New Silverstone Alta F1

DWolvin

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That's weird. The case doesn't have a solid top or anything that would hold heat..?
 

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That's weird. The case doesn't have a solid top or anything that would hold heat..?
No. That vapor chamber on radiators from GPUs is guilty. Sadly i bought card from scalper and cant refound it now, cant sell it and only way for me is to change case for standard layout, all aluminum.
 

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/lrd8g6/are_my_rx_6800_xt_temps_normal_reference_design/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/k0ccmu/6800xt_card_orientation_seems_to_make_a_difference/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/khwbl2/nitro_6800xt_normal_junction_temp/

Flipping cases (that are inverted by design) is helping, so there must be something with cooler designs. I saw that by myself - first time in my life - and its true.

Dont know what is to blame, but inverted layout dont work with those GPU's.
 

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Correct, the silverstone link Hilo gave spells out that the overall package needs to have the heat generation below the overall area of cooling. It's weird that they didn't consider rotated cases.
 

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Is there a good way to know beforehand whether a GPU cooler will work or not in those cases?

The Alta F1 is appealing to me but I have really no clue if my Asus TUF 3090 will work in it.
 

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I'm connecting to question, which cards will work FOR SURE in such orientation? I'm sure GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X trio is working fine, as its my previous GPU.
 

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I run a Asus TUF 3090 in my RV-02 tweeked for silent running. With the card fans off it cruises along at a nice cool 43C. When full-on gaming it never rises much above 60C.

So I guess this specific model has no issues then! Thanks for the info.
 

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You people propably wont believe but i changed GPU specially for that case - for XFX 6800 XT, it is 34cm long, but it will hold up on the fan rails. Back in queque for Alta F1 i guess :)
 

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The more I think about Alta F1, then I get impression it's not so well-engineered case. Why? Because (except fitting longer graphics card), it got all FT02 downsides and even more:
- only 7 PCI-E expansion port. (It's even worse that FT02 case, because you can add 8ght port easily, except card cannot bee too long, because HDD cages)
(I know that on some of the videos I saw S1 or something similar(maybe Raven) with 8 PCI expansion slots, so maybe there were different prototypes). I also don't see a problem with DVD drives in top bay, because angled SATA connectors are easier to buy(I've tested and it fits perfectly with last PCI slot populated)
- only 2* 3.5" drives vs 5 in FT02 (PSU cannot bee too long too)
- only 2* 2.5" drvies(yes it's more than FT02 theoretically, except in FT02 there is plenty of 5.25, 3.5 bays and space under DPU and PSU)
- no 5.25" bays at all (I fully understand this decision)

Tony Ou: When I can fully understand decision about removing 5.25" bays and leaving only two 3.5" (in times of 20TB HDDs and SSDs), I think that the biggest problems of FT02 are:
- longer graphics card won't fit(Alta fixed it, but it's not enough, to cal it a day!)
- only 7 PCI-E slots (it was problem at beginning, why it still persists in new "Enthusiast case". And rotated case is best for multi-GPU PRO cards. And any such card requires at least 3 three slots. You've reduced case depth so much by removing 5.25" bays, so you could easily make this case 11 or even 12 slots. Even 8 or 9 would be enugh to use 3* GPUs or other accelerators, and some cards could be mounted on PCI-E expanders. Like you should guess AI guys will need plenty of GPUs and fast storage(preferably Optane, that goes into PCIe slots, or 2.5" bays as U.2[with special adapters], but adding PCIe Edge cards is easier). Removing deprecated bays, should allow new possibilites, but there's no space left to expand this case in any way. All full-size ATX motherboards got USB2&USB3 headers, usually much more than computer case supports. So having more PCIe slots in case, than motherboard supports, is very useful for USB brackets and similar stuff (it's very cheap and popular in the past accessory, and most prefers native ports to HUBs that causes compatibility issues).
Enthusiasts wants expand-ability, not fancy oversized SFFcase ;-)
 
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You people propably wont believe but i changed GPU specially for that case - for XFX 6800 XT, it is 34cm long, but it will hold up on the fan rails. Back in queque for Alta F1 i guess :)
Does rotating the cards got any impact on temps?
 

