New I7- 8086k CPU Anniversary Edition

Yeah, that's always how it is. "Worth it" is really a question of personal finances and perf/$ valuation. It is interesting how people tend to want to imply it is an absolute scale though.

My house is probably not "worth it". Nor is my choice of car, sunglasses, musical instruments, artwork, wine, etc. But I can afford these things, and they are improving my life in tangible ways, so F it. I don't spend a lot on shoes or handbags.


You only get so many orbits around the sun. Buy the CPU that makes you happy.
 
I'm kinda tempted to go for one to be honest, since it seems to me with the sheer level of nihilism in this release that Intel is basically saying, don't expect our 8-core desktop anytime soon. Like end of this year if you're lucky.

Then again, I'm sure my overclocked Haswell will easily last me till the end of the year, so there's really no need for me to waste my time or money with it if I'm being totally logical. I'd also be forced to moved to Windows 10 due to Z370 support. :rolleyes:
 
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$429 for what?
 
I'm kinda tempted to go for one to be honest, since it seems to me with the sheer level of nihilism in this release that Intel is basically saying, don't expect our 8-core desktop anytime soon. Like end of this year if you're lucky.

Then again, I'm sure my overclocked Haswell will easily last me till the end of the year, so there's really no need for me to waste my time or money with it if I'm being totally logical. I'd also be forced to moved to Windows 10 due to Z370 support. :rolleyes:

Some would say there are already 8 core desktop CPU's out there for cheaper
 
$429 for what?
Oooooo I can play cherry-pick the review too!

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/119129-intel-core-i7-8086k-14nm/

"Research shows it's 100-150MHz better than our in-house Core i7-8700K when approaching the 5GHz barrier, and if you like that number, the best chance is with this processor. In that case, the £60 premium is probably less than you'd pay a specialist company that guarantees certain overclocks via their own binning. We expect most Core i7-8086K chips to hit a perfectly stable all-core 5GHz with sub-1.3V.

Of course, being a limited edition chip, with around 42,000 available to the public, the prudent enthusiast may just keep one aside for future appreciation - geeks and their money are easily parted for limited-run products.

More pragmatically, the higher boost clocks increase Intel's lead in light-load tests when compared to AMD Ryzen, though those eight-core, 16-thread CPUs still do very well from a bang-for-buck and multithreaded performance perspective.

Intel is asking you to pay a 20 per cent premium for a chip that is likely to overclock better than the Core i7-8700K. Is it worth it? That absolutely depends upon your overclocking viewpoint and whether having a limited-edition processor tickles your fancy.

You'll know if you want one."
 
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FYI, MicroCenter has them for $400 now. They'll also pricematch themselves if you've already bought one from them.
 

Some would say there are already 8 core desktop CPU's out there for cheaper

Appreciate what you're saying here, but am curious if said 8 core desktop CPUs featured on the charts linked one post earlier?

To play Devil's Advocate (for Intel today... AMD tomorrow), I hope its not too contentious to say that while the i7s may not the best bang-for-buck, they take the performance crown for gaming, while AMD has both the performance and pricing crown for multi-threading/productivity comparing product tiers. So, if Intel does manage to throw out a 8C/16T Coffee Lake that clocks higher than Ryzen, wouldn't that risk leaving AMD to... just that, just being cheaper?

Oops. Back on topic. Personally, I do find the i7 8086K a bit strange. At first I thought if was nice for someone that wanted a hands off, no manual overclocking, 5ghz all core clock via MCE, but wager there mightn't be much correlation between those unwilling to overclock and those willing to spend that much on a CPU. So that leaves those willing for splash a little extra cash for better binning (hey, its your money!), or it just being the commemorative coin of the technology world... but that being a world prone to depreciation when the next thing comes along followed by obsolescence.
 
Appreciate what you're saying here, but am curious if said 8 core desktop CPUs featured on the charts linked one post earlier?

To play Devil's Advocate (for Intel today... AMD tomorrow), I hope its not too contentious to say that while the i7s may not the best bang-for-buck, they take the performance crown for gaming, while AMD has both the performance and pricing crown for multi-threading/productivity comparing product tiers. So, if Intel does manage to throw out a 8C/16T Coffee Lake that clocks higher than Ryzen, wouldn't that risk leaving AMD to... just that, just being cheaper?

