New Samsung 4k for everyone.

black88mx6

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After searching; a couple of questions.

Does the JU7500 series have a power button anywhere but on the remote?

Without CEC over HDMI, has anyone found a solution that works to allow the TV to power on after resume from sleep? Does everyone leave their Samsung on all the time or always use remote above to power on/off
 

supermi

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100 % agree... I cant imagine comparing a 60hz 4k VA display to a 1440p 144hz ips... it makes no sense to me. They both on the opposite sides of the spectrum. I am sure both have their pluses and minuses but to go from a 144hz to 60 hz makes no sense if absolute speed is number 1 to you and image quality and resolution is not.

For me I have a 1440p ips and its such a let down with contrast and resolution compared to the samsung. Not to mention a huge lack of immersion compared to my 48 curved samsung.




If you started out with the predator 144hz I am not sure why you would even entertain going to a 60 hz 4k tv. For 60 hz 4k displays these samsung's have excellent response in regards to input lag, that is why we all got them plus the excellent image quality.

I would love to try out a 144hz 1440p ips but I already know that for me the image quality ( low contrast, lower resolution, smaller screen size ) would end up being deal breakers for me regardless of less input lag or blur.

Again I compared the samsung 4k to my samsung 1080p monitor with 12.7ms input lag and also my apple 1440p ips and between the 3 of them felt NO difference lag wise but I did see a huge difference in resolution, contrast and immersion with size in favor of the samsung 4k.

The input lag witch hunt started in this thread when Nitemare2139 said that firmware 1207/1210 added alot of lag in 4k... before he said something I wasnt even thinking of input lag on this display because it really wasnt an issue. Its funny how someone can easily sway you when they present their case in such a convincing manner

In the end I see no issues with input lag on the samsung at 4k. If its an issue for you then that 1440p ips 144hz should fit the bill for super low lag. Saying the samsung 4k has horrible lag when your comparing it to a 144hz panel is just hyperbole. Anything compared to a 144hz display running games at 144fps will destroy all 60 hz panels in input lag.


Defensive and NOT constructive, very glad I spend more time at OCN.
I started with the Sammy BTW ;) never once stated I was looking for speed. Just the best experience to my eyes. Bought one then the other now one is going back.

Seriously do not clump all commenters into one single blob of annargument lacking nuance. SHEESH.

I was coming from 120hz surround (46) inch equivalent) , just gaming for fun here and there. Wanted big and no bezels and had not used a 120hz screen for months ... Got the Sammy was good got the Predator was a better "experience for me" fastest blah blah blah, just made gaming and desktop usage more enjoyable.

I am still comparing them hoping to find a way to keep the sammy.

This thread turns up in google pretty quick for this set. That's is how Infound it. It is worth having a diverse set of experiemces with the set. Heck the Predator thread on OCN (owners club even) is full of people stating its shortcomings and also its joys. Be cool if this thread had a similar openness (not bashing of course, I have foenone said it is a great panel since my first post, never said it was too damn slow to use either)
 

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After searching; a couple of questions.

Does the JU7500 series have a power button anywhere but on the remote?

Without CEC over HDMI, has anyone found a solution that works to allow the TV to power on after resume from sleep? Does everyone leave their Samsung on all the time or always use remote above to power on/off

The power button is on the back of the tv.
 

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Defensive and NOT constructive, very glad I spend more time at OCN.
I started with the Sammy BTW ;) never once stated I was looking for speed. Just the best experience to my eyes. Bought one then the other now one is going back.

Seriously do not clump all commenters into one single blob of annargument lacking nuance. SHEESH.

I was coming from 120hz surround (46) inch equivalent) , just gaming for fun here and there. Wanted big and no bezels and had not used a 120hz screen for months ... Got the Sammy was good got the Predator was a better "experience for me" fastest blah blah blah, just made gaming and desktop usage more enjoyable.

I am still comparing them hoping to find a way to keep the sammy.