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The more I think about Alta F1, then I get impression it's not so well-engineered case. Why? Because (except fitting longer graphics card), it got all FT02 downsides and even more:
- only 7 PCI-E expansion port. (It's even worse that FT02 case, because you can add 8ght port easily, except card cannot bee too long, because HDD cages)
(I know that on some of the videos I saw S1 or something similar(maybe Raven) with 8 PCI expansion slots, so maybe there were different prototypes). I also don't see a problem with DVD drives in top bay, because angled SATA connectors are easier to buy(I've tested and it fits perfectly with last PCI slot populated)
- only 2* 3.5" drives vs 5 in FT02 (PSU cannot bee too long too)
- only 2* 2.5" drvies(yes it's more than FT02 theoretically, except in FT02 there is plenty of 5.25, 3.5 bays and space under DPU and PSU)
- no 5.25" bays at all (I fully understand this decision)

Tony Ou: When I can fully understand decision about removing 5.25" bays and leaving only two 3.5" (in times of 20TB HDDs and SSDs), I think that the biggest problems of FT02 are:
- longer graphics card won't fit(Alta fixed it, but it's not enough, to cal it a day!)
- only 7 PCI-E slots (it was problem at beginning, why it still persists in new "Enthusiast case". And rotated case is best for multi-GPU PRO cards. And any such card requires at least 3 three slots. You've reduced case depth so much by removing 5.25" bays, so you could easily make this case 11 or even 12 slots. Even 8 or 9 would be enugh to use 3* GPUs or other accelerators, and some cards could be mounted on PCI-E expanders. Like you should guess AI guys will need plenty of GPUs and fast storage(preferably Optane, that goes into PCIe slots, or 2.5" bays as U.2[with special adapters], but adding PCIe Edge cards is easier). Removing deprecated bays, should allow new possibilites, but there's no space left to expand this case in any way. Enthusiasts wants expand-ability, not fancy SFF case ;-)
I also agree, more PCI slots woult be better specially for GPU temps. As You said, most of new GPU's are 3 slot, leaving very tiny gap between GPU cooler and PSU Shroud - last GPU fan (on top) will recycle hot air from its own cooler, unless pressure from case fans will be high enough to pomp fresh air to the top GPU fan, but even then, that fress air will instantly get out of case through top case fans.

I also would love to see E-ATX Alfa F1 version.

Saddly, SS wont change current version of Alta, as Tony said before.

Buuuuuuut i have some DIY in plans and that will definetly be PSU shroud with perforated metal - as we can see from all images, there are 3 fans on bottom - but one is covered under PSU shroud. That give zero advantage to any component - making proforated PSU shroud would allow some of that air get into GPU fans. Thats gonna be first mod i will do.
Second is about same part - getting bigger hole in PSU shroud (in that proforated metal) to house 180mm fan in rails on bottom - there will be no limit for sliding the fan in proper position.
Last mod will be front panel - not sure what to choose, as i got 2 ideas - one is make hole for 140mm fan, and mounting 140mm fan dust filter (magnetic) on outside of case, or putting sound dampening matte.
Cosmetic change - put dark foil on top of glass panels so all cabble mess will not be visible through outside.

Thats it. Its the shortest list among all of my cases. Not gonna count how much changes i made on Cosmos C700P (black edition - its different PSU shroud parts) and right now it ended in standard orientation beacuse of previous power color GPU. Before putting 90 degree layout AGAIN, i will test this GPU by putting case on its face, but thanks to that curved glass panel, i already damaged one of magnets holding that panel :( .

I cant wait till i get my hands on Alta and start modding it. Its gonna be pure joy with learning about compromises.
 

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Gonna test it propably this or next wekend.
I don't fully understand now.

1) You got XFX RX 6800XT MERC that worked very bad in rotated position in Cosmos, so you had to revert rotation.
2) You exchanged it for different RX6800XT, but also from XFX company. Right?
 

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Here is another review in Chinese, you can set it to auto-translate caption in YouTube setting:

As to making an ALTA case bigger for enthusiasts that need the room, we did have an ALTA S1 for that purpose. But as many of you know, that project is still in suspension!
 

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I don't fully understand now.

1) You got XFX RX 6800XT MERC that worked very bad in rotated position in Cosmos, so you had to revert rotation.
2) You exchanged it for different RX6800XT, but also from XFX company. Right?
No, but its little bit complicated and i didnt fully described what happened;
- I bought XFX 6800 XT on Allegro portal
- Scalper sended me 6800 (non XT) - i sended it back
- I bought Power Color 6800 XT Red Devil Limited Edition - this one wasnt working properly in rotated position.
- I swapped case interior back to standard position
- I started looking for another XFX 6800 XT and found 2 - i bought one and selled Red Devil for 100zł less (i'm not scalper, i threated this price as testing fee :p )
Now i'm thinking how to place this giant case on front without damaging anything, as its 30+kg total weight and it simply can damage by its weight.
 

