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I'm buying a FT02 as soon as somebody answers this question.
What should I buy to ensure neat cabling?
1. I'm getting some SATA power extensions because I'm worried my old Seasonic S12 won't reach the HDD slots.
2. Clips?
3. People are buying thumbscrews... what for?
What should I buy to ensure neat cabling?
1. I'm getting some SATA power extensions because I'm worried my old Seasonic S12 won't reach the HDD slots.
2. Clips?
3. People are buying thumbscrews... what for?
Hi, i have just buy a CFP53B for my FT02-WRI and ... i got a great disappointment.
I have wrote to Silverstone support and they responde me that they have changed the item information adding this information:
I guess most people have had the same problem with this box for hard drives. The problem at hand is that the trim of 5.25 (sorry for my English, i dont know the exact name) do not fit.
I think this picture is clearer
I think if you hand cut the trim would fit but the problem is that if tomorrow I take the other box cfp53b for trims not fit me. You can buy other new trims at a store?
I have wrote to Silverstone support and they responde me that they have changed the item information adding this information:
I guess most people have had the same problem with this box for hard drives. The problem at hand is that the trim of 5.25 (sorry for my English, i dont know the exact name) do not fit.
I think this picture is clearer
I think if you hand cut the trim would fit but the problem is that if tomorrow I take the other box cfp53b for trims not fit me. You can buy other new trims at a store?
The most important thing I would say for good cable management is patience.
I must have routed each cable 3-4 different ways to see what fit best and to keep my mobo side panel from bulging. Behind the mobo tray is not pretty at all, buy I used the smallest sized zip ties I could find once I found the correct routing of the cables to keep them in place and to ensure they looked good on the other side. Everything that is visible is tidy and I did not have to use zip ties for the GFX card and mobo power on the front side of the mobo tray. Mobo power come from behind and the GFX power is along the top of the fans. This was the best route for me.
As for the length of your S12 cables (is that 600W? I think I had that one) I cant comment on that as I never had it in the FT-02. I will say that I made sure that the PSU I bought for my FT-02 build was noted as having longer cables. Running along the back of the mobo to the HDDs isnt that far, but if you want to keep it neat and allow multiple paths to keep the cables spread out and the left hand panel from bulging, the extenders might be a smart move.
I would like to know what the thumb screws are for as well.
I bought thumb screws for cool anodized black ones. Cost jack all with free shipping on ebay. I use them for my pci, side panels and psu.
Also, if you have no patience for cable management buy an 800d
Those have stupid amounts of back panel space. That being said, it's supposed to be for hdd ventilation.
In all seriousness, zip ties and cable clamps (1/2" diameter maybe? Mine are too small.) and some effort. Still easier to fit cables than fractals.
My son has an FT02.
I bought him a Corsair HX 850 to power the computer and he uses two GTX 580s in SLi currently.....
The HX 850 has very good cable management capability, and the modularity is just the ticket for this case.
I only had to buy two extenders for the second GPU, due to my routing techniques, everything else was plenty long.
You just have to play with the cables to find the best route. There are plenty of access points. You'll need zip-ties.
The back of the case could be a little roomier, especially for routing the 24 pin MB cable, but it's do-able.
I just replace my old case fans with the AP181s and a Sentry Mesh fan controller (I bought the case before it came with them). Didn't really have any issues, but the wire length for the front fan to the switch was rather short for the case, and does anyone know the size of the screws used to secure the switches to the case? Two of mine are pretty stripped.
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Hi, i have just buy a CFP53B for my FT02-WRI and ... i got a great disappointment.
I have wrote to Silverstone support and they responde me that they have changed the item information adding this information:
I guess most people have had the same problem with this box for hard drives. The problem at hand is that the trim of 5.25 (sorry for my English, i dont know the exact name) do not fit.
I think this picture is clearer
I think if you hand cut the trim would fit but the problem is that if tomorrow I take the other box cfp53b for trims not fit me. You can buy other new trims at a store?
I would just dremel or cut doesn the fins on the covers to fit. I did that for my TJ07.
I think the screw size is in the manual.
Ahh, you're right, it's not listed at the table at the beginning, but buried later in the manual, so I missed it. Thanks!
Just finished my build and I absolutely love this case. Need to get some better pictures this weekend though!
It should be mentioned, for anyone doing a similar setup using a R4E and a Phantek PH-TC14PE that the first PCIe slot will put your graphics card RIGHT up next to the metal fan clips. I ended up wrapping both of the left clips with electrical tape as the distance between the clip and the back of the card was ~1mm.