This thread turns up in google pretty quick for this set. That's is how Infound it. It is worth having a diverse set of experiemces with the set. Heck the Predator thread on OCN (owners club even) is full of people stating its shortcomings and also its joys. Be cool if this thread had a similar openness (not bashing of course, I have foenone said it is a great panel since my first post, never said it was too damn slow to use either)

I know you didn't reply directly to me, but I wanted to chime in. With the exception of a few people, this thread does have openness and full disclosure to it. The thread is mature enough now that the majority of us know the pros and the cons of the Samsung, and no one is hiding the shortcomings...it's just that they don't bother most of us. There have only been a few people affected by the PWM, and we all know the input lag numbers and don't try to hide them. It just doesn't bother most of us. :)

But speaking of not being constructive, your first post (that I saw) was a comment agreeing with gar818 that the Samsung had some great qualities but that the input lag was higher than that of the Predator. Well, that's not exactly a startling revelation. ;) Maybe you didn't intend for it to come off like that, but it didn't seem to add much to what everyone already knew.

There's nothing at all wrong with you sharing your experience and preferring the Predator. The reason that I commented was because I thought the comparison was rather odd, as the two units in question have very little in common besides displaying a video card's output. To me, it was comparable to someone shopping for a car and pitting a full size sedan that's very pretty and well rounded against a tightly wound sports coupe that doesn't offer much room or practicality, but goes faster and handles better. I'm not sure why anyone would have it narrowed down to those two cars, but you're right about one thing...testing both will reveal where your preferences lie. You might enjoy driving both cars, but one of them is going to provide more of what you're looking for.
 

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Hey guys, any new firmware updates? My 40" is collecting dust currently and don't want to hook it back up to check. It will be going back this coming week most likely. I've been inactive here for the past week due to National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial week.

So far still in love with my 48". This is a display that really can't be beat. Movies look phenomenal, and gaming is just a joy. Well worth the asking price compared to actual computer monitors which are $800~+.
 

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I've been inactive here for the past week due to National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial week. So far still in love with my 48". This is a display that really can't be beat. Movies look phenomenal, and gaming is just a joy. Well worth the asking price compared to actual computer monitors which are $800~+.

That was truly outstanding celebration of the NLEOM! Just interested what is your viewing distance and how the 48" is positioned. If it is on your desk what are the distances of lower screen edge und upper screen edge from the desk.
 

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Hey guys, any new firmware updates? My 40" is collecting dust currently and don't want to hook it back up to check. It will be going back this coming week most likely. I've been inactive here for the past week due to National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial week.

So far still in love with my 48". This is a display that really can't be beat. Movies look phenomenal, and gaming is just a joy. Well worth the asking price compared to actual computer monitors which are $800~+.

Since BB doesn't have the 48, I'm leaning towards the 50. I was trying to decide between going with cheap (the 40) or big (55), but might as well do the happy medium and save a couple hundred. Hopefully the 6500 will be fine for me. I haven't ever been bothered by motion blur or judder in the past, so I'm guessing I'll be ok. The 7100 is more than I'd like to spend.
 

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With a 40" 4k tv is the upscaling as good as with the Philips 4k monitor ?
If i want to play @2k, would the image be pretty clear / not stretched ?
Thank you
 

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With a 40" 4k tv is the upscaling as good as with the Philips 4k monitor ?
If i want to play @2k, would the image be pretty clear / not stretched ?
Thank you

This question gets asked all the time. The Samsung uses pixel doubling so it will look practically native 1080P. It has the best scaler in the business and the reason I returned all the monitors because monitors are designed for native resolution only, and the scaler they use are generic ones which makes everything fuzzy. Everything gets interpolated through a monitor at non-native res, some are a little better than others but without pixel doubling 1080P will look noticeably worse than 1440P.

I can tell many many are looking at the Phillips and the Samsung. The one thing the Phillips has over the Samsung is slightly better input lag. That's really the only thing it has going for it. Take note that playing on consoles, the consoles themselves have an innate input lag from controller to output of around 100ms not including displays. PC games are always more responsive. If you play console games all the time and don't notice the lag, I really doubt you will notice the lag when using this TV.

You really should read thought both threads fully. The Phillips has issues with the VA panels that are widely documented in there from page 60 to 120. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from buying any screens. Just take some time and read through the threads so you get no surprises. The Samsung only shortcoming is higher input lag than a monitor, but it has the lowest input lag out of all the HDTVs out there. Is a frame of lag worth it for the compromises in picture quality and color artifacts? You do get what you pay for so understand the compromises if price is an overriding factor.
 