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Here is another review in Chinese, you can set it to auto-translate caption in YouTube setting:

As to making an ALTA case bigger for enthusiasts that need the room, we did have an ALTA S1 for that purpose. But as many of you know, that project is still in suspension!
I see now little problems of making PSU shroud proforated..... Cant see the joinings between motherboard tray and psu shroud, but see rivets. No idea how You guys made it, but it looks like a whole single part.
 

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I wish someone could hug me or just pat on the shoulder right now. GPU is over 20 degree warmer in vertical position :cry:
Overall;
GPU Vertical
- Junction : Over 97+ degree
- Core : 67 degree
CPU Vertical
- 84 degree

GPU Horizontal (standard)
- Junction : 77 degree
- Core : 65 degree
CPU Horizontal
- 86 degree

XFX 6800 XT MERC
Ryzen 5800X
2 x 32GB RAM 3933Mhz CL 17
B550 Tomahawk
Dark Power P11 850W Platinum
Cosmos C700P (now standard :( ) - 3 x 140mm fans on front, 2 x 140mm fan exhaust on top, 1 x 140mm rear. For testing purpose in vertical layout i putted one of tp exhaust fan (this one more to the front, above RAM) straight under Video outputs in GPU, so it was working as exhaust also and simulate Alta F1 exhaust fan.

How did i tested:
My own profile for Radeon settings - min. frequency 500Mhz, max frequency 2300Mhz, voltage 1000mV, memory max clock 2000Mhz, Power limit -2%, max fans RPM 24 %. Tested with furmark for 5 minutes.
CPU duesnt really matter as its 2-3 degree difference, but this GPU cooler seems to be also deffective - i mean it must be called "defective" if it cannot work in 90 degree layout and manufacturer doesnt warn about it. Have no idea how much more Radeons have that issue (which brands) and if RTX is also defective.

I'm really sad about resoult, and mad about this fact. I have to completly change my plans for the case, propably honna get CM Haf XB + Demciflex dust filters.
 
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/me [hugs] vlad_8011 ;-)

And remember "Never give up"

I have so great idea, that you could start buying different 6800XT until yo will find one that will work in such position. With non working ones you can make "Vlad's weekly 6800XT giveaway!".
I'm reserving the first one. I've got Morpheus II core, so maybe it will work (some people reported this cooler works 0K in such position, but probably only two posts, so still unsure)
And you haven't tested yet reference ones. so if rules of this games doesn't forbids it, I'm reserving also second, reference unit "brought with happines to [HF] community" ;-]

Now I hope that whole [HF] community will show empathy to vlad_8011 by sending him "Never give up" and will support him mentally to let him coninue this rotated 6800XT expermiment.
So I'm repating it again: Dear Vlad, all we are with you and pleade "Never give up!".
We also wish you never-ending funds, and in two years all [HF] users will got 6800XT in their possession.

P.S. This "CM Haf XB" is small and ugly, total opposite of Cosmos or Alta. INow I realized I totally don't understand you and your choices now...at least you haven't declared to leave communist for greens, but abandoning rotating world sound like mental breakdown symptoms ;-)
 
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I wish someone could hug me or just pat on the shoulder right now. GPU is over 20 degree warmer in vertical position :cry:
Overall;
GPU Vertical
- Junction : Over 97+ degree
- Core : 67 degree
CPU Vertical
- 84 degree

GPU Horizontal (standard)
- Junction : 77 degree
- Core : 65 degree
CPU Horizontal
- 86 degree

XFX 6800 XT MERC
Ryzen 5800X
2 x 32GB RAM 3933Mhz CL 17
B550 Tomahawk
Dark Power P11 850W Platinum
Cosmos C700P (now standard :( ) - 3 x 140mm fans on front, 2 x 140mm fan exhaust on top, 1 x 140mm rear. For testing purpose in vertical layout i putted one of tp exhaust fan (this one more to the front, above RAM) straight under Video outputs in GPU, so it was working as exhaust also and simulate Alta F1 exhaust fan.

How did i tested:
My own profile for Radeon settings - min. frequency 500Mhz, max frequency 2300Mhz, voltage 1000mV, memory max clock 2000Mhz, Power limit -2%, max fans RPM 24 %. Tested with furmark for 5 minutes.
CPU duesnt really matter as its 2-3 degree difference, but this GPU cooler seems to be also deffective - i mean it must be called "defective" if it cannot work in 90 degree layout and manufacturer doesnt warn about it. Have no idea how much more Radeons have that issue (which brands) and if RTX is also defective.

