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New NEC 20WMGX2!!! (Pics inside 56K)
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Perhaps someone could clear this up please.
Can this monitor scale 1:1?
Is it only possible to scale 1:1 in VGA and not in DVI mode?
Is the Dell 2007WFP superior in 1:1 scaling feaures, or could it only be done in VGA?
Thanks
Can this monitor scale 1:1?
Is it only possible to scale 1:1 in VGA and not in DVI mode?
Is the Dell 2007WFP superior in 1:1 scaling feaures, or could it only be done in VGA?
Thanks
pelayostyle
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NicoTak said:
We know it can do this but it wont do it on the PC1 input which happens to be DVI.
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Manon66 said:Clean your desk dude.... putting a nice monitor like that on a dirty desk is a shame
Im actually buying a new desk for my room...... just cause i like this monitor so much.
Well, I read in the quote: "and I tested them via DVI input", so I thought it could help. It seems to me that the option only appears when you are actually in a non-widescreen resolution, but it's only supposition.
I will have this monitor delivered in a day or two, I'll be able to have a look by myself...
So hard to wait for it to come !
I will have this monitor delivered in a day or two, I'll be able to have a look by myself...
So hard to wait for it to come !
This monitor looks great and i'm getting very tempted to order one. The one thing I'm not too impressed with though is that they have cut the HDCP compliance from the UK/European model of this monitor - not too bright with Vista around the corner!
Fortunately for me, i have a mate who lives in the states so I'm thinking of gettting him to order one for me and send it over. My only concern with this is that it might not be compatible with UK voltages (230v-240v) and i don't want to have to run a step down transformer 24/7. I looked on the NEC USA website (http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=438) and it seems to indicate that it should work as it lists the voltage rating as "AC 100-120V/AC 220-240V"
Can anyone who has one confirm whether this is the case? I think it should state the voltage rating on the label on the back of the monitor?
Thanks
Fortunately for me, i have a mate who lives in the states so I'm thinking of gettting him to order one for me and send it over. My only concern with this is that it might not be compatible with UK voltages (230v-240v) and i don't want to have to run a step down transformer 24/7. I looked on the NEC USA website (http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=438) and it seems to indicate that it should work as it lists the voltage rating as "AC 100-120V/AC 220-240V"
Can anyone who has one confirm whether this is the case? I think it should state the voltage rating on the label on the back of the monitor?
Thanks
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killy3000 said:Can anyone who has one confirm whether this is the case? I think it should state the voltage rating on the label on the back of the monitor?
Thanks
here you go
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grimble said:well, I finally caved... I just ordered the NEC 20WMGX2 from pcnation.com. Under order status it's been at verifying address for almost 48 hours now
Congratulations man... and like the tradition on this thread please post some pics
You are going to love it.... there were some games I didn't want to play anymore cause I got bored .. now I'm playing them again just because all the Eye Candy
BTW: I ordered mine from Buy.com and took a while on that process.. eventually arrived.. but if I was you I would give them a call just in case
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I got the black one today. The white one is going in my sisters room. Anyways heres something funny that i noticed........
The box for the black one .........
The box for the white version......
Did anyone notice that ??
(hint: look at the people on it)
The box for the black one .........
The box for the white version......
Did anyone notice that ??
(hint: look at the people on it)
LOL! but what gets me is those boxes look so "pristine"... mine was all scuffed and banged. At first I was worried that there might have been damage.
The other thing that gets me is there was no driver CD!?! To add insult to injury, when I downloaded the latest files off the internet they weren't WHQL certified so XP didn't want to load them. I had to force these drivers to install.
The other thing that gets me is there was no driver CD!?! To add insult to injury, when I downloaded the latest files off the internet they weren't WHQL certified so XP didn't want to load them. I had to force these drivers to install.
Go here:
http://www.necdisplay.com/support/m...edinf/files2.htm&title=Display Device Drivers
Download the "Nec monitor LCD installer" and run it.
It will detect your screen version, download the WHQL driver on the web and intall it. All that in a dozen seconds :-D
I received this monitor a couple hours ago: AMAZING !
I just love it.
I owned a Viewsonic vx2025wm for a week before this one, but it had several things that I didn't like at all. It was like looking thru a frosted window, due to the anti-glare coating. And that coating created an effect that looked like backlight bleeding on 4 corners. This Nec is just perfect and I would recommend to put a bit more money (the viewsonic is not really cheap here in europe) and go with the nec. The glossy panel is not a problem at all if you follow some logic rules (no sunny window behind you, etc...)