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On the Plex thread, someone mentioned that Samsung is trying to port the older Plex client to Tizen. They mentioned two weeks. If that's the case, Samsung may be holding off on firmware updates until they get Tizen to be compatible with their old apps. Right now, Tizen is a major fail and they should've never updated it if they haven't figured out how to make their old apps compatible. Samsung was the only TVs with a working Plex client, and now they don't even have that.
 

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This morning I moved some stuff off of my desk and hooked up the 48JU6700 for the first time since receiving my 48JU7500. I wanted to do some A/B comparisons after "getting used to" the 7500. I don't need two of these behemoths sitting around in my man cave and wanted to do some back-and-forths so that I can go ahead and return one of them.





7500 is on the left, 6700 is wedged in there on the right. Messy desk is messy; I've been putting off scanning to PDF due to enjoying gaming so much lately. :D I ran an HDMI cable from each display to the back of my PC so that I could swap back and forth quickly so as not to "forget" what I just saw. Both units are updated to firmware 1210 and identical settings/options were chosen in the menu.

First of all, I take back what I said initially about the 6700 seeming like it had more vibrant colors. After comparing the Windows desktop and games, I have come to the conclusion that the two displays look identical in that regard. I think I know why I initially said otherwise. When I took those videos with my iPhone 6 to attempt to depict the ghosting/motion blur present on the 6700, the iPhone itself added some vibrant color and made the image appear more saturated.

I will refer back to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8OAdUW8wTY

Notice the vibrant color present on the flowers and fish tank. In the video, the water in the fish tank is a dark blue, and the flowers look blue and pink. When I revisited that area in the game on both displays, it looked significantly different than the video. Basically, everything was lighter (could be viewed as more "washed out" or "less vibrant")...but the 7500 and 6700 displayed the image identically. The water in the tank was a paler shade of blue, and the flowers were actually purple and pink. So what must have happened is that I viewed that video (taken on the 6700) on my 7500 after I had set up, and when the colors in the video looked more vibrant and saturated I assumed that it was a true representation of what I had seen on the 6700.

Ghosting...some will inevitably disagree, but after playing several sections of some games, I still cannot discern a big difference between the 6700 and 7500. If there is a difference, it is very slight in the games that I play. Slight enough that I really can't be sure if I'm seeing a tad less ghosting on the 7500, or if my eyes just want to see it because of the price difference. :) I know that others have said the difference is significant, which is why I want to qualify my thoughts with the disclaimer "in the games that I play." I believe it was Cyph that saw a noticeable difference in Warcraft. I obviously haven't tested all of my games, but in the ones that I have, the two panels are very close in performance. I would have to stand by my opinion that based on what I've seen so far, the 6700 is still by far the best value.

Input lag: I'm not very sensitive to input lag, so the 6700 and 7500 feel very similar, if not identical, when switching back and forth. I tested in both PC and Game modes. I know the 7500 was tested to be a little bit faster in this regard. Sometimes it feels like the mouse cursor is a little faster/more responsive on the 7500, but again...the difference is slight enough that I can't tell if I'm imagining things or not. I could be happy with either; both feel fine to me.

My testing was based not on any kind of electronic measuring device but on what I saw and felt, so it's far from scientific, but these were my observations after switching back and forth all morning. I don't know if it'll help anyone else, but it definitely clarified some things for me and I can make an informed decision now without wondering if my mind was playing tricks after using one for a while and not the other.

Nitemare3219: how did you manage to enable AMP? I thought that I might as well try that out while I was doing my tests, and at one point in PC mode I noticed that the option was available on the 6700 so I enabled it to the first (lowest?) setting. Loaded up a game, didn't see any reduction in blur/ghosting so I checked the menu again and it was disabled and grayed out. After that, on both the 6700 and 7500, it has remained grayed out in both PC and Game modes. I know that some people were having weird quibbles with the firmware at one point so I'm not sure if I'm encountering a bug or if I'm just missing something simple.
 
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AMP only available when it's not on PC mode. The game I mentioned was Starcraft which requires quick screen panning, as quick as the mouse can move.
 

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The Samsung uses pixel doubling so it will look practically native 1080P. It has the best scaler in the business and the reason I returned all the monitors because monitors are designed for native resolution only, and the scaler they use are generic ones which makes everything fuzzy. Everything gets interpolated through a monitor at non-native res, some are a little better than others but without pixel doubling 1080P will look noticeably worse than 1440P.