I'm really sad about resoult, and mad about this fact. I have to completly change my plans for the case, propably honna get CM Haf XB + Demciflex dust filters.
A HAF XB might be a tight fit, depending on whether you use a water cooler or not. I could just squeeze a watercooled rx480 in with a 60mm radiator and fans on one side, fwiw.
 

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A HAF XB might be a tight fit, depending on whether you use a water cooler or not. I could just squeeze a watercooled rx480 in with a 60mm radiator and fans on one side, fwiw.
I think that checking results with Raijintek Morpheus (or other 3rd party cooler) would be cheaper than buying another case or graphics card. Especially because Moprheus II is hard to buy, but easy to sell, because of hard availability from non-scalpers in Poland and generally Europe.
 

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A HAF XB might be a tight fit, depending on whether you use a water cooler or not. I could just squeeze a watercooled rx480 in with a 60mm radiator and fans on one side, fwiw.
You have no idea how i wanted that case, but problem is, my GPU is 34,2cm long. It wont fit. I have almost zero options, even for Cube Towe, only that odd Core X5, or Level 20 XT from Thermaltake, or even worse - Lian Li o11 dynamic with that "fancy" double 80mm on back and cooler limit to 155mm (i have Scythe Fuma 2, and it barelly fits there need to space the side panel).

I really wonder about some RTX GPU, but i wont sell kidney to get one. Performance and loudness of this XFX Radeon is wonderfull, i dreamed about this GPU since i first saw it in 2020. Now i can get some EATX case and flip it or... i dont know. I would love to see case that you can invert layout to your needs and place it however you want... AND IF IT WONT SHOOT AS CRAZY THAT WOULD BE MINE CURRENT CASE.
 

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You have no idea how i wanted that case, but problem is, my GPU is 34,2cm long. It wont fit. I have almost zero options, even for Cube Towe, only that odd Core X5, or Level 20 XT from Thermaltake, or even worse - Lian Li o11 dynamic with that "fancy" double 80mm on back and cooler limit to 155mm (i have Scythe Fuma 2, and it barelly fits there need to space the side panel).

I really wonder about some RTX GPU, but i wont sell kidney to get one. Performance and loudness of this XFX Radeon is wonderfull, i dreamed about this GPU since i first saw it in 2020. Now i can get some EATX case and flip it or... i dont know. I would love to see case that you can invert layout to your needs and place it however you want... AND IF IT WONT SHOOT AS CRAZY THAT WOULD BE MINE CURRENT CASE.
This GPU is IMHO ugly in comparison to Radeon VII.
Vega 64 black-red with blower-style cooler is ideal for rotated cases, but times when prices were 750zł will never come back (I hope I'm wrong..but..)
 

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This GPU is IMHO ugly in comparison to Radeon VII.
Vega 64 black-red with blower-style cooler is ideal for rotated cases, but times when prices were 750zł will never come back (I hope I'm wrong..but..)
Yeah but, you know... Tastes are just tastes, someone like it, some not.
I got MSI gaming x and Asus TUF on my sight.

Once again, after 30 minutes of explaining to one scalper, i'm interested in Junction temperature on vertical position GPU (with wideo outputs on top) after 3 minute furmark. I see lots of people dont understand there are 2 temps in Radeon software and keeps redirecting me to normal review in standard position and telling me about edge temp

HAF XB was meant to be last way out if none of those GPU's will be able to work in Alta. In such position (in HAF) at lest CPU wont get too much heat from GPU
 

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But why not try Raijintek Morpheus?
It works with 6800XT and used one usually costs 100-200zl.

On the other hand it's the best cooler, passive, so it's easy to mount any fans on them, so it will lasts forever (with fan swaps overtime)
And in the worst case if it will not work good enough in rotated position, you will still have best cooler for normal orientation. So it's a win-win in any case ;-)
 
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But why not try Raijintek Morpheus?
It works with 6800XT and used one usually costs 100-200zl.