Oops. Back on topic. Personally, I do find the i7 8086K a bit strange. At first I thought if was nice for someone that wanted a hands off, no manual overclocking, 5ghz all core clock via MCE, but wager there mightn't be much correlation between those unwilling to overclock and those willing to spend that much on a CPU. So that leaves those willing for splash a little extra cash for better binning (hey, its your money!), or it just being the commemorative coin of the technology world... but that being a world prone to depreciation when the next thing comes along followed by obsolescence.

It seems like chipzilla is more reactionary opposed to innovative, Intel is desperate enough to make new process for new SKU's of the same process just to pad their ego, AMD wins mind share not because it is faster or overclocks higher, but rather because of delivering and being more client sensitive to market requirements. So it will not really change anything.

A year and some ago Intel "were not concerned" they then became implicitly concerned by conduct ie: changed from quads to hex cores, they are now extremely concerned by the fact they have to misrepresent products to try derail another players thunder.

And now apparently making old things new and more expensive.
 
I re-applied liquid metal on my 8086K and reduced the temps around 7 - 8 degrees. Still at 5.3ghz @ 1.35.5, but @ 76 - 79c under load now.

$10 Chinese delidder on eBay ( 30 days for shipping ) or $10 3D printed delidder north America or $20+ for the same metal types the Chinese sale north America. Liquid metal is around $13 or so dollars. Use a toothpick to microdot up around the IHS to reapply. Pro tip, cut the pointed end back to give you a bit more surface area to pickup the sealant from the tube. This gives you the perfect sized dot of sealant. This method works great imho,

Eventually would like to go under a commercial water chiller like some guys are doing.

5.5ghz on a delidded 9700K? What dreams are made of.
 
It seems like chipzilla is more reactionary opposed to innovative, Intel is desperate enough to make new process for new SKU's of the same process just to pad their ego, AMD wins mind share not because it is faster or overclocks higher, but rather because of delivering and being more client sensitive to market requirements. So it will not really change anything.

A year and some ago Intel "were not concerned" they then became implicitly concerned by conduct ie: changed from quads to hex cores, they are now extremely concerned by the fact they have to misrepresent products to try derail another players thunder.

And now apparently making old things new and more expensive.

I'm not sure I understand the argument there, so more Devil's Advocacy.

How is paying extra for a better binned 8700K marked as a 8086K, that much different from paying extra for a better binned 2700 marked as a 2700X? Or any more or less a for profit company, acting and reacting as a for profit company? There had been calls for a commemorative SKU, so the temptation of low hanging fruit was there...

Would suggest that being faster would have a significant on impact on mind share as does higher clocks, given the whole "bigger numbers mean better" thing as demonstrated by Intel and AMD's childish one-upmanships with chip set naming, and how having the performance crown in the GPU market seems create a favourable (and not always accurate) perception of the equivalent mid-range cards.

Whether desperate or not, the point is they seemingly can. That its an established process, I'm not sure how calling it out as being old strengthens the argument when its still competitive with the competition's newest process. To sound like a broken record, kudos to AMD for the arms race unfolding, but... beyond that having been considered to be in the wilderness for so long to then catch up to what is considered a stagnate Intel, is one reason I struggle to understand the brand loyalty for either.

Also, I wasn't being (entirely) facetious about the charts, I am still shopping for an upgrade so am genuinely curious if you could provide a source. Best fit for purpose > logo on the box.
 
I re-applied liquid metal on my 8086K and reduced the temps around 7 - 8 degrees. Still at 5.3ghz @ 1.35.5, but @ 76 - 79c under load now.

$10 Chinese delidder on eBay ( 30 days for shipping ) or $10 3D printed delidder north America or $20+ for the same metal types the Chinese sale north America. Liquid metal is around $13 or so dollars. Use a toothpick to microdot up around the IHS to reapply. Pro tip, cut the pointed end back to give you a bit more surface area to pickup the sealant from the tube. This gives you the perfect sized dot of sealant. This method works great imho,

Eventually would like to go under a commercial water chiller like some guys are doing.

5.5ghz on a delidded 9700K? What dreams are made of.
You’re really making me want to delid these things. What AVX offset are you using @ 5.3?
 
