New Ryzen 2 (Pinnacle Ridge) gets only 200 MHz boost according to a leak

Discussion in 'AMD Processors' started by Rakanoth, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. DuronBurgerMan

    DuronBurgerMan [H]ard|Gawd

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    You posted one random guy, then say "it's not one random guy". I don't care if he's a foreigner, per se. I'm saying anybody can post anything to reddit, and we have no way to verify any of it. This is why proper reviews with good, well-documented methodology are key.

    "People"

    I hate that term. Which people? When? Some random reddit guy in the AMD fan club or something? An incel in momma's basement?

    I expected Ryzen to be roundabout what it was. Competitive, but still behind on a core-for-core basis. Somewhere in the 4GHz range with OC. I expected Zen+ to be roundabout +400MHz on top of that. Now, the latter seems off the table now given the base and boost clocks of the 2700X - and that is somewhat disappointing, yes. But it's hardly 'expecting miracles' either. And it's possible the +400MHz may still happen with a good OCer like Kyle and other [H]ard folks. Then again, perhaps not. We'll know soon man. PATIENCE!
     
  2. sanders4617

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    Get the overall gaming benchmarks near the 8700k and we will have a winner
     
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  3. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    Anyone can use Google to check who wrote those quotes and where he did.

    My predictions about PR performance and clocks I expected on 12LP are also very easy to find. For instance this is what I said about clocks



    My predictions about PR were realistic and accurate. :cool:
     
  4. DuronBurgerMan

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    Not likely to happen.
     
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  5. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    I said "It is not only one random reddit guy". You are not quoting the "only". I did mean that there are more than one leak. There are three or four leaks now and all them say the same about the OC capacities of PR.

    One leak from a random reddit guy can be ignored. Two leaks can be a statistical coincidence. but when you have three/four leaks stating that PR cannot OC beyond 4.1/4.2GHz, then that starts to be a TREND.

    Do you want more data? El chapuzas informático just published his review of the 2700X. He couldn't OC it beyond 4.2GHz.
     
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  6. Pieter3dnow

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    Actually if you use google and your name you get so much stuff that does not matter as a whole about what you said because no one in the long time mankind exists will be ever able pin you down on anything because you do not quote what is relevant you do not post all of what you said on the subject just the part you choose to use to prove you are right.




    Using google does prove something else tho ,..
     
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  7. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    Indeed, 12 cycles L2 cache, Precision boost 2,... all that is already in the Zen cores in Raven Ridge. It is not new to Zen+ as some people pretended. But all this was discussed in this thread since #96.
     
  8. Dermac

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    • I've had enough of the personal attacks in here ..take a few days off.
    Googling Juanrga is interesting, so do you just post on forums all day long, is this your job? Is it your mission in life to be called into question on more than 10 tech forums, trying to get some sort of achievement or something? Well, I wish you well in your job, hope Intel pays you well.
     
  9. NKD

    NKD [H]ardness Supreme

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    ROFL is this thread a joke? When was the last time you saw 1ghz stock bump? Try overclocking these things if you really want better performance. I think 4.2-4.3 should be doable on these and that is decent over previous gen that could hardly go above 3.9 stable. 4.0 if you are lucky.
     
  10. DuronBurgerMan

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    Three or four leaks from reddit randoms and shitty testers constitutes jack shit to me, mang. I can go online someplace and claim I'm the king of Spain dude. Hell, I can start a dozen accounts, and then there's a trend that yes, I am the king of Spain. Doesn't make any of it true.

    That one looked a little more legit. I was going through that in one of the other threads on here earlier today. That being said, I know nothing about the guy or the site. But at least he didn't drop the chip in a shitty motherboard and try to pass it off as a legit test. So there's that, at least. As far as I'm concerned, that's the first test/review/leak/whatever that looked even remotely legitimate.

    You're an odd duck, juanrga. Usually when people are posting pre-review speculation/leaks/whatever it's because they are fanbois devoted to the brand, or really excited about the product, or something. You're excited to take a dump on it. Like, you cannot even contain your glee. "ZOMG Zen+ only +100MHz, I can't wait to go crap on the guys in the AMD forum!!!!"