I don't really understand what you mean. So, if i play at the resolution 2560x1440, on the 40" UHD, it looks great ?
Do you think that Samsung has better colors than Philips 4k monitor ?!
LE : price is not an issue
 

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I know you didn't reply directly to me, but I wanted to chime in. With the exception of a few people, this thread does have openness and full disclosure to it. The thread is mature enough now that the majority of us know the pros and the cons of the Samsung, and no one is hiding the shortcomings...it's just that they don't bother most of us. There have only been a few people affected by the PWM, and we all know the input lag numbers and don't try to hide them. It just doesn't bother most of us. :)

But speaking of not being constructive, your first post (that I saw) was a comment agreeing with gar818 that the Samsung had some great qualities but that the input lag was higher than that of the Predator. Well, that's not exactly a startling revelation. ;) Maybe you didn't intend for it to come off like that, but it didn't seem to add much to what everyone already knew.

There's nothing at all wrong with you sharing your experience and preferring the Predator. The reason that I commented was because I thought the comparison was rather odd, as the two units in question have very little in common besides displaying a video card's output. To me, it was comparable to someone shopping for a car and pitting a full size sedan that's very pretty and well rounded against a tightly wound sports coupe that doesn't offer much room or practicality, but goes faster and handles better. I'm not sure why anyone would have it narrowed down to those two cars, but you're right about one thing...testing both will reveal where your preferences lie. You might enjoy driving both cars, but one of them is going to provide more of what you're looking for.

Fair points. Not my first post though. I have been clear about my deciding on this monitor/TV in this thread over a few posts... I believe I even shared my decision prior to seeing the post I quoted. Since this person shared an observation I shared , I agreed with him/her. That seems fair and constructive.

One desk just like one driveway, a porche and land rover may very well be competing. A client if mine years back was back and forth between buying and AUDI A8 and a minivan, so different but both were things he wanted, in the end he chose one of them.

I want a brilliant display that gives immersion and also comfortable gaming experience, I decided that the overall experience to my eyes from desktop to gaming (not in all games but mostly)/was with the faster display and no tearing.

I am currently and owner of both displays and will only keep 1 my views are valid for myself and it seems at least one other poster making a similar choice. For those at the cutting edge of this tech we need to make tradeoffs and these two monitors are different options each lacking in certain ways. This again makes them a valid comparison to some.

If not you no worries, this is better by far than the 28 inch tn 4k from Samsung I tried and than the 49 inch lg 4k TV my bud tried. In those sorts of comparisons this TV/monitor rocks...

One might also consider a portrait surround setup to this monitor. So heck be nice to see someone make that comparision ;)

There is constructive to you and then to others, there is also context. I did not read out of context for your comment but you did mine :)
 

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This morning I moved some stuff off of my desk and hooked up the 48JU6700 for the first time since receiving my 48JU7500. I wanted to do some A/B comparisons after "getting used to" the 7500. I don't need two of these behemoths sitting around in my man cave and wanted to do some back-and-forths so that I can go ahead and return one of them.





7500 is on the left, 6700 is wedged in there on the right. Messy desk is messy; I've been putting off scanning to PDF due to enjoying gaming so much lately. :D I ran an HDMI cable from each display to the back of my PC so that I could swap back and forth quickly so as not to "forget" what I just saw. Both units are updated to firmware 1210 and identical settings/options were chosen in the menu.

First of all, I take back what I said initially about the 6700 seeming like it had more vibrant colors. After comparing the Windows desktop and games, I have come to the conclusion that the two displays look identical in that regard. I think I know why I initially said otherwise. When I took those videos with my iPhone 6 to attempt to depict the ghosting/motion blur present on the 6700, the iPhone itself added some vibrant color and made the image appear more saturated.

I will refer back to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8OAdUW8wTY

Notice the vibrant color present on the flowers and fish tank. In the video, the water in the fish tank is a dark blue, and the flowers look blue and pink. When I revisited that area in the game on both displays, it looked significantly different than the video. Basically, everything was lighter (could be viewed as more "washed out" or "less vibrant")...but the 7500 and 6700 displayed the image identically. The water in the tank was a paler shade of blue, and the flowers were actually purple and pink. So what must have happened is that I viewed that video (taken on the 6700) on my 7500 after I had set up, and when the colors in the video looked more vibrant and saturated I assumed that it was a true representation of what I had seen on the 6700.

