New Soundblaster Internal card coming

Discussion in 'Computer Audio' started by The Cobra, Dec 24, 2018.

  1. IdiotInCharge

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    Can't really say; they're each targeted at different markets. In general, I'd stay away from front panel anything, as that involves running analog lines through the noise-center of the PC. Option of last resort really, unless the breakout box has its own power and DACs, which at that point it is its own sound card.

    Other side is what you'll be plugging into it. A low-impedance gaming headset is no big deal, but a high-impedance set of cans like some 250Ω Beyerdynamic DT770 bass canons or some 600Ω DT990 cans will want for more power to really fill out the frequency response at respectable volume levels. So, what are you intending to power with the sound card, and what are you intending to play?
     
  2. Alienslare

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    Man thats too much for my brain.

    Im looking at 7.1 home theatre, rock music and casual gaming.
     
  3. IdiotInCharge

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    Then hook the HDMI up to the TV and use the ARC for audio on the receiver ;)
     
  4. Alienslare

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    What :shifty:
     
  5. IdiotInCharge

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    Let the TV / receiver handle the analog to digital conversion. Just pipe it out of the PC through HDMI.
     
  6. Alienslare

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    Question: wouldn't the hdmi cable transfer Audio through the gpu ? Nvidia uses Nvidia High Definition Audio Bus.
     
  7. IdiotInCharge

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    That's the idea. It just shows up as whatever it's connected to in the audio list.
     
  8. Alienslare

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    So then what next ?

    “How?”
     
  9. IdiotInCharge

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  10. Alienslare

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    Lol
     
  11. Stanley Pain

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    HDMI audio is pretty much superior to anything else if you're running it to a receiver.
     
  12. The Cobra

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  13. djoye

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    I knew not to expect much and I'm still disappointed. I guess Creative is done with discrete 7.1. GPU HDMI out > Sound Blaster.
     
  14. IdiotInCharge

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    Was this ever a thing?

    I get it now ;)
     
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  15. Factum

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    7.1?
    I am still on a 7.1 soundcard with 7.1 speakers...7.1 is so much better (the inclusion of side speakers) than 5.1?
     
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    Their gaming cards (X-Fi, Audigy, etc.) prior to the 2011 Sound Core3D series had discrete 7.1 output. Their justification for dropping discrete 7.1 is that they don't sell 7.1 computer speakers (LOL) or not enough people use it, then again, how many people actually use 5.1 speakers? Headphones use seems prominent so they should just have one stereo output and an SPDIF connector for crappy Dolby/DTS 5.1; they could save several dollars not including all of those unnecessary connectors on their cards!

    While 5.1 works well, there is a noticeable difference with the additional speakers in a 7.1 config so I'm not giving that up. I agree with what has been said in the other thread, these cards are targeted at streamers, not audio enthusiasts.
     
  17. IdiotInCharge

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    So... I misunderstood. I agree :).

    Yeah, if you're going to go surround, 7.1 is worth it overall.

    Windows and games may be a bit different (more flexible), but generally the 'side speakers' are with 5.1, with 7.1 adding stereo rear channels.
     
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    Somewhere in the dark past, the surrounds in a 5.1 'computer speaker' setup on PC were in the rear. With my Creative X-Fi card, it lets me choose either 7.1 or 5.1 rear surround, no side surround option. My GPU lets me choose either 5.1 rear or 5.1 side surround, regardless, when feeding any 5-channel source from the GPU over HDMI, my Denon receiver doesn't care and sends it to the side surrounds like god intended. Some games (Duke Nukem Forever) fall back to stereo if you're configured in 5.1 side or 7.1, the only surround modes it only recognizes are quadraphonic and 5.1 rear surround! The 5.1 side and 7.1 modes are considered 'home theater' modes in DirectX. What's equally annoying is that when you have Windows set to 7.1, most games that only acknowledge up to 5.1 will send audio to the rear instead of the sides due to there being no logic to catch that error or that just being accepted as correct. Fortunately newer audio middleware (Wwise and CRI ADX) recognizes when Windows reports >6 speakers and then puts the surround in the side speakers if the developer chose to limit their game to 5.1, this shows in Resident Evil 7 and Life is Strange: Before the Storm.

