New Titan X announced, 12GB GDDR5X, $1200

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Ieldra

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So does GP102 have thew same Double Precision beef of the P100? Nobody seems to have any hard data on that, but I'm guessing not.

If not, then it's clear what the target market here is: a MUCH CHEAPER TO BUILD P100 suitable for most compute tasks :D

Nope. 1/32 FP64 just like GP104. It's identical to GP104, but 50% bigger. That's it. Probably around 460mm
 

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You just want to "tack on" SM to an existing SKU...excuse me while I do a face to desk.

Hint:

Look into how NVIDIA made 3:2:1 SKU's with first Maxwell and now Pascal.

Well they should have spent their billions more efficiently to fill my 600mm^2 die space better.

Disappointed.
 

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Nope. 1/32 FP64 just like GP104. It's identical to GP104, but 50% bigger. That's it. Probably around 460mm

Right, sounds lie an excellent compromise, and should result in fantastic yields (smaller chips are good on an early process). It also leaves them room in the next generation on 14nm to grow the next Titan X to 600mm.
 

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I don't know how it's going to play out. IF Volta is coming relatively soon (and using 16nm FF) then we can expect top end Volta at 600mm with ~ 36SMs; 4500SP. if Volta will be on 10nm, then there's gonna be a Pascal refresh that uses up all 600mm
 

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I don't know how it's going to play out. IF Volta is coming relatively soon (and using 16nm FF) then we can expect top end Volta at 600mm with ~ 36SMs; 4500SP. if Volta will be on 10nm, then there's gonna be a Pascal refresh that uses up all 600mm

We won't likely see a nice full-chip anything for a while with the way things are going.
 

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I think the price is fair game. Price increase doesn't have to relate to a linear proportional increase in performance. To some people the diminishing returns is offset by the benefit of more power density - having a bit more power in a single card.

Not being funny but a lot of people moaning about price are probably jobless teenager gamers (we've all been there). I don't see it marketed for this space.

Commercial markets that use cards like these are expanding - VR, gpu based rendering, fluid dynamics, encoding, more and more software is becoming GPU accelerated. To guys who buy these for business, the cost has a different value.
 

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Guys. I think I figured this shit out.

This *is* the 1080ti.

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In a few weeks we'll see PCB shots and I bet it's just the FE 1080 PCB with all the phases included, which pretty much makes it the 1080ti in my books.

When that gets revealed, it'll be interesting to see how everyone still feels about the price.
 

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Nvidia really has literally blown it out of the water. I wonder if this single card can now handle 4k @ 60fps.

Is there a reason to have two of these in SLI? Multi monitor 4k?
 

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Nvidia really has literally blown it out of the water. I wonder if this single card can now handle 4k @ 60fps.

Is there a reason to have two of these in SLI? Multi monitor 4k?

Yea I'm curious what the performance on this will be like in 4K. I think a single 1080 is just a bit shy of reaching that 4K @ 60fps, so I would assume this should hit it?
 

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In a few weeks we'll see PCB shots and I bet it's just the FE 1080 PCB with all the phases included, which pretty much makes it the 1080ti in my books.

When that gets revealed, it'll be interesting to see how everyone still feels about the price.

Nvidia doesn't release TI parts unless they have unexpected competition. Right now they have NO competition. I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Although I am a little surprised by one thing. I was expecting a $999.99 MSRP, I guess Nvidia is reaching for the stars.

I hope AMD's Vega blows it out of the water. I also don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
 

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In a few weeks we'll see PCB shots and I bet it's just the FE 1080 PCB with all the phases included, which pretty much makes it the 1080ti in my books.

When that gets revealed, it'll be interesting to see how everyone still feels about the price.

You'd be wrong. Wider mem bus and greater number of mem chips -> new PCB
 

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You realize this makes you sound like a petulant child.

Hey, address the post not the poster!

Yeah I was being a little dramatic for my own amusement. Chances are I'll end up buying this anyways given my purchasing history. Trying to fight it.

What it really comes down to is reviews. But if it's only 30% over the 1080 that's a hard sell.. And I owned the 780ti, Titan X, Fury X, ect. Not sure if I can justify this bugger to myself.
 
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I think the price is fair game. Price increase doesn't have to relate to a linear proportional increase in performance. To some people the diminishing returns is offset by the benefit of more power density - having a bit more power in a single card.

Not being funny but a lot of people moaning about price are probably jobless teenager gamers (we've all been there). I don't see it marketed for this space.

Commercial markets that use cards like these are expanding - VR, gpu based rendering, fluid dynamics, encoding, more and more software is becoming GPU accelerated. To guys who buy these for business, the cost has a different value.