Now some more widescreen happiness...
I'll post pics if I can borrow a good camera.
Cya.
http://www.necdisplay.com/support/m...edinf/files2.htm&title=Display Device Drivers
Download the "Nec monitor LCD installer" and run it.
It will detect your screen version, download the WHQL driver on the web and intall it. All that in a dozen seconds :-D
I received this monitor a couple hours ago: AMAZING !
I just love it.
I owned a Viewsonic vx2025wm for a week before this one, but it had several things that I didn't like at all. It was like looking thru a frosted window, due to the anti-glare coating. And that coating created an effect that looked like backlight bleeding on 4 corners. This Nec is just perfect and I would recommend to put a bit more money (the viewsonic is not really cheap here in europe) and go with the nec. The glossy panel is not a problem at all if you follow some logic rules (no sunny window behind you, etc...)
Now some more widescreen happiness...
I'll post pics if I can borrow a good camera.
Cya.
Concerning the scaling:
I use the DVI-D.
I set Win Xp in 1280*1024.
Opening OSD of the monitor and going to "tools".
There's an "expansion mode" menu there. with three options: FULL, ASPECT and OFF.
FULL stretches the image to completely fit the screen, it is quite blurry due to rescaling. No black bars around the picture.
ASPECT keeps the screen ratio intact but stretches the picture to fit it vertically. A bit blurry too due to the slight rescaling. No black bars on top/bottom but large black bars on left/right side are present.
OFF is not touching at all the picture size and quality. It is a 1:1 pixel ratio. There is large black bars on left/right (1280 vs 1680 = 400/2 pixels) and little black bars on top/bottom (1024 vs 1050 = 26/2 pixels).
Tried also this with games and it works as it should.
I'm from belgium (central europe) and it is the 20WGX² version, without the built-in tv-tuner. That version is not sold in europe, due to some crappy laws...
If someone can verify that it is the same for the US version, that would be maybe helpful for some people.
I use the DVI-D.
I set Win Xp in 1280*1024.
Opening OSD of the monitor and going to "tools".
There's an "expansion mode" menu there. with three options: FULL, ASPECT and OFF.
FULL stretches the image to completely fit the screen, it is quite blurry due to rescaling. No black bars around the picture.
ASPECT keeps the screen ratio intact but stretches the picture to fit it vertically. A bit blurry too due to the slight rescaling. No black bars on top/bottom but large black bars on left/right side are present.
OFF is not touching at all the picture size and quality. It is a 1:1 pixel ratio. There is large black bars on left/right (1280 vs 1680 = 400/2 pixels) and little black bars on top/bottom (1024 vs 1050 = 26/2 pixels).
Tried also this with games and it works as it should.
I'm from belgium (central europe) and it is the 20WGX² version, without the built-in tv-tuner. That version is not sold in europe, due to some crappy laws...
If someone can verify that it is the same for the US version, that would be maybe helpful for some people.
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NicoTak said:
The US version does NOT do this..... at least not on DVI-D PC1 input.
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erm, LCDs aren't like CRTs mate. The given size IS the viewable area.
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si0dine said:
Viewing or Display area is 17" wide and 10.5" high so comparing to my old 19" CRT it has the same high and 3 inches wider.
Just got my 20WMGX2 and it rocks! No backlight bleeding or dead pixels that i can see and it has far and away the best picture i have ever seen on an LCD monitor!
Very glad that i imported from the states rather than getting the UK model, the extra inputs have come in very handy already. How did i ever survive without picture in picture before!!!!!!!!
Very glad that i imported from the states rather than getting the UK model, the extra inputs have come in very handy already. How did i ever survive without picture in picture before!!!!!!!!