That's all this is - higher binned speed, limited production run, cool 40th anniversary sticker.
Just got around to opening mine up. It just has a regular i7 case badge, not a cool one with any of the limited edition graphics they've used in their advertisements for this thing. Bah, humbug.
 
SL released their bins of this CPU. 100% - 5.0ghz, 92% 5.1ghz, 60% 5.2ghz, 14% 5.3ghz. Nothing that exceeds 5.3, so same as 8700K, just much better chance of a good bin, as we expected.

That turns out to be overall slightly cheaper than SL bins of the 8700K, but you still need to delid. So overall this CPU isn't interesting if you already have a good 8700K bin, but if you don't, it's a cheaper way to get a CPU that will probably have higher single thread speed than the 9700K, at the expense of 2 cores.
 
SL released their bins of this CPU. 100% - 5.0ghz, 92% 5.1ghz, 60% 5.2ghz, 14% 5.3ghz. Nothing that exceeds 5.3, so same as 8700K, just much better chance of a good bin, as we expected.

That turns out to be overall slightly cheaper than SL bins of the 8700K, but you still need to delid. So overall this CPU isn't interesting if you already have a good 8700K bin, but if you don't, it's a cheaper way to get a CPU that will probably have higher single thread speed than the 9700K, at the expense of 2 cores.

LOL @ $800+ for the chip from SL.... for what? 5 fps more than an 8700k?
 
LOL @ $800+ for the chip from SL.... for what? 5 fps more than an 8700k?

I think the 5.3ghz 8700K was even higher. But no one prices things by performance, they price them by what people are willing to pay, and some people are not constrained by money they just want to have the best, and that is the best single thread performance available.
 
I think the 5.3ghz 8700K was even higher. But no one prices things by performance, they price them by what people are willing to pay, and some people are not constrained by money they just want to have the best, and that is the best single thread performance available.

with that logic just price them at 10,000 each.... hell someone will buy it
 
with that logic just price them at 10,000 each.... hell someone will buy it

This is a silly argument, SL is a business and they've sold thousands of CPUs. I'm sure they've done their due diligence on the correct level of price discrimination relative to rarity of a bin.
 
This is a silly argument, SL is a business and they've sold thousands of CPUs. I'm sure they've done their due diligence on the correct level of price discrimination relative to rarity of a bin.

Maybe but so is an 800 dollar processor that is a whopping 100 mhz faster than a 299 processor.
 
Interesting SLs standard config is a -2 AVX offset. Across the board.
One of my non-delided 8086s does 5.0/5.0 @ 1.36v. Haven’t opened the other one yet.
They’re probably being pretty conservative given they cannot control customer’s cooling or environmentals.
Definitely happy with this chip.
 
SL released their bins of this CPU. 100% - 5.0ghz, 92% 5.1ghz, 60% 5.2ghz, 14% 5.3ghz. Nothing that exceeds 5.3, so same as 8700K, just much better chance of a good bin, as we expected.

That turns out to be overall slightly cheaper than SL bins of the 8700K, but you still need to delid. So overall this CPU isn't interesting if you already have a good 8700K bin, but if you don't, it's a cheaper way to get a CPU that will probably have higher single thread speed than the 9700K, at the expense of 2 cores.
If SL are to be believed, a 60% chance for an 8086k to hit 5.2ghz as opposed to the 8700k's 17% chance to hit 5.2ghz is fairly substantial; at least for those who care about such things.

So the pre-binning is certainly helping. Moreover, the 8086k's 100% 5.0ghz bin is quite promising for those who just wish to buy the chip from retail (the delidding service and 1 year warranty do make buying from SL to remain worthwhile)
 
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Mine just came in :)

Anyone else a little peeved that Intel didn't at least include a special edition sticker instead of the traditional i7 sticker? :/
 
Mine just came in :)

Anyone else a little peeved that Intel didn't at least include a special edition sticker instead of the traditional i7 sticker? :/

No. Stickers? Ain't got time fo dat.
 
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Interesting SLs standard config is a -2 AVX offset. Across the board.
One of my non-delided 8086s does 5.0/5.0 @ 1.36v. Haven’t opened the other one yet.
They’re probably being pretty conservative given they cannot control customer’s cooling or environmentals.
Definitely happy with this chip.