Ghosting...some will inevitably disagree, but after playing several sections of some games, I still cannot discern a big difference between the 6700 and 7500. If there is a difference, it is very slight in the games that I play. Slight enough that I really can't be sure if I'm seeing a tad less ghosting on the 7500, or if my eyes just want to see it because of the price difference. :) I know that others have said the difference is significant, which is why I want to qualify my thoughts with the disclaimer "in the games that I play." I believe it was Cyph that saw a noticeable difference in Warcraft. I obviously haven't tested all of my games, but in the ones that I have, the two panels are very close in performance. I would have to stand by my opinion that based on what I've seen so far, the 6700 is still by far the best value.

Input lag: I'm not very sensitive to input lag, so the 6700 and 7500 feel very similar, if not identical, when switching back and forth. I tested in both PC and Game modes. I know the 7500 was tested to be a little bit faster in this regard. Sometimes it feels like the mouse cursor is a little faster/more responsive on the 7500, but again...the difference is slight enough that I can't tell if I'm imagining things or not. I could be happy with either; both feel fine to me.

My testing was based not on any kind of electronic measuring device but on what I saw and felt, so it's far from scientific, but these were my observations after switching back and forth all morning. I don't know if it'll help anyone else, but it definitely clarified some things for me and I can make an informed decision now without wondering if my mind was playing tricks after using one for a while and not the other.

Nitemare3219: how did you manage to enable AMP? I thought that I might as well try that out while I was doing my tests, and at one point in PC mode I noticed that the option was available on the 6700 so I enabled it to the first (lowest?) setting. Loaded up a game, didn't see any reduction in blur/ghosting so I checked the menu again and it was disabled and grayed out. After that, on both the 6700 and 7500, it has remained grayed out in both PC and Game modes. I know that some people were having weird quibbles with the firmware at one point so I'm not sure if I'm encountering a bug or if I'm just missing something simple.

Interesting, how do the coatings compare?

I still have my 40, and with the quality control on the Acer if my 3rd replacement is a did I may stick with the Sammy hehe.

But my 40 has a hot pixel so will likely return and buy a 48 in that case and am intregued on the 6700 being so close to the 7500 :)
 

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That was truly outstanding celebration of the NLEOM! Just interested what is your viewing distance and how the 48" is positioned. If it is on your desk what are the distances of lower screen edge und upper screen edge from the desk.

Indeed it was.

In my current setup, my viewing distance is typically 30" to 34" depending on reclining in my seat and how far I wheel back from it. My desk is fairly small so I actually have half the stand off the rear edge of the table so the TV can be further away. It's sturdy because of the way the stand support angles forward and attached to the TV - I'm not worried about it falling off.

The lower edge of the screen is about 2-1/4" counting the bezel and the upper edge just a touch over 26-1/2". The top of the desk is 30-1/2" off the ground and my seat base is usually about 18" to 20" off the ground which puts my eye level at mid-screen to 1/3 of the way from the top of the screen - again depending on recline. I'm 6 feet tall. The 48" is easier to notice alised edges compared to the 40", but sitting a little further away has helped. It's a worthwhile trade especially when I can always sit even further away if it bothers me too much.

Nitemare3219: how did you manage to enable AMP? I thought that I might as well try that out while I was doing my tests, and at one point in PC mode I noticed that the option was available on the 6700 so I enabled it to the first (lowest?) setting. Loaded up a game, didn't see any reduction in blur/ghosting so I checked the menu again and it was disabled and grayed out. After that, on both the 6700 and 7500, it has remained grayed out in both PC and Game modes. I know that some people were having weird quibbles with the firmware at one point so I'm not sure if I'm encountering a bug or if I'm just missing something simple.

AMP should only be available when PC and game modes are disabled. Set it to custom, and set blur reduction to 10. This makes the panel run 120 FPS. I'm not sure if the panel always runs at 120 Hz or not outside of this, such as in PC mode and set at 60 Hz with frame doubling. It'd be nice if it did those because of better response times. I don't understand how the 6700 has any AMP functionality because it is a 60 Hz panel regardless of what you set it to.