On the other hand it's the best cooler, passive, so it's easy to mount any fans on them, so it will lasts forever (with fan swaps overtime)
And in the worst case if it will not work good enough in rotated position, you will still have best cooler for normal orientation. So it's a win-win in any case ;-)
I dont trust those small radiators which are holding only on glue-thermal-paste. I have tried something totally different and i think it works.
- I had standard position in cosmos c700P
- I moved motherboard tray further TO THE FRONT, so its now in the 3/4 of case lenght
- putted 2 of Silverstone 180mm air penetrators on front (i have made fan rails by myself)
- i putted 2 x 140mm fans as exhaust on back, and 1 x 140mm at the top
- one 140mm fan is on bottom, next to PSU, its blastin air straight into GPU - everything is dust filtered, and easy to clean.
- moved motherboard tray 1 place upwards, so there is more place between GPU and PSU shroud
It work pretty good and thanks to it unique it doesnt look that bad. Now its simply Alta F1 putted on its back + additional top fans (like Alta F1 would have some fan mounts on its front, which is covered originally)
BTW its still work in progress.
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No, it's not like Alta, because it's not rotated.
There were many cases like this before called "wind tunnels" by some users, look at Lian Li PC-90 (I've always lost auctions on allegro, it's rare)

So it's not so unique and special like rotated Silverstone cases, but it's more compatible with similar performance (so in practice it's better solution, but not so unique and eliite ;-).

I see you've painted your Noctua cooler, or is it stock? And what about fan(I guess it's Chromax Edition)? I've painted my cooler without disassembling (even fan, but taped a bit), using spray paint (so there's gradient down the fins, wonder how you've done yours)
Am I impressed by your build? No, because this XFX with pink 'RX' and generally white-blue lighting is so disgusting, I would tape any newspaper to the window to hide it :p
BTW, what is it this small black square thing lying on the bottom left corner? (looks like it's attached to PCI expansion slots mounts)

My FT02 is already much nicer...the problem is I cannot manage the cables on the back, because space there is so thick, 5*CP05 with long cables and double molex connectors(each of them) and I'm doing first time build something with window...
So it's sitting like that untested still...I'm too lazy and laptop is enough for me (but I've got NES running and showed to kids ;-)

Anyway after I found that Alta got only 7 PCI slots like mine FT02s, I've ordered Silverstone TJ-11. Not as nice as FT02, but normally very pricey and rare (and I negotiated good price on it)
I would like to buy 5.25 accessories, so if anybody could help me finding black, metal (aluminium preferably) 5.25 drawers, optical drive masking bezels/overs, VFD/LCD panels(preferably with knobs), etc. Then please let me know. Especially in EU/Poland

- - -
So if Anybody is looking for upgrade to Silverstone Alta F1, I can recommend Silverstone Temjin TJ-11. With 9 PCI expansion slots, it's definitely upgrade.
 
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No, it's not like Alta, because it's not rotated.
There were many cases like this before called "wind tunnels" by some users, look at Lian Li PC-90 (I've always lost auctions on allegro, it's rare)

So it's not so unique and special like rotated Silverstone cases, but it's more compatible with similar bench results.

I see you've painted your Noctua cooler, or is it stock? And what about fan(I guess it's Chromax Edition)? I've painted my cooler without disassembing (even fan, but taped a bit), using spray paint (so there's gradient down the fins, wonder how yo've done yours)
Am I impressed by your build? No, because this XFX with pink 'RX' and generally white-blue lighting is so disgusting, I would tape any newspaper to the window to hide it :p
BTW, what is it this small black square thing lying on the bottom left corner? (looks like it's attached to PCI exnansion slots mounts)

My FT02 is already muh nicer...the problem is I cannot manage the cables on the back, because space there is so thick, 5*CP05 with long coubles and double molex connectors(each of them) and I'm doing first time build something with window...
So it's sitting like that untested still...I'm too lazy and laptop is enough for me (but I've got NES running and showed to kids ;-)

Anyway after I found that Alta got only 7 PCI slots like mine FT02s, I've ordered Silverstone TJ-11. Not as nice as FT02, but normally very pricey and rare (and I negotiated good price on it)
I would like to buy 5.25 accessories, so if anybody could help me finding black, metal (aluminium preferably) 5.25 drawers, optical drive masking bezels/overs, VFD/LCD panels(preferably with knobs), etc. Then please let me know. Especially in EU/Poland

- - -
So if Anybody is looking for upgrade to Silverstone Alta F1, I can recommend Silverstone Temjin TJ-11. With 9 PCI expansion slots, it's definitely upgrade.
Thats what i writed - its alta f1 on side + fans on its front (so in the final on the top of my case).

CPU Cooler (its in my signature) is Scythe fuma 2 + 2 x NF-S12A PWM chromax.black.swap. Lighting is only white + red, but photo was taken with led lamp so it might be it. With normal light this look much nicer. That "thing" on PSU shroud is my one of my SSD.

I would buy FT02 but its definatly not my style + my gpu wont work in vertical layout.
 
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