    Just wait, man. If Kyle (or Toms or Anand, etc...) only gets 4.2 out of it, we can trash Zen+ together, because I'd find that absolutely hilariously bad for a refresh - though it should be noted, I made fun of Intel for 6700k -> 7700k for the same reason. OTOH, if it gets 4.4 from Kyle, I'll probably go buy one for the lulz.
     
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  11. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    Ok, We will return to this issue after Kyle, Toms, and Anand, publish their reviews.
     
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    4.2 and maybe 4.3-4.4 golden chips really shouldn't be a surprise...
     
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    I never understand juanrga either. I feel like he is so concentrated on shitting on anything AMD that he forgets to enjoy his own intel rig lol! I mean I have had intel for 10 years I think. But I don't understand brand loyalties.
     
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    Pretty sure that was with stock cooling, which is about 200mhz higher than the 1xxx chips could do. He was quoting temps in the 80s under stress testing, so that wasn't the limit of the chip, just the limit of the stock cooler.
     
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    What exactly where you expecting? This is essentially a light refresh? The "12nm" shrink also isn't really as big or novel as it sounds, it's marketing. Think of it more like 14nm/14nm+ etc etc.

    This is basically what the 4790K/Devils Canyon was to Haswell. We're getting small clock bumps across the board, potentially a slight IPC uplift/increase and stronger refined/designed IMC and/or Uncore. It's yet to be seen but I'd imagine the clockwall may improve a bit as well. This isn't aimed at existing Ryzen owners.

    Zen 2 on 7nm next year is where the huge gains are going to be made and just like with Zen+/RX-2000 series it's going to be a drop-in upgrade for all AM4 users.

    I've seen tons of confusion about this chip here, reddit and on other forums - Zen+/Ryzen 2000 ≠ Zen 2/Zen Successor. Zen 2 will be on 7nm next year and presumably RX-3000 series.

    Edit: Personally, I may pick-up one to play with somewhere. TR, which are the highest binned dies, essentially max out @ 4.2, I could see this refresh allowing for 4.3-4.4ghz OC realistically. That + 3600mhz RAM & the latency improvements potentially add up to a nice little performance bump, especially for being a year out from launch. Zen 2 on 7nm is gonna rip should this trend continue.
     
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    I believe it's just a refresh/spin ala 890FX -> 990FX. I did read somewhere though there would be an additional 4-8x PCI-E lanes but I'm not certain if that legit/rumor. I get what you're saying but I don't see the issue with it ala it's not a new socket or artificially limits/breaks compatibility. It allows them to keep their stack fresh plus gives off the appearance of an upgrade across the board, which helps with casual/average joe users. It probably wasn't too big of a burden on their board partners either just tweaks of existing designs. No signs point to this NOT being an incremental upgrade.
     
  17. TheBlueChanell

    TheBlueChanell [H]ardness Supreme

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    That's why I hung onto my 2600K for so long, even with PCH/platform improvements. My 2600K was rock stable @ 5ghz and it just didn't make sense to update that setup until the 6700K came around. IB @ 4.8+ was a fight or required lots of voltage and Haswell until +/Devils Canyon wasn't much better.

    I was/have been underwhelmed by Ryzen's OC headroom but I get it, it's process isn't really meant or the best for that. I'm really looking forward to see what they can do with clocks on Samsung/GloFo 7nm.
     
  18. NKD

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    Similar situation here. I have a 7600k running at 4.9ghz rock stable. For the workload I put on it I have to really justify to myself if anything else is even worth it. Lol. Only time I see myself upgrading is if I passed this system on and built a new one.

    The old school me would have taken cpu board and memory and upgrade with adding more money but my patience has grown with time. I hate taking my system apart if I don’t have to now and other things like having a family and life keep me busy lol. When I was young I had all kinds of time for computers.
     
  19. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    Did you miss my post #491 where I agreed with him on stop discussing this with him until Kyle, Toms, and AT publish their reviews? I guess you also missed #418 where I posted my predictions about OC

    So do you feel than expecting 4.3--4.4GHz is "shitting on anything AMD"? Or "shitting on anything AMD" is only when mentioning that all reviews and leaks known until now put the 2600/2600X in the 4.0--4.1GHz range and the 2700X in the 4.2--4.3GHz range?