I don't really understand what you mean. So, if i play at the resolution 2560x1440, on the 40" UHD, it looks great ?
Do you think that Samsung has better colors than Philips 4k monitor ?!
LE : price is not an issue

1440p I'm not too sure since it's not exactly 1/4 of 4K like 1080p is, but it should look a lot better than any typical monitor you've used.
 

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I don't really understand what you mean. So, if i play at the resolution 2560x1440, on the 40" UHD, it looks great ?
Do you think that Samsung has better colors than Philips 4k monitor ?!
LE : price is not an issue

No. If you play 1440, you will get letter box (make sure you turn off GPU scaling). If you play 1080P, it will fill the screen. Basically, with 1080P, each pixel is doubled horizontally and vertically, 1 pixel becomes 4. This makes it look like a native 1080P monitor.

I've never owned the Phillips so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Based on my experience with the Samsung, and 5 other monitors before I settled on the Samsung, as well as reading Phillips owners reviews of their panels, I'd say that yes, the Samsung is superior in colors and clarity. I've yet to see anyone claim that the Samsung has dull or bad colors. This is why I suggest reading through the threads. Pretty much any shortcomings of either panels have already been documented.
 

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Has anyone here tried a Sharp 43UB30? Supposedly it does 4:4:4 at 60hz 4k according to their tech support. I'm curious about the contrast ratio and lag compared to the Samsung. It uses about twice as much power as a 50ju6500 but is just $600.
 
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I really enjoy my UA50JU6400 but unfortunately they come with the Input/Outputs physically inside the TV instead of a Connect Box.

One thing that has bugged me is a overbearing whiteness in well lit up areas on the screen.

So if anyone has played Destiny on PS4 it looks as if the Bright outside areas during the daytime are coated with a cloudy white effect.

The Blacks are perfect but the White clouding look detracts from it badly.

I tried adjusting the Backlight which made only a slight difference going from 12 to 10 and the Brightness from 50 to 45.

None of the other options really helped fix the problem.
 

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This morning I moved some stuff off of my desk and hooked up the 48JU6700 for the first time since receiving my 48JU7500. I wanted to do some A/B comparisons after "getting used to" the 7500. I don't need two of these behemoths sitting around in my man cave and wanted to do some back-and-forths so that I can go ahead and return one of them.

To me, the 7500 is a better TV. But use it as the monitor and it's the same as a 6700.
 

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Interesting, how do the coatings compare?

I still have my 40, and with the quality control on the Acer if my 3rd replacement is a did I may stick with the Sammy hehe.

But my 40 has a hot pixel so will likely return and buy a 48 in that case and am intregued on the 6700 being so close to the 7500 :)

The full gloss does have a bit more reflections in daylight with lights leaking through the vertical blinds on my right. Not bad but more noticeable compare to the semi gloss of the 6700. In the evening in room light, I don't really notice the difference between the 2.
 

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What brightness level are you running? The default 50 makes white a bit washed out unless you are in a well lighted room in daylight. I use 40 and had contrast turned down to 85. I also set eco mode to ON with min backlight at 6.
 

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I'm taking a 2nd attempt at a 40" JU7500. My first one came DOA & had a stuck white pixel in the center of the screen. Keeping fingers crossed. I love you Amazon.
 

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Samsung is superior in colors and clarity.
How do you know that ? Did you see / own / both ?
That's for me the most important. I don't really care about the input lag of Samsung 4k tv
Colors and clarity only ...
Thank you
 

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How do you know that ? Did you see / own / both ?
That's for me the most important. I don't really care about the input lag of Samsung 4k tv
Colors and clarity only ...
Thank you

I think he saying that just because he owns the Samsung.

To give you an idea, I owned both the LG 31MU97 4K monitor and the Philips. The LG was a true 10-bit AH-IPS wide gamut monitor designed specifically for colour accuracy and fidelity and it would blow any 4K TV out of the water in terms of colour and clarity and yet I still chose to keep the Philips over it. :)
 

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I have a question for you guys. I currently have my system setup with two Samsung tvs in the same room. I have one connected directly via the HDMI 2.0 port on a Titan X, the other via a DVI-to-HDMI adapter from the DVI port on the same Titan X. Currently, I am able to produce a 3840x2160@60hz resolution, 4:4:4 Chroma, UHD Color On both TVs through Windows 7. How is this even possible? Using the DVI-to-HDMI adapter, wouldn’t the signal be affected or downgraded to a lower resolution that the adapter could handle. It’s working for me right now, but I just don’t understand how.
 

