New Windows AI feature records everything you’ve done on your PC

Should be great for all those people with memory worse than a goldfish nowadays. (y)
seriously. i can remember what path to take still in raiders of the lost ark for atari2600, cant remember where i put my keys 5mins ago.
 
My problems with this is that 1) it exists; and 2) it’s going to be on by default.

I simply do not trust that this will be 100% local. We’ll see when it actually lands and people test it with no network or do packet captures on it.

At least initially it’ll be restricted to devices with the Qualcomm chip at first.
 
How many times are people going to say "just turn it off" before you just choose a different OS.
MS in NO WAY is giving customers what they want, not even close anymore.
It's like a spouse getting the crap beat out of her by her husband and while she is still crying she says but but "he loves me".
Funny you mention that - one of the first things that came to mind for me was how quickly an abusive partner could wield this as a weapon against their spouse or children.

On a sniff test there's no way this passes the GDPR, and I wouldn't let this onto any machine I use. Hell, I feel queasy about having a Windows 11 machine at all, even knowing the little desktop I built for the kids can't do this kind of invidious crap.

Can I express how tired I am of this ill-considered bullshit being rolled out everywhere because the industry’s been sold on it, regardless of the increase in power usage, rate of hardware obsolescence, or the pointlessness of the features to nearly anyone who isn’t an investor or middle management flunky?
 
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"But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Microsoft openly admits that Recall will be taking screenshots of your passwords and private data"

Yeah, that's a big F no...not on my PC
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Microsoft means well, and I don't think it's going to share this info with the cloud, but... yeah, there are questions about security, and some people just won't feel comfortable using it.

I wouldn't balk at a Copilot+ PC, but this also makes me feel better about being a Mac user.
 
This will absolutely get me to move to Nobara or something similar. I don't even trust "disabling" this stuff. May preemptively move soon even as much as I really don't want to.
 
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Copilot in general freaks me out after seeing what it can do in Teams outside of a sandbox ...potential for gathering data from private conversations scares me. The transcription function for in office meetings is pretty cool to see though .
 
I don't think anyone is assuming there is no OFF switch. However it will certainly be strictly opt out, and we all know it is hard to opt out of something you don't know about.
I also wouldn't trust MS for the OFF option to do what is expected. Off might just mean you don't get the benefits (for what little they are worth) while they are still able to collect the data through the feature.
Some seem to talk like there is none ( I do not think it is never mentioned in a video let alone right away because they assume everyone know about it but because it make a better story to not tell people), as for
1) something you don,t know about is quite the speculation, often the first time you launch windows they proudly force you to go through the new feature, maybe a bit like cloud storage the first walkthrough will ask you if you want it on with an little bit hidded smaller button to say no.

I do not think right now, their computer are powerful enough to collect everything you do in your computer without affecting battery life, not using drive space, and showing up on the cpu-npu-ram usage.

"But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Microsoft openly admits that Recall will be taking screenshots of your passwords and private data"

Yeah, that's a big F no...not on my PC
Would you really prefer if the AI was actively trying to detect if people were writting passwords in a keybox and triggering a specific action when they detected that it was currently going on ? On the current one, completely agnostic to the type of data on the screen ?

How many people have their browser (or a third party app) recording their password, their webhistory ?
 
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How many people have their browser (or a third party app) recording their password, their webhistory ?

I can't believe you are sticking up for this, but you are also missing how bad it is. Browsers or third party apps are recording individual passwords; this would record your MASTER password for any password manager or SSO. Yes, there is adaptive MFA and the like but it is objectively less secure.
 
seriously. i can remember what path to take still in raiders of the lost ark for atari2600, cant remember where i put my keys 5mins ago.
I think you're onto something. Just need to expand the functionality to a camera recording everything you do 😉
 
And Microsoft was spying on their XBox One users with Kinect, right? Although now, we have a camera in every phone and can potentially being used for spying on their users? Basically, look, over there, quick.
 