All relative
I haven't checked out SL in a while, but I found they're 1 hour run of Asus RealBench not very impressive.
I've had OC's halt RealBench after the 4 or 5 hour mark repeatedly and had to up voltage until getting an 8 hour pass.

Also you should be able to coax out a better OC by dropping down the cache frequency, which has next to no effect on performance; at least in comparison to frequency

All that being said
Overclock.net is probably your best bet if your looking for hints
More people there that would replace a 8700k a 8086

http://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...ck-results-thread.html#/topics/1700666?page=2
 
All relative
I haven't checked out SL in a while, but I found they're 1 hour run of Asus RealBench not very impressive.

That's not what they use to test. Also oc.net tends to be full of people who think 1.4v is 'scary' and claim unrealistically low voltages for their frequencies to be anywhere near stable, so I suspect SL's testing is more robust than most.
 
That's not what they use to test. Also oc.net tends to be full of people who think 1.4v is 'scary' and claim unrealistically low voltages for their frequencies to be anywhere near stable, so I suspect SL's testing is more robust than most.
Like I said I haven't checked them out in quite a while; and looking for what tests only gets you a "something of everything"
However for 7th gen this was still true (I think first round of 8th gen as well)
1 hour of RealBench
Probably had to up they're game since the competition was more rigorous

Also maybe you haven't noticed, the "forum" to SL directly links to OC.net

I didn't say follow everyone's advice, I said there's good info there, including from people who do OC for a living

I've come across 2 who think 1.5v is fine 24/7
And some who actually killed 2 7700K's through Prime
Not just degraded, but killed. 2 chips in a row.
Not saying be a sheep and what everyone does.

Again info is to be found there, good info too, also on settings no one knows what they do exactly sometimes
Or the differences when it comes to manufacturers lingo (Asus vs Gigabyte VS MSI ,so on)
 

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Also maybe you haven't noticed, the "forum" to SL directly links to OC.net

I didn't say follow everyone's advice, I said there's good info there, including from people who do OC for a living

I've come across 2 who think 1.5v is fine 24/7
And some who actually killed 2 7700K's through Prime
Not just degraded, but killed. 2 chips in a row.
Not saying be a sheep and what everyone does.

I noticed, I'm a poster on oc.net as well. And yes, I agree there's good info there, I was just saying that SL's current testing is more robust than what most posters put their machines through. There are definitely people who do much more than the average poster, that's very true. I hadn't seen the post about killing two 7700Ks, do you have a link? That sounds interesting.
 
I punched in 1.385v and compiled Linux kernel at 5.1GHz, but 5.2 crashed. I barely had any time to play with my pile of shiny new toys. Damn, is 1.425v safe? I got that monster Noctua NH-D15 hsf.
 
Damn, is 1.425v safe? I got that monster Noctua NH-D15 hsf.

Yes. I've been running my 8700K at 1.43V 5.2ghz for 8 months with no issues, and SL recommends voltages as high as 1.435V for their 5.3ghz skus, with a 1 year warranty. They wouldn't use those voltages if they caused returns or unhappy customers. Now, is your CPU going to last 10 years at 1.425v? Maybe not, who knows, nobody can really tell you since there isn't even data on Sky Lake that old yet.

A lot depends on how hard you load it, as Peter2K mentioned, if you are running prime95 AVX constantly or folding 24/7, that is a lot more stressful on a CPU at high voltage than normal use.
 
Good or bad, science or not, 1.4v is my limit for Kaby and Coffee.
And all of my Kaby and Coffee chips are happiest at 1.36v max. Things just start getting stupid hot n loud exponentially past that, even with good cooling.
 
Did a little playing around with my 8086K. I'm running it in a SFF system (NCASE M1). I have a Noctua U9S 92mm tower cooler. I was able to run stable at 1.35 volts, all cores, at 5GHZ. However, the heat was too much for the U9S. I backed it down to 5GHZ for 2 cores, and 4.8GHZ on all 6 cores at 1.285. This chip, with better cooling, could probably easily hit 5.2GHZ all day long.

Coming from a 6700K at 4.6GHZ, I didn't expect a huge improvement. However, I did see a reduction of frame rate dips in BF1 and PUBG. It made for a better experience on HFR monitor. I'm running a 980TI at 1.45GHZ for reference. 1440P resolution.
 