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Since BB doesn't have the 48, I'm leaning towards the 50. I was trying to decide between going with cheap (the 40) or big (55), but might as well do the happy medium and save a couple hundred. Hopefully the 6500 will be fine for me. I haven't ever been bothered by motion blur or judder in the past, so I'm guessing I'll be ok. The 7100 is more than I'd like to spend.

50JU6500 working great for the limited amount of time I had used it this weekend. The 40" "shrunk" for me within a week of using it. The 50" continues to seem just right, from about 2.5ft back. With the screen on stand sitting on my desk, my eyes are level to about 1" below the top edge of the screen when sitting up. When tilting my chair back, my eyes are about halfway down the screen. Works great for desktop usage, or leaning back and viewing content.

When sitting upright, the bottom corners of the screen are pretty far away/angled. I am going to try removing the stand and wall mounting the display 3" higher, allowing me to put a 5" tall shelf below the display. I'm also going to raise my bookshelf speakers up 7" to get the tweeters more to ear-level. The entire project is going to take a week to finish building since I need to wait for primer and paint to dry between coats.

Going to crack the back of the tv open next weekend and modify the backlight's PWM.

50" just went on sale at BB for $1000. $900 with movers coupon is a very good price for the display.
 

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Is it better to run @ 3840x2160/60Hz or 4096x2160/60Hz? To me 4096 looks clearer, although I know 3840 is the displays native res.
 

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I have a question for you guys. I currently have my system setup with two Samsung tvs in the same room. I have one connected directly via the HDMI 2.0 port on a Titan X, the other via a DVI-to-HDMI adapter from the DVI port on the same Titan X. Currently, I am able to produce a 3840x2160@60hz resolution, 4:4:4 Chroma, UHD Color On both TVs through Windows 7. How is this even possible? Using the DVI-to-HDMI adapter, wouldn’t the signal be affected or downgraded to a lower resolution that the adapter could handle. It’s working for me right now, but I just don’t understand how.

Sounds like you're running at either 4:2:0 or 30hz.
 

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If anyone still question the difference between 4K and 1080P, boot up the Witcher 3. The only issue is that it's virtually unplayable with a GTX 670 at 4K, but the 2 frames per second looks oh so nice. If I can get 4K 30 FPS maxed out with Hairworks on a 980TI, I'd be happy. I'd never trade image fidelity for frame rates over 60, ever.
 

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Do any of you guys know of an inexpensive computer desk for a 50'' JU6500? I'm assuming that 36'' deep would be appropriate, but I'm having a hard time finding ones with pullout keyboard/mouse stands. My current one might suffice if I use TV trays for my keyboard and mouse, but it'd be more comfortable with a new desk.
 
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Do any of you guys know of an inexpensive computer desk for a 50'' JU6500? I'm assuming that 36'' deep would be appropriate, but I'm having a hard time finding ones with pullout keyboard/mouse stands. My current one might suffice if I use TV trays for my keyboard and mouse, but it'd be more comfortable with a new desk.

Wall mount? Just getting rid of the stand is worth 4-5" if you assume a 1" thick wall mount, and you can move the desk as far away as you want.

36" from the screen is close to perfect, 30" for games.
 

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I think he saying that just because he owns the Samsung.

To give you an idea, I owned both the LG 31MU97 4K monitor and the Philips. The LG was a true 10-bit AH-IPS wide gamut monitor designed specifically for colour accuracy and fidelity and it would blow any 4K TV out of the water in terms of colour and clarity and yet I still chose to keep the Philips over it. :)

And why did you keep the Philips and not the LG 31MU97, if LG was such a good monitor ?
 

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Pretty sure you need two TXs to max the W3 goodies @ 4K. Read the [H] article.
 
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so after my bad experiences with the vizio and sharp 43" 4k tvs, i think im gonna pick up a samsung 40ju6500 since the philips is still not available and no other monitor options at this size seem viable (not gonna risk buying the korean monitors). based on the info in this thread the samsung will do 444 in pc mode with roughly 40ish ms lag and 422 in game mode with 25ish lag? will i need to update the firmware or will i be better off with the stock firmware? also when switching from pc to game mode do you have to go into the menu and relabel the input or just hit a button on the remote?
 