It should be mentioned, for anyone doing a similar setup using a R4E and a Phantek PH-TC14PE that the first PCIe slot will put your graphics card RIGHT up next to the metal fan clips. I ended up wrapping both of the left clips with electrical tape as the distance between the clip and the back of the card was ~1mm.
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myriad, that is an elite selection of componentry!
Stunning build, really...
Stunning build, really...
Does the NoVibes 3 leave the 5.25" bays completely wide open, letting all the sound insulation of the case escape? Anyone think that's kind of pointless? Why wouldn't they design it so the drive bay can fit over the frame, allowing you to close off the open spaces around the bay?
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Wow, Myriad.
Don't take this personal, but here is where I (as any good builder should) rip you a new one.
1. Why on earth would anyone put a giant air cooler in this case? It won't be any quieter or more effective than a good integrated water-cooler. It's not like you're going to increase your overclock more than 100MHz.
2. Why on earth would you put a GTX690 in this case? That bottom exhaust is about an inch or less from an AP fan. The net airflow over the second GPU will be much closer to zero than it should be.
3. Who needs a 1200W PSU for a single CPU and a dual-GPU card that's limited to 375W of power? You could add a second GPU and still be 500W in excess. Under a torturous load.
4. Your 'workstation' board can support four GPUs, but this case cannot! Isn't that fun? --I understand that you can put other things in those slots...
Money --> Problem - Sense- to the extreme.
Don't take this personal, but here is where I (as any good builder should) rip you a new one.
1. Why on earth would anyone put a giant air cooler in this case? It won't be any quieter or more effective than a good integrated water-cooler. It's not like you're going to increase your overclock more than 100MHz.
2. Why on earth would you put a GTX690 in this case? That bottom exhaust is about an inch or less from an AP fan. The net airflow over the second GPU will be much closer to zero than it should be.
3. Who needs a 1200W PSU for a single CPU and a dual-GPU card that's limited to 375W of power? You could add a second GPU and still be 500W in excess. Under a torturous load.
4. Your 'workstation' board can support four GPUs, but this case cannot! Isn't that fun? --I understand that you can put other things in those slots...
Money --> Problem - Sense- to the extreme
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Maybe he likes the look? Also, unless he's putting an H100 in there (which isn't very aesthetically pleasing) The Phanteks should get the same temperature as the best performing 120mm self-contained units with less noise.
Because it really doesn't matter. People have been putting 5970s, 6990s, and other cards that exhaust back into the case without issues for a while now. Not to mention GK104 doesn't run very hot as is.
That's like saying anybody that has a motherboard that can support multiple cards SHOULD be running multiple cards...
Money --> Problem - Sense- to the extreme
Funny, I didn't see you chime in on the murderbox thread
The build looks good to me.
We're getting all compound-quoted up in here.
Basically everything you said Fark, and thank you: H100 fits but looks horrible, and just kind of lays atop the 180s, and both the Antec 920 and Corsair H80 actually perform worse when used in an exhaust configuration. Unless someone makes a 180mm self-contained unit, I'll wait and go the MagiCool 540rad route.
As for the 'motherboard not being sufficiently propagated', or whatever the hell that means, a secondary 690 is be sought, which should also satisfy your '1200w power supply overkill' comment.
So please, IdiotInCharge: research has been done for a long time and the performance is absolutely stellar; either relish in the beautiful results or simply refrain.
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Like I said- don't take it personally.
If you bought it for aesthetics, I understand (I'm subscribed to this thread because at one time I really wanted an FT-02). It's just that the match-up of parts really doesn't make sense, which is what I'm pointing out.
A few 'rebuttals' for discussion:
1. The H100 is a good performer but is tested to be louder than an H80 when both are set to 'low'; the H80 when set to low will still provide more cooling than an overclocked Intel CPU needs to be stable 24/7. If you need more than an H80, you need chilled liquid or nitrogen. Further, in a case like the FT-02, you get an amazing boost because those AP181/182s are pushing a large volume of air into a box. Whatever test highlights the performance of these coolers on an open bench is inherently invalid in this enclosure. Tower coolers benefit much less from the FT-02's layout than integrated water-coolers.
2. If you just need two x16 slots, why spend more for a board with four? The cost skyrockets, the utility doesn't.
3. You'd need that AX1200 if you had three or four overclocked AMD cards in there; your setup, WITH a second GTX690, doesn't need more than an AX850. More waste, for no other apparent reason than to spend money.
Look, I understand buying the 'best,' and I understand not everyone is an expert a component selection, and I understand some people will recommend what you ask for- I don't do that. There are reasons to use an FT-02, a workstation board with 4 16x PCIe slots, and a 1200W PSU, but running a pair of dual-GPU cards and an overclocked Intel CPU aren't among them.