God I'm glad I switched to Linux as my main OS after Windows 8.0 came out. I pretty much only crank up my Windows VM for gaming (games that won't work under Linux).

And you can only do that if you have dual cards and monitors setup, with a setup working to allow that. You are not playing anything but solitaire on a Virtualbox machine.
 
Microsoft means well, and I don't think it's going to share this info with the cloud, but... yeah, there are questions about security, and some people just won't feel comfortable using it.
Ain't the cloud people are worried about. It's the authorities that come looking for your info or potential buyers Microsoft could sell this info to. Microsoft isn't going to say no.
I wouldn't balk at a Copilot+ PC, but this also makes me feel better about being a Mac user.
Apple is known to do these things as well. Look at the situation with Apple and the iCloud situation where deleted photos came back with iOS 17.5 update. "Same here," said one Redditor. "I have four pics from 2010 that keep reappearing as the latest pics uploaded to iCloud. I have deleted them repeatedly." Apple is showing us why we don't want our computer to remember everything done on your computer.
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/15/ios-17-5-bug-deleted-photos-reappear/

View: https://youtu.be/w7j5Lb8EFf8?si=ozPI_mbDxADraswh
 
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I can't believe you are sticking up for this, but you are also missing how bad it is. Browsers or third party apps are recording individual passwords; this would record your MASTER password for any password manager or SSO. Yes, there is adaptive MFA and the like but it is objectively less secure.
You did not answer that part: Would you really prefer if the AI was actively trying to detect if people were writting passwords in a keybox and triggering a specific action when they detected that it was currently going on ? On the current one, completely agnostic to the type of data on the screen ?, for a reason I think, would you really prefer that ?

i will obviously remove my password manager app from recall because of paranoia, but I am not sure my third party app will be less secure than this local file encryption. But if the application write * when you type:

You need the screenshot to be taken the exact time all characters were entered, all if give as an info would be how many characters your password is ?
 
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I have taped my camera's off for a very long time. I don't use the camera's for anything.
And Microsoft was spying on their XBox One users with Kinect, right? Although now, we have a camera in every phone and can potentially being used for spying on their users? Basically, look, over there, quick.
 
Ain't the cloud people are worried about. It's the authorities that come looking for your info or potential buyers Microsoft could sell this info to. Microsoft isn't going to say no.
This sound like a complete misunderstanding, how much you would need to pay for their user data the facebook, google, apple, microsoft, before AI craze it was already impossible to do so, now ?
 
The more I read about what Recall does, the more it looks like a tool for monitoring what workers are doing on their PC, there are lots of "workplace productivity monitors" that do exactly what Recall does, but they have a significant performance impact, not something most notice when they are just doing document production and having meetings and such but it's there. Recall looks to me at this point to be a streamlined version of that built-in, I don't do that but It's been requested on multiple occasions that I do, I have always been able to tell them that the licensing wasn't in the budget. I fear I will not be able to tell the brass that if this does become a thing :'(
 
Microsoft means well, and I don't think it's going to share this info with the cloud, but... yeah, there are questions about security, and some people just won't feel comfortable using it.

I wouldn't balk at a Copilot+ PC, but this also makes me feel better about being a Mac user.
No, Microsoft doesn't mean well and this has been evident through the years of doing the opposite of what consumers need/want.
 
Ain't the cloud people are worried about. It's the authorities that come looking for your info or potential buyers Microsoft could sell this info to. Microsoft isn't going to say no.

Apple is known to do these things as well. Look at the situation with Apple and the iCloud situation where deleted photos came back with iOS 17.5 update. "Same here," said one Redditor. "I have four pics from 2010 that keep reappearing as the latest pics uploaded to iCloud. I have deleted them repeatedly." Apple is showing us why we don't want our computer to remember everything done on your computer.
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/15/ios-17-5-bug-deleted-photos-reappear/

View: https://youtu.be/w7j5Lb8EFf8?si=ozPI_mbDxADraswh

While there are concerns, there's a difference between an (already fixed) bug and an intentional feature.
 