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Guy's with the NEC 20WMGX2 keep your eye's here in about a month im working with NEC on a public firmware they will use in the new revision of this monitor, it has some nicer option's and a few extra little spiff's, Ill be releasing my version of there firmware with a few other mod's
It seems that on tomshardware.fr they have the new roundup of the 20" WS LCD panels and, of course, 20WGX2 is also present:
http://translate.google.com/transla...teur-1253-2.html&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
This is very interesting:
Impressive! No wonder that I was equally impressed with the response times during the review. No particular in-depth measurements (like here), purely from the perceptive point of view. They confirmed that there is slight overdrive "overshoot" (in other words sometimes minor problems with the overdrive control). This is the reason why you can see that spike from the graph and this is the reason why are they also supporting the famous video "twinkling" (noise or flashing colours) issue. During the overshoot, pixels require more than one image at the time to be stable and this is happening usually during the transition of very close colours in the gamut. For example, black towards the dark gray ... etc. However, as review author stated, in reality and practice (other than video) such overshoot is really not too obvious and doesn't represent the problem.
Anyhow, it's nice to see that AS-IPS redefined the IPS legacy so nicely and that 20WGX2 is still firmly holding the performance crown, even when compared (and according to the latency graphs) with the latest generation of P-MVA (ViewSonic VX2025wm) and S-PVA (Samsung 215TW) panels:
It seems that nothing can't touch the 20WGX2 latency and it's still speed champion, for now.
Couple of comments about the review. It's strange that they were not satisfied with the panel uniformity. Maybe backlight was not uniform on their testing sample ?! I thoroughly tested the panel uniformity (and my panel pictures in the dark may possibly complement this) and couldn't be more happier with the results. Also, it seems that they didn't tested the 1600:1 Advanced DV mode ?! ... not sure why such trend in the reviews. In this mode, colour accuracy is even better and mesaurable black level (at approx 50% brigtness) is around 0.25 (and it can go down to 0.20 @ 100 cd/m2). Of course, you have additional benefits of improved contrast and DFC. On the other hand it may happen that Advanced DV and OptiClear in combination with colorimeter is simply not joy, because perceptive picture quality is drastically different then the measured one. Even without Advanced DV and after proper calibration monitor will still deliver exceptional picture quality. Not to mention the black on this screen is really deep and velvety BLACK. Quite possibly, the optimal settings for the NEC are with the Advanced DV ON, Standard DV mode, 50% contrast and brightness according to the user preference. Strange why such inconsistence in the review.
Also, they mentioned the excellent resolution scaling capabilities (NEC is calling this resolution expansion) of this screen and in essence they are right. You can play the games even at 1024x768 with no particular loss of image quality. Resolution scaling and 1:1 pixel mapping are working great.
So, what can we conclude?. If NEC improve even more overdrive control (stability), combine that with possible "overdrive off" feature (as we witnessed with some NEC screens), review the qos procedures and further improve or implement the new backlight technology ... we would probably have really surprising results and screen which will simply and totally outshine the competition and excel in all possible tasks.
AS-IPS does have the bright future, no doubt
http://translate.google.com/transla...teur-1253-2.html&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
This is very interesting:
Impressive! No wonder that I was equally impressed with the response times during the review. No particular in-depth measurements (like here), purely from the perceptive point of view. They confirmed that there is slight overdrive "overshoot" (in other words sometimes minor problems with the overdrive control). This is the reason why you can see that spike from the graph and this is the reason why are they also supporting the famous video "twinkling" (noise or flashing colours) issue. During the overshoot, pixels require more than one image at the time to be stable and this is happening usually during the transition of very close colours in the gamut. For example, black towards the dark gray ... etc. However, as review author stated, in reality and practice (other than video) such overshoot is really not too obvious and doesn't represent the problem.
Anyhow, it's nice to see that AS-IPS redefined the IPS legacy so nicely and that 20WGX2 is still firmly holding the performance crown, even when compared (and according to the latency graphs) with the latest generation of P-MVA (ViewSonic VX2025wm) and S-PVA (Samsung 215TW) panels:
It seems that nothing can't touch the 20WGX2 latency and it's still speed champion, for now.
Couple of comments about the review. It's strange that they were not satisfied with the panel uniformity. Maybe backlight was not uniform on their testing sample ?! I thoroughly tested the panel uniformity (and my panel pictures in the dark may possibly complement this) and couldn't be more happier with the results. Also, it seems that they didn't tested the 1600:1 Advanced DV mode ?! ... not sure why such trend in the reviews. In this mode, colour accuracy is even better and mesaurable black level (at approx 50% brigtness) is around 0.25 (and it can go down to 0.20 @ 100 cd/m2). Of course, you have additional benefits of improved contrast and DFC. On the other hand it may happen that Advanced DV and OptiClear in combination with colorimeter is simply not joy, because perceptive picture quality is drastically different then the measured one. Even without Advanced DV and after proper calibration monitor will still deliver exceptional picture quality. Not to mention the black on this screen is really deep and velvety BLACK. Quite possibly, the optimal settings for the NEC are with the Advanced DV ON, Standard DV mode, 50% contrast and brightness according to the user preference. Strange why such inconsistence in the review.
