New parts from Intel for the datacenter - including a 56c/112t monster

Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by Mr. Bluntman, Apr 3, 2019.

  1. Mr. Bluntman

    Mr. Bluntman [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,407
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Intel-Xeon-Family-1-800x534.jpg
    Image copyright Intel Corporation

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ter-56-core-xeons-10nm-fpgas-100gig-ethernet/

    The highlight is the Xeon Platinum 9282, running at a base clock of 2.6GHz with a turbo of 3.8GHz, 77MB of L3 cache, and hamburger frying 400w TDP. Pricing is not publicly available as this is an OEM/SI only part. As Ars puts it, "it'll be somewhere north of expensive." No doubt.

    The 2nd Gen Xeon Scalables will start at just over $10,000 and will top out at 28c/56t, 2.7GHz base and 4GHz turbo, 37.5MB of L3 cache, and 205w TDP.

    Also pictured is Optane DC Persistent memory, and the Xeon D-1600 series ranging from 2c/4t and 27w TDP to 8c/16t and 65w TDP. Hit the link for the skinny.

    Discuss.
     
  2. [21CW]killerofall

    [21CW]killerofall Aliens...

    Messages:
    2,910
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2006
    You know what they say, "If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it." My guess is that it will be in the high 5 figures per chip with systems costing in the mid to low 6 figures fully configured, hopefully supporting somewhere north of 2TB of ECC RAM. *insert "all the VMs" meme*
     
    Gavv likes this.
  3. Krazy925

    Krazy925 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,611
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2012
    Obligatory and infuriating but does it run crysis comment.

    Sweet chip for those who need it more seriously.
     
  4. sirmonkey1985

    sirmonkey1985 [H]ard|DCer of the Month - July 2010

    Messages:
    21,253
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008
    the 9282 seems more like a marketing team hail mary to slow down the shift to AMD's rome processors then a legitimate product..
     
    Revdarian, {NG}Fidel, zerogg and 2 others like this.
  5. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

    Messages:
    18,756
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2005
    400W?!

    So, special 21U chassis...for cooling unit clearance?
     
  6. Uvaman2

    Uvaman2 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,041
    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2016
    56core with 8 pcie lanes.

    The 56core ' Enterprise Plus Edition' with 32 pcie lanes is double the price.
     
  7. pillagenburn

    pillagenburn Gawd

    Messages:
    946
    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2006
    this thing is a nuclear turd... can it be used as a makeshift direct energy weapon?
     
  8. JustinCorrigible

    JustinCorrigible Gawd

    Messages:
    750
    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2011
    I thought that RAM at first was just for scale... those are HUGE cpus.
     
  9. lcpiper

    lcpiper [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,504
    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2008
    Greater surface area for increased thermal contact for cooling.

    56cores, I'd be looking really hard if my primary licenses are priced by the socket vs by the core. Even if I had to upgrade some cooling in the server room, licenses get freaking expensive.
     
  10. lostinseganet

    lostinseganet [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,133
    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2008
    Disconnect your refrigerator and/or stove to get at the 240V jack? :p
     
  11. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

    Messages:
    18,756
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2005
    Legit solution. :eek:
     
    Red Falcon and Mr. Bluntman like this.
  12. AlphaQup

    AlphaQup Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    280
    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2014
    Same here at work... the price of the physical CPU itself is a drop in the bucket compared to the software cost.
     
  13. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,455
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2003
    I don't really see 400w being much of an issue- even two of them in a chassis. You'd probably want it in 4U, but whatever.
     
  14. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

    Messages:
    18,756
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2005
    There aren't any 21U chassis's in existence...my comment was purely sarcastic.
     
    wolfofone likes this.
  15. thenapalm

    thenapalm Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    412
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2001
  16. pillagenburn

    pillagenburn Gawd

    Messages:
    946
    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2006
  17. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

    Messages:
    18,756
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2005
  18. pillagenburn

    pillagenburn Gawd

    Messages:
    946
    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2006
    Yes I know and that is why we have drills and duct tape - IT'S EVEN GOT WHEELZ!

    upload_2019-4-4_16-42-10.png
     
    noko, Ur_Mom, RussianJ and 2 others like this.
  19. cjcox

    cjcox [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,133
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Just like with Tesla, I'm going to wait for a $35,000 version to come out.
     