If you bought it for aesthetics, I understand (I'm subscribed to this thread because at one time I really wanted an FT-02). It's just that the match-up of parts really doesn't make sense, which is what I'm pointing out.
A few 'rebuttals' for discussion:
1. The H100 is a good performer but is tested to be louder than an H80 when both are set to 'low'; the H80 when set to low will still provide more cooling than an overclocked Intel CPU needs to be stable 24/7. If you need more than an H80, you need chilled liquid or nitrogen. Further, in a case like the FT-02, you get an amazing boost because those AP181/182s are pushing a large volume of air into a box. Whatever test highlights the performance of these coolers on an open bench is inherently invalid in this enclosure. Tower coolers benefit much less from the FT-02's layout than integrated water-coolers.
2. If you just need two x16 slots, why spend more for a board with four? The cost skyrockets, the utility doesn't.
3. You'd need that AX1200 if you had three or four overclocked AMD cards in there; your setup, WITH a second GTX690, doesn't need more than an AX850. More waste, for no other apparent reason than to spend money.
Look, I understand buying the 'best,' and I understand not everyone is an expert a component selection, and I understand some people will recommend what you ask for- I don't do that. There are reasons to use an FT-02, a workstation board with 4 16x PCIe slots, and a 1200W PSU, but running a pair of dual-GPU cards and an overclocked Intel CPU aren't among them
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Maybe you've forgotten how much heat a SB-E CPU puts out... If you read some reviews an overclocked 3930k can easily draw 250w+. Also, positive pressure doesn't give an H80 nearly as much of a boost as you claim. There are posts out there of people showing dual-tower heatsinks outperforming H80s in FT02s.
Why do you have an X-Fi Fatal1ty? You don't need one, not to metnion true audio enthusiasts would never own such a product. Why do you have a fullsize ATX board? You only need a mATX one (a Maximus IV Extreme would do the same for you). Why do you have an X650? You're not saving any money over a bronze rated efficient PSU due to the higher entry cost. You can't seem to get past the "board supports four GPUs." so why did you get the Extreme4 when a Pro3 SE costs A LOT less and still supports two GPUs? You could've spent far less on your system with my recommendations than the difference between the RIVE and a P9X79 Deluxe.
Probably because Corsair didn't have a 1kW gold unit until VERY recently, not to mention it's not fully modular. Dual OC'd 690s + OC'd 3930k all maxed can surpass 850W, not to mention other system components. Margin isn't a bad thing to have.
Why is this relevant? Nobody asked for your recommendations. Are your recommendations reasonable? Yes. Are they end-all, be-all? Certainly not. Do you go around to BMW/Mercedes/ect owners and tell them that they're poor car purchasers because a VW/Toyota/Ford will get to from point A to point B in the same amount of time with better fuel economy too?
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My build is old- the board was purchased when Z68 was released, and far fewer options existed. But we're not talking about my build, I don't own an FT-02, nor did I massively over-spend on it just for the 'bling'.
It's relevant because it's a bad example; it's quite obviously 'I have money so I spent it on shiny stuff'. It ignores price/performance and real function in favor of 'I heard this was the best stuff out there'. Again, it's not 'wrong' and it's not 'broken', the parts definitely work together, but they're also mismatched. He posted it in a forum, critiques should be expected.
Also, your car example is out of whack.
It's relevant because it's a bad example; it's quite obviously 'I have money so I spent it on shiny stuff'. It ignores price/performance and real function in favor of 'I heard this was the best stuff out there'. Again, it's not 'wrong' and it's not 'broken', the parts definitely work together, but they're also mismatched. He posted it in a forum, critiques should be expected.
Also, your car example is out of whack.
Maybe he likes the look? Also, unless he's putting an H100 in there (which isn't very aesthetically pleasing) The Phanteks should get the same temperature as the best performing 120mm self-contained units with less noise.
Because it really doesn't matter. People have been putting 5970s, 6990s, and other cards that exhaust back into the case without issues for a while now. Not to mention GK104 doesn't run very hot as is.
That's like saying anybody that has a motherboard that can support multiple cards SHOULD be running multiple cards...
Funny, I didn't see you chime in on the murderbox thread
The build looks good to me.
All valid points.
Also.....MURRRDERRRBOXXXXXX!
Feb next year I may be selling my FT-02 (rad+pump+res+optical bracket)
If the big MB project pans out.
Someday you'll learn that just because people have different priorities to you doesn't make them stupid.
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IdiotInCharge said:
IdiotInCharge said:
So your words only apply to what you want them to... Double standard much?