Microsoft has prove who they really are. Only fools believe them. All they care about is MONEY. And do what ever it takes. They didn't make Trillions by being nice to the world!
Microsoft means well, and I don't think it's going to share this info with the cloud, but... yeah, there are questions about security, and some people just won't feel comfortable using it.

I wouldn't balk at a Copilot+ PC, but this also makes me feel better about being a Mac user.
 
Microsoft has prove who they really are. Only fools believe them. All they care about is MONEY. And do what ever it takes. They didn't make Trillions by being nice to the world!
Which for stuff like this is exactly what we want, the second they would care about anything else (changing the world, politics, aspiration, ideology etc...) would be really troublesome, profit chasing is predictable, non-discriminatory and what company should focus on, let free citizen via their consumption determine what profit chasing company end up doing with what they decide to purchase.

If they find network packet that phone home recall stuff or that it does not turn off when you ask it too, it would be absolutely terrible for their stock price, that where any little trust for anyone to take it quite seriously we can have, it would be impossible to any trust in a group of people that do not want to make profit (how could we ever trust those and on what base)
 
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And you can only do that if you have dual cards and monitors setup, with a setup working to allow that. You are not playing anything but solitaire on a Virtualbox machine.
I have dual graphics cards, one for the Linux side and one for the VM. I'm running an AMD 5950 with 32GB RAM so each side has 8 cores and 16GB RAM.
 
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This sound like a complete misunderstanding, how much you would need to pay for their user data the facebook, google, apple, microsoft, before AI craze it was already impossible to do so, now ?
Do we really need another avenue for data brokers to buy our data? Should be illegal all together.
While there are concerns, there's a difference between an (already fixed) bug and an intentional feature.
You're missing the part where Apple still had photos that people deleted from 14 years ago. Is the feature so that Apple never forgets deleted pictures?
 
Do we really need another avenue for data brokers to buy our data? Should be illegal all together.
I meant those tech giant about never sold data before and will less than ever now, it is quite precious for them and already the best to moneytise it themselve, they will continue to sell services that use their data they keep for them.
 
Microsoft has prove who they really are. Only fools believe them. All they care about is MONEY. And do what ever it takes. They didn't make Trillions by being nice to the world!
Not defending Microsoft here, but... most companies are focused on money. I don't pretend that Apple is doing most things out of the goodness of its heart, either. Now, there are relative levels of ethical behavior among these companies, but I always remind myself that companies aren't my friends.
 
As long as it's off by default, and never sends data to others.....
But then again, we or a resource for others to milk.
 
Apple is known to do these things as well. Look at the situation with Apple and the iCloud situation where deleted photos came back with iOS 17.5 update. "Same here," said one Redditor. "I have four pics from 2010 that keep reappearing as the latest pics uploaded to iCloud. I have deleted them repeatedly." Apple is showing us why we don't want our computer to remember everything done on your computer.

While I don't believe anything posted on Reddit, there's one thing I do know: The cloud is just someone else's computer.
 
Damn... fairly steep minimum requirements.. I guess MS figures why let all your resources go to waste...

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Damn... fairly steep minimum requirements.. I guess MS figures why let all your resources go to waste...
No pc can use the copliot+PC branding without all of those requirement I think to start with, making it fully redundant and just copy pasted without any thought.
 
Damn... fairly steep minimum requirements.. I guess MS figures why let all your resources go to waste...

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8 logical cores is basically 4 cores+multithreading. 16 GB of RAM is fairly standard in most newer laptops I would think, although that's the steepest part of the requirement. Well no, sorry, the 256GB dedicated just to Copilot (if that's what the requirement means) is in itself very steep, as many smaller form factor PCs are very much skimping out and price gouging on storage capacity.