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so after my bad experiences with the vizio and sharp 43" 4k tvs, i think im gonna pick up a samsung 40ju6500 since the philips is still not available and no other monitor options at this size seem viable (not gonna risk buying the korean monitors). based on the info in this thread the samsung will do 444 in pc mode with roughly 40ish ms lag and 422 in game mode with 25ish lag? will i need to update the firmware or will i be better off with the stock firmware? also when switching from pc to game mode do you have to go into the menu and relabel the input or just hit a button on the remote?

36 and 20.7 was the numbers actually recorded by a Leo Bodnar with latest firmware. Any other numbers not using a device are all unconfirmed by so and so using some janky camera set up that has been proven to be unreliable. Also, personal experience are all subjective and clouded by bias.

Yes you have to relabel the input. You should leave it on game mode if you are not doing any critical desktop work. The colors are close enough not to matter. Then again, I play exclusively on PC mode and have absolutely no issue with any perceived input lag.
 

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If anyone still question the difference between 4K and 1080P, boot up the Witcher 3. The only issue is that it's virtually unplayable with a GTX 670 at 4K, but the 2 frames per second looks oh so nice. If I can get 4K 30 FPS maxed out with Hairworks on a 980TI, I'd be happy. I'd never trade image fidelity for frame rates over 60, ever.

I've been playing it at 4k, mix of ultra and high settings and getting a stable 30 fps on a single 980. The game looks gorgeous on this display, especially at night. Turn on HBAO+ and the shadows/blacks are perfect.
 

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AMP only available when it's not on PC mode. The game I mentioned was Starcraft which requires quick screen panning, as quick as the mouse can move.

Thanks for the clarification. :)

Interesting, how do the coatings compare?

I still have my 40, and with the quality control on the Acer if my 3rd replacement is a did I may stick with the Sammy hehe.

But my 40 has a hot pixel so will likely return and buy a 48 in that case and am intregued on the 6700 being so close to the 7500 :)

Like others have said, the 6700 is semi-gloss and the 7500 is full gloss. The 6700 tends to reflect more ambient light and the 7500 reflects more direct light. The 7500 is like a mirror, but may provide a slightly cleaner/crisper image due to the lack of anti-glare coating. I kind of prefer the coating on the 6700 during the day because I have windows behind my chair. ;) I may eventually move whichever one I keep to the corner and see if that helps with the reflections.

AMP should only be available when PC and game modes are disabled. Set it to custom, and set blur reduction to 10. This makes the panel run 120 FPS. I'm not sure if the panel always runs at 120 Hz or not outside of this, such as in PC mode and set at 60 Hz with frame doubling. It'd be nice if it did those because of better response times. I don't understand how the 6700 has any AMP functionality because it is a 60 Hz panel regardless of what you set it to.

Thanks. The Auto Motion rate on the 6xxx is 120, and 240 for the 7xxx. I wasn't sure how it would fare, but whatever technique they are using for smooth motion (strobing, black frame insertion, etc.) is present on both; it's just twice as fast on the 7xxx. I haven't had a chance to test this yet, but I suspect that I won't use it because I'm not bothered by ghosting on either display and IIRC it was said to add a significant amount of lag. I do know that the 6700 has two settings for AMP, while the 7500 has three (I believe the two from the 6700, and one additional level).

To me, the 7500 is a better TV. But use it as the monitor and it's the same as a 6700.

I'm right there with ya. It's a close horse race for sure. I don't know if it's the same, but it's a pretty similar experience based on what I've seen.

36 and 20.7 was the numbers actually recorded by a Leo Bodnar with latest firmware. Any other numbers not using a device are all unconfirmed by so and so using some janky camera set up that has been proven to be unreliable. Also, personal experience are all subjective and clouded by bias.

Yes you have to relabel the input. You should leave it on game mode if you are not doing any critical desktop work. The colors are close enough not to matter. Then again, I play exclusively on PC mode and have absolutely no issue with any perceived input lag.

Agree with everything here. To be clear, you don't have to relabel the input as was previously thought...you just have to switch the input device type from PC to Game and vice-versa. Right?
 
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