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  19. Odigo

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    I'm surprised people still buy internal. I was never a fan of creatives driver updates (or lack thereof).
     
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    They've been better than worse in the Windows 7 to 10 era, however, the hardware hasn't really been overly inspiring even as there are real opportunities for Creative in the audio market.
     
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    Care to share any examples of your disappointment with their "lack of driver updates"? They are still putting out new and rather prompt driver updates for X-Fi cards that came out 10-15 years ago. Compare that to say, Nvidia that has already mostly abandoned Geforce 500 series and older (only 8 years old), and AMD that has also mostly abandoned Radeon 6000 series and older (only 8 years old). I'm not really understanding when people say that Creative has bad driver support unless it's because they havn't actually used a creative card since Windows 98.
     
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    Last card I had, that I just recently got rid of, was a X-FI. I didn't have any issues but the driver updates were few and far between (year gaps). I guess it's fine if no one has problems.

     
  23. Odigo

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    I stand corrected. I see they had a updated in June. Prior was 2016.

     
  24. VIC-20

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    The AE-9 is by far the cheapest way of getting your hands on an ESS Sabre Pro DAC. External DACs that have it are typically in the thousands of dollars range. Its bargain basement really.

    There is some Sabre Pro DACs you can order from China that are affordable, but none in a known good brand. (Topping, SMSL, etc.) The AE5 measurements are quite good, so it appears Creative knows how to engineer a good DAC. (Their external USB E5 DAC measures great too if you don't run it at max output)
     
  25. IdiotInCharge

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    These are known good brands- I have a Topping balanced DAC/Amp running higher end headphones and JBL studio monitors. SMSL makes similar products. Dead simple and sound great.

    As to the AE9- given that you can't access the DAC directly, I don't see it has having much impact, and it's inside the system.
     
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    Fairly irrelevant given how poor the IC amp likely is, etc.

    By the way, the Strix raid dlx has a fairly high end ESS dac as well - but none of the measurements on these cards are done at the actual output. It just doesn’t matter.
     
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  27. VIC-20

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    You misread. There is no known good brands (ie/such as Topping, SMSL) for Sabre Pros. Topping makes great gear. But they are all Sabre 2 channel DAC chips.
     
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    Measurements are done on the amp side and line-out. You can just line-out to a better amp. - For example: https://jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/

    https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/dac/asus-strix-raid-dlx.php

    https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/dac/creative-sound-blaster-ae-5-hp.php

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ements-of-sound-blasterx-g6.7016/#post-158384

    I'd sooner buy a Khadas tone board, but if you want a better DAC chip than the ESS mobiles, these sound cards are actually a viable option.
     
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    I was commenting on the brands, not the DACs used- which for an internal sound card I'm not getting excited about, not at least without significant cross referencing of third-party measurements. I'm certainly not taking Creative's marketing at face value, what a load of BS that is.
     
  30. Comixbooks

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    With windows 95 and Windows 98 Creative drivers were horible I would have to install them all the time over again with that little bolt of lightning sound.
     
  31. VIC-20

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    This isn't Creative:

    https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/about.php

    You are right, Creative specs are higher than tested. But they are very good on their new products and at least trade blows with some mainstream external DACs.
     
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    This can be untrue in many situations.
    For surround you are likely correct, but not if the AVR amp has multi channel analogue in and the AVR DAC is not as good as that on your soundcard.
    For stereo, HDMI is a terrible transport for sound quality. You only put up with it for surround because there is little other choice.
    If the DAC in the AVR is any good you will find optical in is the better solution for stereo.
    With a poor DAC you probably wont care which transport you use.
     
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    Looking through other reviews ae-9 and ae-7 are coming August 2019. Not holding my breath though. Thought going to be released months ago.