel has.No one needs Conroe the day it comes out. Newegg would have to answer to Intel if they had such a high markup that the units wouldn't sell. Let the bleeding edge fanatics take the hit on the crazy prices and hold your horses.Tutelary said:
Newegg isn't greedy, they're smart. A business doesn't succeed by catering to every whiney tightwad. You can't lower your prices eveytime someone doesn't like them or you go out of business.
so many drama queens pouring out over Conroe latelySixFootDuo said:
Newegg does have the best customer service and I'd rather pay a minimal price premium to know my item will ship next day and that if there is a problem they will fix it.
Have you read any of the Monarch threads lately? Go save your $50 but don't come back to complain when your item doesn't ship for at least a week.
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Donnie27 said:I would easily make the same arguement against the X6800 BTW. Followed closely by the 6700. No matter how low the yields are or whatever, FX-62 is overpriced=P AMD justified the prices by saying; "We price our products according to performance" and then they talked about how they compared their processors to their competition and etc... Now that's come back to bite them on the @$$! Its price DOSEN'T reflect its value according to AMD. Not what Donnie27 or anyone else says.
Oh and that changed when the high Volume Yonah, Presler and Cedar Mill launched
And I'm considering buying an E6700 too
But Intel was taking back market share not because of performance, but because they simply had considerably cheaper dual-cores. Right now, the average consumer may be able to slightly why dual core is better than a single core. Even if they don't understand the actual difference, they know that two processors has to be greater 1 processor, and so if they can get a dirt-cheap dual processor system, they won't care who makes it. Now, the fact that these cheap systems carry the Intel name, is all the better.
The average consumer doesn't care if the computer lists it as Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, Pentium 4/D, Athlon 64, Athlon 64 X2, etc. They just want it to work. So whatever is cheapest and works, works for them.
Oh, and the low-model X2s are actually great deals now I'd say.
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Tutelary said:
Hey.. that didn't take long.
btw... "supply" isn't the same as "inventory". And "food" isn't the same as a completely optional luxury item that can be priced however the seller wants to price it (since no one has to buy it). Your argument is fundamentally flawed.
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CRXican said:
Considering Newegg doesn't even have most of them in, I'd say that "atleast one week" shipping time for Monarch isn't that big of a deal.
And I love Newegg - but come on, a $459 listed price on what should be a roughly $320-350 part, is more than just a "minimal price premium".
WATYF said:Hey.. that didn't take long.
btw... "supply" isn't the same as "inventory". And "food" isn't the same as a completely optional luxury item that can be priced however the seller wants to price it (since no one has to buy it). Your argument is fundamentally flawed.
WATYF
I do agree with you, but I also agree with him, to a point. He is right, in this day and age, companies don't care. If one product can go for 2x its MSRP, other companies WILL start overcharging if supply becomes short.
On a typical day at the grocery store? Not feasable. People will just go elsewhere. But think about when you go to the store the day before a huge snow storm, or something like that, and there's no bread or milk, because somehow people think that 'this time' they might not get out of their house for a month. Grocery stores COULD make a killing on days like that, they just don't.
I never expected to get a Conroe for retail near the launch date. It's companies like Newegg and Mwave that are charging almost double the MSRP for some of the chips that gets ridiculous.
And, too the people talking about how 'Newegg won't cater to the whiners, etc...' - Isn't Newegg typically known for their great customer service? Doubling the retail price on something because they don't have many of them really goes against that. It has nothing to do with the price, it's the 'bend over if you want one' attitude that they have with the Conroe.
People aren't necessarily complaining because Newegg's prices are high - it's the fact that they're taking advantage of their known reputation for good customer service. They know that, if they sell it for $50 more than another site, people will still buy it from them. Unfortunately for Newegg, people won't deal with that for very long.
Threads like this may be annoying, but the people posting them are just the ones who have already awoken to see that they're blatantly taking advantage.
Come on, what's a $100 price difference when you're buying hardware that just came out?ToastMaster said:Considering Newegg doesn't even have most of them in, I'd say that "atleast one week" shipping time for Monarch isn't that big of a deal.
And I love Newegg - but come on, a $459 listed price on what should be a roughly $320-350 part, is more than just a "minimal price premium".