Did a little playing around with my 8086K. I'm running it in a SFF system (NCASE M1). I have a Noctua U9S 92mm tower cooler. I was able to run stable at 1.35 volts, all cores, at 5GHZ. However, the heat was too much for the U9S. I backed it down to 5GHZ for 2 cores, and 4.8GHZ on all 6 cores at 1.285. This chip, with better cooling, could probably easily hit 5.2GHZ all day long.

Coming from a 6700K at 4.6GHZ, I didn't expect a huge improvement. However, I did see a reduction of frame rate dips in BF1 and PUBG. It made for a better experience on HFR monitor. I'm running a 980TI at 1.45GHZ for reference. 1440P resolution.
Yeah delidding that chip would probably eliminate most of your heat problem.

CPU clockspeed does help in scenarios such as 1% lows and single thread dependent games such as the strategy variety.

I too run a NCASE so good to see!
 
Did a little playing around with my 8086K. I'm running it in a SFF system (NCASE M1). I have a Noctua U9S 92mm tower cooler. I was able to run stable at 1.35 volts, all cores, at 5GHZ. However, the heat was too much for the U9S. I backed it down to 5GHZ for 2 cores, and 4.8GHZ on all 6 cores at 1.285. This chip, with better cooling, could probably easily hit 5.2GHZ all day long.

Coming from a 6700K at 4.6GHZ, I didn't expect a huge improvement. However, I did see a reduction of frame rate dips in BF1 and PUBG. It made for a better experience on HFR monitor. I'm running a 980TI at 1.45GHZ for reference. 1440P resolution.
What mobo did you use, I am thinking of going with ASRock Taichi.... any thoughts?
 
Did a little playing around with my 8086K. I'm running it in a SFF system (NCASE M1). I have a Noctua U9S 92mm tower cooler. I was able to run stable at 1.35 volts, all cores, at 5GHZ. However, the heat was too much for the U9S. I backed it down to 5GHZ for 2 cores, and 4.8GHZ on all 6 cores at 1.285. This chip, with better cooling, could probably easily hit 5.2GHZ all day long.

Coming from a 6700K at 4.6GHZ, I didn't expect a huge improvement. However, I did see a reduction of frame rate dips in BF1 and PUBG. It made for a better experience on HFR monitor. I'm running a 980TI at 1.45GHZ for reference. 1440P resolution.

I delidded mine and running 4923 at 1.288v under load, set at 1.304 in bios. 8 hours of real bench stable, thats the longest I ran it to test for stability. Don't care about running it more. But the temps were in the 60s when delidded with my Thermal take floe ring 360 rgb cooler, which has the quietest fans at full speed. I can't even hear it over regular room noise. Don't feel like pushing it to hard. Wanted to stay below 1.3v under load and I am not sure if extra 75mhz is worth the extra voltage.
 
Did a little playing around with my 8086K. I'm running it in a SFF system (NCASE M1). I have a Noctua U9S 92mm tower cooler. I was able to run stable at 1.35 volts, all cores, at 5GHZ. However, the heat was too much for the U9S. I backed it down to 5GHZ for 2 cores, and 4.8GHZ on all 6 cores at 1.285. This chip, with better cooling, could probably easily hit 5.2GHZ all day long.

Coming from a 6700K at 4.6GHZ, I didn't expect a huge improvement. However, I did see a reduction of frame rate dips in BF1 and PUBG. It made for a better experience on HFR monitor. I'm running a 980TI at 1.45GHZ for reference. 1440P resolution.

That’s more of your perception than reality though. Especially with 980ti at 1440p. There’re tons of benchmarks showing no substantial difference between 6700k/7700k and 8700k (which 8086 essentially is) running 1080ti at 1080p, and everything becoming totally the same at 1440p. You’re facing a gpu bottleneck way earlier with 980ti.
 
That’s more of your perception than reality though. Especially with 980ti at 1440p. There’re tons of benchmarks showing no substantial difference between 6700k/7700k and 8700k (which 8086 essentially is) running 1080ti at 1080p, and everything becoming totally the same at 1440p. You’re facing a gpu bottleneck way earlier with 980ti.


No. Definitely reality. Average FPS isn’t much higher but the in the moment drops are better. Unless my FPS counter, frame time counter, and perception are lying to me. Don’t take my word for it though.

 
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