You posted one random guy, then say "it's not one random guy". I don't care if he's a foreigner, per se. I'm saying anybody can post anything to reddit, and we have no way to verify any of it. This is why proper reviews with good, well-documented methodology are key. "People" I hate that term. Which people? When? Some random reddit guy in the AMD fan club or something? An incel in momma's basement? I expected Ryzen to be roundabout what it was. Competitive, but still behind on a core-for-core basis. Somewhere in the 4GHz range with OC. I expected Zen+ to be roundabout +400MHz on top of that. Now, the latter seems off the table now given the base and boost clocks of the 2700X - and that is somewhat disappointing, yes. But it's hardly 'expecting miracles' either. And it's possible the +400MHz may still happen with a good OCer like Kyle and other [H]ard folks. Then again, perhaps not. We'll know soon man. PATIENCE!