I bought a 6800GT AGP for $400 when they were released. Now they can be had for $150. The price "should be" whatever people will pay for it.
The point about Monarch is that they sell items they don't have in stock and that's why you have to wait. So it is a big deal. Newegg doesn't sell what they don't have in stock. Get a clue.
ToastMaster said:And I'm considering buying an E6700 too
But Intel was taking back market share not because of performance, but because they simply had considerably cheaper dual-cores. Right now, the average consumer may be able to slightly why dual core is better than a single core. Even if they don't understand the actual difference, they know that two processors has to be greater 1 processor, and so if they can get a dirt-cheap dual processor system, they won't care who makes it. Now, the fact that these cheap systems carry the Intel name, is all the better.
The average consumer doesn't care if the computer lists it as Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, Pentium 4/D, Athlon 64, Athlon 64 X2, etc. They just want it to work. So whatever is cheapest and works, works for them.
Oh, and the low-model X2s are actually great deals now I'd say.
I agree!
No, they won't... and this current episode proves it. I just bought my E6600 yesterday for 100 dollars less than NewEgg was charging. Did it affect me in any way that NewEgg priced their product so high? Did I care, or shed a tear over the fact that NewEgg made that decision? No. Not at all.DarkSi said:
There is nothing wrong with making extra money on a non-essential item that is in high demand. Retailers don't have to be "sweet" and "kind". They're a business. They have bills, and employees, and operation costs. And when they see an opportunity to increase profit margins temporarily because of a hot item that people really want, that is scarcely available, then they should do it. They would be stupid, and bad business owners, not to. Yeah, they shouldn't be mean to their customers (because the customers won't come back), but they don't have to give away potential profit, just because some people don't understand the free market.
Again... no one is forcing you to buy from NewEgg. NewEgg made a business decision... I personally think it was a dumb business decision, because the market isn't supporting the prices that they are listing... but I don't, in any way, see this as some kind of "moral" breach. If NewEgg was a monopoly, and this item was an essential product, then you might have a case... but this is an optional luxury item... there are thousands of other kinds of CPU's out there... it's only the first week since it has been released... the E6600 isn't even in stock at NewEgg (so their price is only a theoretical price)... and to top it all off, other etailers are selling the same product for less.
The only thing happening here is that NewEgg made some not-so-smart decisions. They posted really, really inflated prices at first (for E6300/E6400), which got people up in arms. Obviously, you don't want to create bad press for yourself like that. Then they posted the E6300/E6400 in stock at slightly higher prices than some of the other etailers. A few people will end up buying them, but a bunch more (like myself) will probably be introduced to new etailers because they have lower prices on the same item (i.e. I just bought a bunch of my components from ZZF, where I don't usually shop, and this is the first time I've purchased from ClubIT). Those are the "real" issues. But getting all freaked out and saying that NewEgg is "greedy" and "eeeeevil" and making all kinds of other moralistic judgments (just because they're charging more than MSRP), and decrying the market, and making comparisons to marking up food products and what not is just absurd.
This is exactly how it should be. It costs more to provide great service. And its worth more to get great service, so prices should be higher. I used to pricewatch all my components, way back in the day, when I first started building my own machines. Then I found NewEgg. Yeah... they werent always the cheapest. Sometimes a good bit more... but I never had to worry about getting screwed on shipping, or my part never showing up, or having a billing dispute... and that was worth the extra money to me. NewEgg should be taking advantage of their great service and charging more for it. And if another etailer comes along with service thats as good, or better, and they charge less than NewEgg... then NewEgg will drop their prices to stay competitive. Thats how the free market works... it will level itself out like it always does, and this current scenario will just serve as an example of that.DarkSi said:
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DarkSi said:
I'll vote this as the best post on this thread.
Isn't Newegg typically known for their great customer service? Doubling the retail price on something because they don't have many of them really goes against that. It has nothing to do with the price, it's the 'bend over if you want one' attitude that they have with the Conroe.
Some of us brought up this same point on a thread about the $1,359.95 X6800 last month. But it's also kind of crazy that folks paid that much so it is kind of hard to just fault Newegg.
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