That is nice, but that is not going to happen in Buffalo, NY area. So, who is going to take over here?
Yeah but Atlanta is a top tier premium market for Comcast but they stuff us with 1tb data cap a month.
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That is nice, but that is not going to happen in Buffalo, NY area. So, who is going to take over here?
Meaning, I have my Verizon Fios, screw those who cannot get it and only have Spectrum as an option. Yeah, that will show them...…..
Why can't they have more than one provider?
At least YOU GOT 100/10!!
Where my parents are at, Spectrum won't finish building out the 1000 fucking feet of additional cable to provide TV and Internet to their place. They wanted to charge my parents $2500 for the 1000 foot buildout!! My parents are left with NOTHING available other than shitty and expensive Satellite Internet!
That is just STUPID! So, who am I going to get now? DSL?????? NOTHING OTHERWISE??????????
You mean pay the piper, as in punish the customer like myself?
Except they are. They agreed to meet certain demands, and then failed to meet them. Now it's time to pay the piper.
Do Verizon next!
What part of fascism does this not meet the criteria? They are a private company and are not beholden to the government to meet delivery demands. Another cable company should just come in and steal all thebusiness. .
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I guess it depends on where in New York you live. Here on Long Island we have Cablevision/ Altice as well as Verizon/Fios. As soon as Fios became available I dropped at the time Cablevision. They hadn't been purchased by Altice . So it's possible to have more than one service provider in your area.
Sorry, tangoseal, but your statement is incorrect. Cable companies like Charter make deals with municipalities like New York where they agree to provide certain services (e.g., broadband, cable rural internet, Gig Fiber etc..') at a certain SLA (service level agreement). In return, the cable company gets the right to sell their products with limited competition to all or part of that geographical area and receive various tax incentives.
Cable companies, like any other business, need to be held accountable by city governments and individuals just like any other company. The question is, however, did Charter indeed hold up their end of the bargain?
You do realize that those speeds are for countries that do not have the attitude of the free market will prevail a decade old at least..At least YOU GOT 100/10!!
Where my parents are at, Spectrum won't finish building out the 1000 fucking feet of additional cable to provide TV and Internet to their place. They wanted to charge my parents $2500 for the 1000 foot buildout!! My parents are left with NOTHING available other than shitty and expensive Satellite Internet!
You look at it from a physical point. But look at it from a piece of paper point of view. Someone will bid on the contract and they would be obliged when accepting the contract to abide by previous arrangements and so on and so forth.Someone? Who? There is no one else around here.
It is ridiculously expensive do do that kind of build out for ONE house serviced. That account will make what like 20ish a month in profits for the Cable Company? That kind of plant extension can be easily 10k to build so the ROI on that is a no go. Thats why they ask to share the cost. It can be even more if you have poles that need set or any zoning or other hoops to jump through. Where I live the next community over is full of large estates and a lot of wooded areas that are protected. At some point in the last 30 years each of those homes has paid out of their own pocket to run plant extensions from the main road to the residence. Usually about 6-10K per house . One guy told me 14!
Have you tried dail-up, I rocked it til 2009, worked great!?That is just STUPID! So, who am I going to get now? DSL?????? NOTHING OTHERWISE??????????
I can only speculate, as I'm not one of the companies bidding for this contract, but there is Altice (Optimum/Cablevision) that is in NY State. They could gobble up the contract if they were inclined. They're a decent (not great, not bad) company with respects to their Internet Service. I have them for my residential, and they provide our business data circuit as well. My home speeds are 200/35 for $75/month. We pay almost 3 times that for our business circuit (same speeds), but we also get 2hr support times if the circuit fails and they need to come to the premise. This is in the Hudson Valley Region too, not NYC or Westchester County.Who again, WHO? As usual you all no answers but hey, what do you all care, right? Read the post, not you bent.
That sucks. I live in rural East Texas and pay $50 for 150/5 with gigabit available for $135 with a 1.2TB data cap, which is more than enough for me. Smaller company -- Cableone.When spectrum took over my bill went sky high in NYC. Paying over 200 a month for 100/10 internet and basic cable. No other options in this building. I will be happy to see someone else take over.
What part of fascism does this not meet the criteria? They are a private company and are not beholden to the government to meet delivery demands. Another cable company should just come in and steal all thebusiness. .
Why can't they have more than one provider?
WTH?????? I cannot get Verizon Fios and the only option other than Spectrum Internet is DSL!!!!! What the Hell! I pay $65 a month for 100Mb / 10Mb connection and I want to keep it. New York needs to GTHO of this stuff!
Because a cable network really isn't set up to be a shared resource.
COULD another provider come in? Sure. But they'd have to build out their own network, and wouldn't have the same access to rights of way that the incumbent does.
That, right there, pretty much screws them.
Mmm. I think there is often massive build-out to begin with, then those facilities are leased to other operators. I'm sure there are situations that a new market entrant would have to actually build a new infrastructure but that would be, generally, in places not already served.
Because cable providers are a limited monopoly.
And, yes, they ARE beholden to the government. Because they are given immunity to "right of way" so they can install their network. Additionally, they had a contractual agreement with the state to achieve certain levels of service in the state as a condition of several of the mergers that've taken place.
They failed to meet that and apparently have no intention of actually doing so.
NY finally put their foot down.
I agree with everything you've said. My point was that new competitors do not run wholly new infrastructure. In reference to the post I quoted, which suggested that very thing.You can't really lease coax. They could share the fiber infrastructure up to the point where the node converts it to coax (possibly, a lot of times the fiber goes straight back to their headend, which for spectrum means New York, even if you live in Maine, making it useless for competitors), but having multiple different carriers over a single coax line would be a nightmare.
This is why we need open access fiber networks. You can have as many carriers as you want over a single strand of fiber.
Mmm. I think there is often massive build-out to begin with, then those facilities are leased to other operators. I'm sure there are situations that a new market entrant would have to actually build a new infrastructure but that would be, generally, in places not already served.
They didn't have a contractual obligation with the state for anything regarding the merger. The state had nothing to do with the merger.
Again, usually not without violating pre-existing agreements with municipalities for rights of way.
I rather have charter then comcast! Comcast is EVIL. I live in upstate NY.
Most local areas are NOT free market for ISPs. Local government grants ROW monopoly to given ISPs who give kick backs to local government, like free phone/internet/TV service to public buildings etc as well as others, often times local government will refuse anyone else to lay cable. Funny enough one of the biggest reasons government pushed to control and regulate the ROW's is because they claimed a single company could buy up all the land and refuse to let other ISP's install cable....Funny how that works huh?
At least YOU GOT 100/10!!
Where my parents are at, Spectrum won't finish building out the 1000 fucking feet of additional cable to provide TV and Internet to their place. They wanted to charge my parents $2500 for the 1000 foot buildout!! My parents are left with NOTHING available other than shitty and expensive Satellite Internet!
That is nice, but that is not going to happen in Buffalo, NY area. So, who is going to take over here?
I rather have charter then comcast! Comcast is EVIL. I live in upstate NY.
You seem to have had the exact opposite experience I had with the changeover from TWC to Spectrum. My prices went up, speed never changed, and down time has gone up by about dramatically. Under TWC I might have an outage for an hour or two once a year, with Spectrum it's every other month for the better part of a day.
The state of ISP's in the US is pretty pathetic, seems no matter who you choose, you get raped.