You are absolutely right about who this card it targeted for. It's for the folks who would also dish out $1500+ for an i7-6950X, while also dishing out $1500 for the 4TB Samsung 4TB 850 EVO, and shelling out over $800 for 128GB of speedy DDR4 RAM. Money is never the deciding factor for the select few who want all top-end parts for their build.
 

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Hey, address the post not the poster!

Yeah I was being a little dramatic for my own amusement. Chances are I'll end up buying this anyways given my purchasing history. Trying to fight it.

What it really comes down to is reviews. But if it's only 30% over the 1080 that's a hard sell.. And I owned the 780ti, Titan X, Fury X, ect. Not sure if I can justify this bugger to myself.

If you keep paying for this sort of practice it will only make them more likely to keep repeating this sort of practice.
 

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Hey, address the post not the poster!

Yeah I was being a little dramatic for my own amusement. Chances are I'll end up buying this anyways given my purchasing history. Trying to fight it.

What it really comes down to is reviews. But if it's only 30% over the 1080 that's a hard sell.. And I owned the 780ti, Titan X, Fury X, ect. Not sure if I can justify this bugger to myself.
It's a pretty hard sell for anyone over a 1080, unless it can really do max settings at 4K 60fps, which is what we've all been waiting for.
 

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I think the price is fair game. Price increase doesn't have to relate to a linear proportional increase in performance. To some people the diminishing returns is offset by the benefit of more power density - having a bit more power in a single card.

Not being funny but a lot of people moaning about price are probably jobless teenager gamers (we've all been there). I don't see it marketed for this space.

Commercial markets that use cards like these are expanding - VR, gpu based rendering, fluid dynamics, encoding, more and more software is becoming GPU accelerated. To guys who buy these for business, the cost has a different value.

I agree with you to a degree, but you can't really use these for business. Wouldn't you need a double precision card for technical work?
 

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It's a pretty hard sell for anyone over a 1080, unless it can really do max settings at 4K 60fps, which is what we've all been waiting for.

It will be a great card for big system builders who crave the very best. I don't see 4K60 in every game with this card though. Always going to be a Crysis coming soon. ;) But 4K60 in most is still an accomplishment.

Then with VR every game looks like Minecraft. I'd suspect that if there was a decent looking VR game that looked like Fallout 4, Doom, or the new Tomb Raider; you'd need 4 of these again.
 

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It will be a great card for big system builders who crave the very best. I don't see 4K60 in every game with this card though. Always going to be a Crysis coming soon. ;) But 4K60 in most is still an accomplishment.

Then with VR every game looks like Minecraft. I'd suspect that if there was a decent looking VR game that looked like Fallout 4, Doom, or the new Tomb Raider; you'd need 4 of these again.
I'm still betting in VR failing epically like 3D before it.
 

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Then with VR every game looks like Minecraft. I'd suspect that if there was a decent looking VR game that looked like Fallout 4, Doom, or the new Tomb Raider; you'd need 4 of these again.

I doubt it...current VR resolution is essentially less than 1440p right now. The main issue is trying to maintain the optimal 90 FPS at that resolution. I would think that a 1080 should be able to achieve that for many current titles, maybe not everything but most should be fine.

Also, games like Raw Data look pretty damn good and that's a VR title from the ground up. It's not Crysis but it's no Minecraft.

I'm still betting in VR failing epically like 3D before it.

Spoken like someone who has never tried it.
 

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I'm still betting in VR failing epically like 3D before it.

No, I am interested in the OSVR headset for the hacking that can be done to it and I'm the cheapest SOB in the world. If they can interest me, then there is something to it. Look how long I've been using this same CPU and Intel hasn't excited me into upgrading yet.

So yes, VR isn't a complete fad just yet. ;)
 

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I doubt it...current VR resolution is essentially less than 1440p right now. The main issue is trying to maintain the optimal 90 FPS at that resolution. I would think that a 1080 should be able to achieve that for many current titles, maybe not everything but most should be fine.

Also, games like Raw Data look pretty damn good and that's a VR title from the ground up. It's not Crysis but it's no Minecraft.

Seen that. I have games that look similar to that like Warframe that run at 250 fps on my 5 year old system.
 

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You'd be wrong. Wider mem bus and greater number of mem chips -> new PCB

Yes, you're right, I hadn't considered the bus increase, thankyou.

So, assuming this is a unique PCB then, would it be fair to assume that we will see that full phase 1080 PCB at some point? Surely that's gotta be the ti?

I guess worst case, in this scenario, is that it does get used, well into next year, as a 11XX part...
 

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The same could be said for the original Titan, Titan Black, Titan X, and most definitely Titan Z. Yet AIB partners all sold this card. There's just no defending this cutting out the middleman.

I would've expected them to include EVGA at the least since they are their largest, closest, and most loyal partner, but even they got dropped this round it seems.