JayJapanB said:
What custom optical configuration are you running?
Standard silverstone 5.25 slotload bracket with some hp bluray drive in it. Not really that custom. Looks sick though. Good way to minimise visible plastic.
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Why are you here?
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Scroll back brotha.
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No, they apply to the poster mentioned. Attacking my system because I criticized someone else's is childish, especially when you admit that the system in question deserves criticism.
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Once again, double standards. It's ok for you to do it, but for him... no way! You can't say that you follow your "expert system building guidelines" by which you judge others. I'm not attacking your system, rather I'm attacking your erroneous reasons for attacking others. Do I think you're a "poor" system builder for your setup? No. I do think you're poor at system critiquing for thinking that "one set of priorities fits all."
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Again, not talking about my build. Not sure why that's a hard one for you.
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As you said:
IdiotInCharge said:
You posted your rig in your signature, critiques should be expected.
Again, not attacking your rig, attacking your hypocritical reasons (which your rig is evidence of). Not sure why that's a hard one for you.IdiotInCharge said:
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I didn't post my rig in an FT-02 in a thread about the FT-02, thanks though. Still having a hard time?
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I didn't make your rig the main subject in a discussion on your flawed reasons for trolling, thanks though. Still having a hard time?
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I didn't make your rig the main subject in a discussion on your flawed reasons for trolling, thanks though. Still having a hard time?
My critique was on-topic- you continue to try to push the discussion elsewhere. Life must be hard for you?
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Why is Myriad's rig so balla'????
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You're on the internet. Get over it. If you come into a forum and start slinging shit because you're jealous that someone else has the cash to drop on a system like that, don't whine when shit gets slung back.
You don't really have grounds to criticize anyone else's very capable hardware. Similarly, no one else has grounds to criticize yours, unless you start something, which you did, then your system, qualifications, and mom are fair game.
Pack up your balls and go home.
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I stated in the original criticism that I wasn't trying to sling shit; a critique isn't about denigrating a person for their choice, but reviewing the choice itself. It isn't personal, and it is in the context of this thread. Grow up and realize that the internet doesn't have to be infested with junior high students; useful and pertinent discussions can actually take place.
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IdiotInCharge said:
Likewise, a critique on your critique isn't about denegrating your system, but reviewing the original critique itself. Responding to a critique about the FT02 isn't personal, and it is part of the context of this thread.
IdiotInCharge said:
Character attack with nothing pertaining to the subject is indictive of junior high behavior when losing an argument due to lack of material.
You can't have a useful and pertinent discussion with narrow-minded, non-sensical arguments that portrays the arguer as a hypocrite. Furthermore, the failure to explain/defend those arguments by "dodging the question," or, "changing the focus," subtracts from any usefulness and pertinence.
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Your critique of mine was 'his rig is awesome, what's wrong with you?!?'. You took it personally, even while admitting that the critique was valid, even after reading the part that said 'this isn't personal'. You're still attacking me as if I made a personal attack, which I didn't.
I've explained my arguments enough. If you want to continue blabbering, fine, but you've pushed this thread off course without adding a single useful thing to the OP.
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His critique of your argument was more "It's not your money, he has a pretty great system, why do you care what he spent putting it together?" in response to what amounted to a personal attack on the system builder (in that it directly questioned the system builder's decision making skills and implied that they were deficient because you failed to understand that his priorities were probably different than yours). Following that, you were snotty and defensive to anyone that questioned your critique. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Since you've been so unpleasant, and since you personally attacked the system builder as outlined above, you deserve any personal attacks that you're on the receiving end of.
You've explained your arguments, but that doesn't mean the arguments or explanation were good, or that your explanation justified them. The thread was fine until you started thread crapping, now you're trying to take your dump and leave.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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I did criticize his component selection in a critique. Again, I stated it wasn't personal; my critique was not for his immediate benefit, it was for anyone else reading this thread. I wrote it because I took exception to his 'hey look at my awesome over-priced unevenly spec'd system' post. Yes, his system is nice, and yes, those parts should 'work' together. He still spent significantly more than he needed to for that level of performance, and having an AP fan blowing straight into a GPU exhaust is just bad design.
Again, I don't have a problem with him, but if he wants to highlight his system in a thread about the case he used, and made such obvious configuration over-specs, then some critiquing from the community should be expected.
Perhaps he got the big bad board with plans that he'll be getting another 690 in the future... or maybe a set of three future cards in sli or something.
I don't wan't to add too much to the fluff of the thread so I'll ask the someone please post more pix of their case
I don't wan't to add too much to the fluff of the thread so I'll ask the someone please post more pix of their case