Also, they mentioned the excellent resolution scaling capabilities (NEC is calling this resolution expansion) of this screen and in essence they are right. You can play the games even at 1024x768 with no particular loss of image quality. Resolution scaling and 1:1 pixel mapping are working great.
So, what can we conclude?. If NEC improve even more overdrive control (stability), combine that with possible "overdrive off" feature (as we witnessed with some NEC screens), review the qos procedures and further improve or implement the new backlight technology ... we would probably have really surprising results and screen which will simply and totally outshine the competition and excel in all possible tasks.
AS-IPS does have the bright future, no doubt
Great! ... and such effort! to import the 20WMGX2 from the USkilly3000 said:
Yes, it's a great screen. When you combine the facts that you have the panel based on the latest AS-IPS technology, excellent viewing angles, exceptional response time, great colour reproduction and picture balance/contrast, 1600:1 Advanced DV + DFC (digital fine contrast), OptiClear ... it's such complete package and you are really getting so much in the return for the invested money, at least when we consider the Europe price tag.
I'm not quite following you. You are working with the NEC (US ?) on the "public" firmware for the new monitor revision, but on the other hand you are releasing your "own" firmware version (and NEC will give you the firmware ?!) so that you may release it to the public ... so I guess that we just have to "firmware flash" our monitors somehow ?!BitchBreaker said:Guy's with the NEC 20WMGX2 keep your eye's here in about a month im working with NEC on a public firmware they will use in the new revision of this monitor, it has some nicer option's and a few extra little spiff's, Ill be releasing my version of there firmware with a few other mod's
Can you, please, be more specific and maybe reveal slightly more details about this
unless you are under the NDA from NEC. I'm very keen to know what's going on WickedWeasel
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Tom's Hardware latency graphs are a great way to see the actual response of the LCD panels. The NEC20WG latency curve looks like crap on the left side. Is the left side just shades of gray and won't be as noticeable?
The review on video playback is disappointing since I plan to watch porn on the LCD!
The review on video playback is disappointing since I plan to watch porn on the LCD!
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I work with NEC on new hardware, review's, beta testing..and so on...im making us a better firmware based off there new firmware for these monitor's and ill show ya how to flash the firmware on your own
So ... what exactly is wrong with the current firmware and what improvements do we need or may expect ?! Is this only for 20WMGX2 or European 20WGX2 version is also included? I've never heard that you can flash any firmware for any LCD manually, so if your statements are honest, this must be the breakthrough ... no doubt.BitchBreaker said:I work with NEC on new hardware, review's, beta testing..and so on...im making us a better firmware based off there new firmware for these monitor's and ill show ya how to flash the firmware on your own
Are you for real ?
NB If you are so involved with the NEC, do you know by any chance if the secret service menu for 20WGX2 is available and what is the access path ?
It's just slight overdrive overshoot (as I explained above). Apart from movie playback (slight pixel flashing/noise), it's not noticeable in other working modes ... so no reason to worry about. Generally, any LCD (even LCD TV) with overdrive is suffering from video noise (twinkling) to some extent. Solution is that you watch your movies from the distance, which is somewhat normal.WickedWeasel said:
LOL ... well don't watch your movies from the close proximity (that's the solution) - or even better, maybe it's time for more practice - less watching.WickedWeasel said:
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I will be checking to see if i can give out the service menue switches, if so then ill post here, the firmware will be for us/uk model's alike with just a few different changes between them both.The added option's will be more geared to ratios of color and some BMP compression field's..i found them in the source but im not sure why there there..ill try and enable then and test there effect..but i doubt there going to make any great improvement...
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Can you force this panel to display at 75Hz?
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i will confirm the forcing of unrated freq's but i cant be 100% on that, the fix for DVI/PC1 is in the new firmware and yes the flash is "kinda" easy..you do have to open the LCD up to attach the special cable you also have to make and at witch time NEC gives me the green light i will show you how to make..Also i tested the compression field..it dident do crap cept render my test monitor useless..having to reflash sux...