If you run your 980 Ti SLI bone stock then maybe. OC vs OC I'm gonna wager it'll be up to 50% in select games, with 35% being more the average.

I think it's probably due to very limited supplies. Plus AIB don't like dealing with Titan X support tickets. When I opened one with evga for my original Titan X (had a faulty SLI connector) they asked me why I didn't call nvidia, I was pretty surprised they said that.
 
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I think it's probably due to very limited supplies. Plus AIB don't like dealing with Titan X support tickets. When I opened one with evga for my original Titan X (had a faulty SLI connector) they asked me why I didn't call nvidia, I was pretty surprised they said that.
That's pretty messed up. Buffalo does the same crap with their routers that have DDWRT NXT. If you have any issues with the router, they tell you to get help from the DDWRT NXT community, since Buffalo internally doesn't support it.
 

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Guys. I think I figured this shit out.

This *is* the 1080ti.

This will be rebranded as 1080ti and AIB will do custom boards and cooling

Full 30SM 3840 ALU GP102 with 24GB g5x (possibly 12GT/s) will take its place as Titan

Either this or they'll play it like Kepler

I predict 1080Ti by Christmas.
 

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I think it's probably due to very limited supplies. Plus AIB don't like dealing with Titan X support tickets. When I opened one with evga for my original Titan X (had a faulty SLI connector) they asked me why I didn't call nvidia, I was pretty surprised they said that.

Should've done the RMA in person so you could :rolleyes: and then point to the EVGA sticker without saying a single word.
 

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Can someone please explain why this isn't the "full" chip? People seem to be upset that nVidia is leaving something on the table. Is there a chart or something that shows what the untapped potential is?
 

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New Titan X sounds good to me. I'm getting closer to 144Hz 1440p gaming at max settings. Will be selling my EVGA FE for a good price in the near future.
 

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Can someone please explain why this isn't the "full" chip? People seem to be upset that nVidia is leaving something on the table. Is there a chart or something that shows what the untapped potential is?
People are upset because they don't understand what they are talking about. This is GP102 it is based off the Pascal GP100 chip which is not designed for gaming, this chip is. The die size is also smaller, but there is no tangible reason to get all hot and bothered by that.
 

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People are upset because they don't understand what they are talking about. This is GP102 it is based off the Pascal GP100 chip which is not designed for gaming, this chip is. The die size is also smaller, but there is no tangible reason to get all hot and bothered by that.

Well, you have to consider that people also had the expectation that it would come with HBM2, which was some of the justification for the price hike. Without that, people have been concerned about whether or not it is truly and enthusiast part, or if NV is pulling another 780 ti, where the Titan comes first and then the 1080 ti after with HBM. All a matter of speculation, but when you're spending this much money you can afford to be critical. (No pun intended, I promise)
 

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People are upset because they don't understand what they are talking about. This is GP102 it is based off the Pascal GP100 chip which is not designed for gaming, this chip is. The die size is also smaller, but there is no tangible reason to get all hot and bothered by that.

Actually if GP100 was a compute only chip, then I believe this would be a first for nVidia. But I'll have to verify that.
 

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Actually if GP100 was a compute only chip, then I believe this would be a first for nVidia. But I'll have to verify that.

Just found this while Googling:

"We do know that NVIDIA has currently focused all of their production for the GP100 GPU to HPC and data centers so the consumer variant of that chip if ever launched should be seen in 2017"

Read more: NVIDIA Pascal GP102 GPU For Next-Gen GTX Titan Graphics Card Spotted - Several GP100 and GP104 SKUs Also Confirmed
 

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Wouldn't a cut down version of the the GP102 make it as the 1080Ti? $999?

Making a clear performance distinctions from the 1060/1070/1080/1080Ti/TitanX. The 980Ti last generation screwed sells of both the 980 and TitanX while the 970 took away from the 980 with a performance not that much less with a big price difference.

Anyways I do not see pricing going down if Nvidia is selling everything they make. As for AMD in this space - you might as well whistle a few tunes.
 

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Actually if GP100 was a compute only chip, then I believe this would be a first for nVidia. But I'll have to verify that.
GK210 was compute-only as well.

Wouldn't a cut down version of the the GP102 make it as the 1080Ti? $999?

Making a clear performance distinctions from the 1060/1070/1080/1080Ti/TitanX. The 980Ti last generation screwed sells of both the 980 and TitanX while the 970 took away from the 980 with a performance not that much less with a big price difference.

Anyways I do not see pricing going down if Nvidia is selling everything they make. As for AMD in this space - you might as well whistle a few tunes.
OG Titan was cut-down chip as well. And yeah, i am certain we won't see 1080 Ti until big Vega starts to look like a threat.
 
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