Like FFS the new Surface Pro:

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Should not even have a freaking option for 256GB. Who the hell thinks 256GB is sufficient on any modern PC with how bloated programs have become, and how cheap flash storage is atm? And I guess since they're marketing the new Surface Pro as Copilot capable, and it can have as low as 256GB, that requirement for recall is hopefully the total storage.

Not that I would get any Windows 11 computer any time soon, because:

The more I read about what Recall does, the more it looks like a tool for monitoring what workers are doing on their PC, there are lots of "workplace productivity monitors" that do exactly what Recall does, but they have a significant performance impact, not something most notice when they are just doing document production and having meetings and such but it's there. Recall looks to me at this point to be a streamlined version of that built-in, I don't do that but It's been requested on multiple occasions that I do, I have always been able to tell them that the licensing wasn't in the budget. I fear I will not be able to tell the brass that if this does become a thing :'(

Yeah, I've heard of those. They're incredibly neurotic and invasive. And even putting that aside, I simply don't trust that kind of data being all neatly arranged on my PC. These companies are notorious for opt out switches that just "somehow" get magically turned back on again, or if there was some sort of exploit to get to this data easily, ALL OF YOUR DETAILS are suddenly data broker territory. And those data brokers are 100% interested in this much crap. It's literally all of your little habits and nuances, recorded. Ironically, it would probably give leapfrog advancement levels to psychological fields if somehow institutes got access to it, but that's not where it's going to go (not that I would want it to go there, either lol).
 
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Well no, sorry, the 256GB dedicated just to Copilot (if that's what the requirement means) is in itself very steep,
No it is the harddrive (which you cannot call your PC a copilot pc with 128GB ssd regardless), Copilot does not use that much, it depend how long you want stuff recorded and how much you use the computer.

Who the hell thinks 256GB is sufficient on any modern PC

I imagine it is for people that use them mostly as a thin remote client to log in an employer (or their own hosted) session and just a webbrowser otherwise, which is a somewhat common use case for those very thin laptop. How much would be left after a modern OS install, probably not much.

Those people often still want nice keyboard, monitor and be very snappy for the webbrowsing that will occur (and if you have good monitor it will not be cheap anyway), creating a market for relatively expensive yet just 256gb machine and it is a company expense.
 
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Should not even have a freaking option for 256GB. Who the hell thinks 256GB is sufficient on any modern PC with how bloated programs have become, and how cheap flash storage is atm? And I guess since they're marketing the new Surface Pro as Copilot capable, and it can have as low as 256GB, that requirement for recall is hopefully the total storage.

Not that I would get any Windows 11 computer any time soon, because:
The overwhelming majority of the computers I have here will be lucky if they ever fill out 128 GB let alone 256. The local drive houses the OS and installed programs and nothing else, it's a liability, set up cloud sync and have it all kept in OneDrive or Sharepoint.
Consumer use yeah you are going to want 512 as the minimum, but I can't imagine many consumers buying the Surface Pros, I mean I am sure there are some but there are so many better options, it's like buying a Mac Studio to do high school English assignments, if you really love the form factor then I suppose but sheesh...
The 16 GB model with the 256 is the type I would buy in bulk, roll out a monitor upgrade to the 4K options with integrated USBC docking hubs and you're ready to go.
Pair that with Intune and have Microsoft push your profiles out to it before it ships, then when it arrives you only need to do the final polishing and maybe assign it a user and update whatever you are using for Inventory Management.
 
Well, Co pilot does not appear to be part of my existing 23H2 installation of the Windows 11 Pro install I have had working for almost 2 years. Does it instantly run programs by using your voice, like I could do back in 1993 with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and a program I installed. Or a program I using in 2002 that did voice commands in games, like Star Trek Bridge Commander? I like Kinect 2.0 but it died and other than using Siri for really basic stuff, voice commands have been a thing of the past for me.
 
Finally, you can find again that one Linux distribution that you really liked from a previous incognito session.
 
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