    Shadow_Foxx likes this.
  20. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,455
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2003
    Which implied that the TDP is excessive/would be difficult to handle, when it really isn't either.
     
  21. mnewxcv

    mnewxcv [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,399
    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2007
    How soon until they have add on attachments like a hot plate or a deep fryer to take advantage of that heat? Maybe a popcorn maker?
     
  22. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

    Messages:
    18,756
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2005
    Shit, sign me up - I've never hung a motherboard from a server rack before. :D
     
    Nobu likes this.
  23. Grimlaking

    Grimlaking 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,793
    Joined:
    May 9, 2006
    Yea that's a small rack actually. we use I believe 44 U racks for our servers.

    And to me 56 cores in a socket is overkill and not much of a speed boost. What s sexy are those 28 core units at 2.7 ghz. that's not a bad deal for VM hosts. A pair of those in a 2u chassis with 768gb or 1tb of ram. That could be good.
     
    AlphaQup likes this.
  24. cdabc123

    cdabc123 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,248
    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2016
    Still not enough threads for me
     
  25. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,455
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2003
    MORE DOTS
     
  26. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,455
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2003
    I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the real applications for this level of core density and per-core performance are pretty limited.

    Not that it wouldn't be cool to work with them, but I can't say that outside of being an expensive VM host, what the cost/benefit would be with the per-node limits of storage and network fabric.
     
  27. Grimlaking

    Grimlaking 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,793
    Joined:
    May 9, 2006

    I see where you're going and in truth I agree. The cost for a loaded host with let's say 4 socket 56 core (at 25k a cpu I'm sure) system loaded with... 4 tb of ram. With tons of i/o connectivity and 40gb network ports. You're talking 350k in hardware per system.. And if you're using this as a database host server you will need at least two of these. Probably spend a half million on a large/fast storage array to feed the IOPS need. Maybe two of them for storage redundancy. So you're at 1.5 call it 2 million for network switches and assundry services to feed that size of a beast.. Then realize you've just started scratching the surface on cost.

    The nightmare begins whe you realize you have to license sql to the number of physical cores. Let's do some aggressive rounding down and call it 14k per two cores. At 56 cores a socket.. 112 times 14...
    1568 thousand in licensing sql enterprise on a core license plan.

    You need some specialized apps that can handle and use that many cores without crazy licensing.
     
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2019
    IdiotInCharge likes this.
  28. Nobu

    Nobu 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,034
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    Or, just use PostgreSQL...pure profit! /s
     
  29. mashie

    mashie Mawd Gawd

    Messages:
    4,180
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2000
    It's full of glue!
     
    N4CR and Mr. Bluntman like this.
  30. Ur_Mom

    Ur_Mom I'm Not Serious

    Messages:
    19,683
    Joined:
    May 15, 2006
    I'll wait a decade until it hits eBay at $500. Then, grab two of them. It's amazing seeing Xeon CPU's that were once thousands of $$ on eBay for under $100.
     
    Red Falcon, Mr. Bluntman and mashie like this.
  31. Shadow_Foxx

    Shadow_Foxx [H]Lite

    Messages:
    111
    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2011
    Crazy to think how fast technology advances. I remember when the 980x dropped and my mind was blown that it had SIX cores. Now this comes along. I wonder where things will be in 20 years!
     
  32. Uvaman2

    Uvaman2 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,041
    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2016
    There's a cpu shortage... Intel: hold my beer.
    Why waste resources in this pig?
     
  33. Hakaba

    Hakaba Gawd

    Messages:
    618
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2013
    Use it in place of the stove, problem solved.
     
  34. DeeFrag

    DeeFrag [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    5,501
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    This must be Kyle's doing. He has made a CPU/Ratpadz/handwarmer all-in-one.