    It always puzzles me how some people in the Internet is able to invent/imagine things about other people in the Internet. I read all kind of crazy stuff about me, that I am Mexican, that I am Intel worker with nº contract 4004, that I am sitting in a starbuck and typing on an ipad,... ROFL
     
  20. pendragon1

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    just go away...
     
  21. Pieter3dnow

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    Maybe if you ask nicely :)

    Pricing information would suggest that this is not that much better then the previous range with some exceptions. That would also suggest that again the range of the overclocks happening on the silicon is not very likely.

    I remember the person that does some work for AMD on overclocking suggested that you could do 4.2ghz on some 1800x . That did not materialize if you want to lookup some of the numbers regarding golden samples and higher overclock this might give you a better perspective on how many chips are needed to get such numbers.
     
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    Absolutely statistically damning.
     
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    my buddy has one already clocked to 4.8G, it may do 4.9-5G they say. Custom WC was used
     
  25. DuronBurgerMan

    DuronBurgerMan [H]ard|Gawd

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    Citation needed.
     
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    I really doubt that overclock jut using normal water cooling.
     
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    Genuine question as have a 7700k at 5ghz for my gaming rig and an 1800x for secondary rig (work , 2nd game at times so on) , like them both of course.

    My gaming rig is always going to be just that , gaming rig , zero multitasking etc.

    Any chance this 2nd gen Ryzen will be able to OC enough to replace 7700k at 5ghz

    Just curious as I rotate my rigs out every 1-2 years to clients / friends and wondered if should be looking at 8700k or new Ryzen for pure gaming
     
  29. KazeoHin

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    8700K for pure gaming.
     
  30. pendragon1

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    they say they used a water chiller but I didn't see any actual proof, like pics...
     
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    Yeah and I can say I make more then Bill Gates, might mean more if I had some actual proof of such a claim. Would be nice if true but it seems highly unlikely.
     
  32. pendragon1

    pendragon1 [H]ardForum Junkie

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    which is why I said I dont see proof...
     
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  33. DuronBurgerMan

    DuronBurgerMan [H]ard|Gawd

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    Indeed. Citation (or more evidence than somebody saying they did it on a forum) needed. Anybody can say anything random on the Internet.

    In any event, tomorrow Kyle will tell us what we can actually expect, and all will be well.
     
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  34. sirmonkey1985

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    all depends on the resolution and frame rate you want and whether or not you're gpu limited.. 4k60fps doesn't matter, both are pretty much identical.. 1080p/1440p 144hz 8700k may be the better option but we'll find out for sure tomorrow.
     
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    ^^^^^ And it depends on if you have to have, The Best of the Best Sir.. With Honors.. or a gaming rig that gets what you want out of it..
     
  36. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    Reviews are obtaining 4.2--4.3GHz.

    AMD also officially claims 4.2GHz OC for most chips. So that people that pre-ordered the chips and OC them to around 4.2GHz were obtaining the expected average OC.
     
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  37. cageymaru

    cageymaru [H]ard as it Gets

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    [H]ardocp says that Ryzen 2 is the real deal!

    AMD 2nd Gen Ryzen 2 2700X Zen+ CPU Review
    https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/04/19/amd_2nd_gen_ryzen_2_2700x_zen_cpu_review/5

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    Can't wait for [H]ardocp to do their real world testing because looking at these numbers from Anandtech, Ryzen looks great!
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/12625/amd-second-generation-ryzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600/15

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    It's good to see that Ryzen has kept up the multi-threaded performance in games- gotta wonder about those overclocking results though, did it throw some timings out of whack?
     
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    I bet if that chip can overclock to 4.3 then they will get the same results on the Civ 6 AI benchmark.
     
  40. cageymaru

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    4.2GHz seems to be the realistic limit of these chips. I was reading that 4.3GHz requires a lot of voltage and sucks a lot of power. Look at the rest of the gaming suite that they tested. Seems that Ryzen did very well.

    I did hear that Anandtech was going to retest the processors as people are wondering if their was some software issue with the Intel system.