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Makes one wonder though... can nVidia do a new revision just like AMD is doing and end up with another huge boost as well?
This is the real 7970. It shows that the previous 7970 is just a half cooked product.
However, I believe this 7970 will take at least another 3 months to surface on the market. By that time, more information on the behemoth GK110 would be released, and NV could lower the price on GK104 chips.
Its not that inflammatory, its no different really than all the nay-sayers claiming the GK104 is a midrange chip that Nvidia labeled high end and the high end GK110 chips are still coming.
The quote from HARDOCP was valid but you have to remember it was also written before GK104 came to the market. I don't think anyone saw the 79xx series upon release and said it was a failure, it was and still is a great product, it just need to be updated to be competitive with Nvidia's current GK104 line-up.
The bottom line is that GK104 simply trumped AMD in every possible way this generation, in the past few years Nvidia always had a faster product but it came at the expense of more power draw and heat compared to AMD's more efficient chips, but this generation Nvidia completely one-upped AMD in every way which caught everyone off-guard, likely AMD as well.
Not forgetting compute performance, I just understand that's a VERY small market to cater to so Nvidia made the right choice here.
Not forgetting compute performance, I just understand that's a VERY small market to cater to so Nvidia made the right choice here.
If it was that important to Nvidia, it would have been their highest priority. It wasn't and I'm sure they know far more about their customers and profit margins than any of us.
Somehow this thread will turn into nvidia vs ATI, it always does.. Anyway, Of course its important to nvidia, the problem is that GK100 failed and GK110 isnt' ready, thats why they have tesla and quadro cards.
Somehow this thread will turn into nvidia vs ATI, it always does.. Anyway, Of course its important to nvidia, the problem is that GK100 failed and GK110 isnt' ready, thats why they have tesla and quadro cards.
why would you expect it not to? ATI and NV are competing companies, in fact the only 2 in the enthusiast video card market, it's only natural. What else is there to get excited about ?
why would you expect it not to? ATI and NV are competing companies, in fact the only 2 in the enthusiast video card market, it's only natural. What else is there to get excited about ?
You are making statements which are very inflammatory.
Obviously you did not read any of the news. AMD is going to launch the HD 7970 Ghz edition in early July.
I only speak the truth, I feel sorry if that was inflammatory. The previous 7970 was half cooked because of several reasons, [1] lower frequency, [2] higher voltage, [3] higher heat and noise, [4] unstable driver. If the new 7970 is full cooked, the previous 7970 was definitely half cooked. I don't think you would call the the new 7970 over cooked, would you?
I only speak the truth, I feel sorry if that was inflammatory. The previous 7970 was half cooked because of several reasons, [1] lower frequency, [2] higher voltage, [3] higher heat and noise, [4] unstable driver. If the new 7970 is full cooked, the previous 7970 was definitely half cooked. I don't think you would call the the new 7970 over cooked, would you?
[1] There are many 7970 unsold in channel, how much would the old 7970 sell for once the new 7970 come out? Considering they were selling at 550 ~ 600 a piece just 3 months ago, many retailers and distributors would take a loss. With current AMD's financial strength, it would be unlikely that AMD can compensate them in cash for their loss.
[2] From the hardware development cycle, a product needs to go through many phases to get to the market, the same for a refresh of an existing chip. The steps involves repeated design, testing, masks. For a chip refresh, it might be easier however, we are looking at around 2 months for this effort.
I only speak the truth, I feel sorry if that was inflammatory. The previous 7970 was half cooked because of several reasons, [1] lower frequency, [2] higher voltage, [3] higher heat and noise, [4] unstable driver. If the new 7970 is full cooked, the previous 7970 was definitely half cooked. I don't think you would call the the new 7970 over cooked, would you?
[1] There are many 7970 unsold in channel, how much would the old 7970 sell for once the new 7970 come out? Considering they were selling at 550 ~ 600 a piece just 3 months ago, many retailers and distributors would take a loss. With current AMD's financial strength, it would be unlikely that AMD can compensate them in cash for their loss.
[2] From the hardware development cycle, a product needs to go through many phases to get to the market, the same for a refresh of an existing chip. The steps involves repeated design, testing, masks. For a chip refresh, it might be easier however, we are looking at around 2 months for this effort. If rumors were right, AMD started this chip refresh since this May, so that points to a date in July that AMD would have the new 7970 chips ready. At the same time, the chips needs to produced in volume and distributed to graphic cards manufactures. Graphic cards would also needs to go through phases of modification and testing to ensure the actual graphic cards work. This effort can also be shortened due to it is a chip refresh, and most likely all interfaces remain the same. It would take more than 1 months for the graphic card manufactures to produce the new 7970 in volume and it would roughly take them 1 week to ship all graphic cards worldwide by air (small quantity) or 1 months by ship (large quantity). By calculating all the dates together, the new 7970 would roughly surface on the market by the end of the August or the beginning of September. Of course, AMD can paper launch the 7970 earlier in July once the chips are starting to be produced. However, the actual graphic cards won't be available until the end of this summer. You also mentioned it took Nvidia 6 months to refresh GTX 480. Assuming the starting date of this effort was as early as this March (doubtful), and considering AMD also needs 6 months to refresh 7970, it also leads the new 7970 actual release date to this September instead of July.
I just have a bad feeling for the existing 7970 owners, as they paid $600 for a half cooked product and their cards will soon worth less than $400 (maybe even $350) on the used market (bitcoin miners excluded). This is just my personal opinion and it is subjective, so hopefully you won't feel too bad as it is not the fact yet.
yanmeng I know you have only one agenda. and that is to praise Nvidia and badmouth AMD. so don't say you speak only truth.
#3 the 7970 had multiple voltages at launch, all 1.02->1.05->1.12->1.175, it's all about binning , and the 7970 ran cooler than the 680, but louder, so it's about the fan profile there.
Is it. When did that become small market all of a sudden. You are going to be surprised that the Nvidia professional products division makes close to USD 200 - 220 million a quarter. In HPC Nvidia Tesla and in workstations Nvidia Quadro are the top chips. With Nvidia's consumer graphics market size eroding with the advent of CPUs with on-die graphics Nvidia's future growth depends on Tesla, Quadro and Tegra. Geforce is a strong brand but in future on die CPUs with stacked DRAM are going to eat up the entry level graphics cards market upto USD 100.
Why is Nvidia so hard at work to create a 7 billion transistor chip with a heavy focus on compute. because they know thats the most profitable division at Nvidia. and they want to bring their best game to fight Intel MIC (many integrated cores) based Knights Ferry in the HPC space. So underplaying compute because GTX 680 is not good at it, is not a smart answer.
Why are you so butthurt about every comment that may not completely agree with you?
I just pointed out that Nvidia's dominance is even more complete in markets where compute performance matters. When the GTX 500 cards kicked the s**t out of the HD 6900 cards in compute performance everybody was all praise for the GTX 500 cards and now when the tables are turned wrt HD 7970 and GTX 680 compute performance does not matter. how convenient.
People praised the GTX 570 and 580 because they were faster in gaming than the 6950 and 6970, not because of compute performance. Now, Nvidia has given up some compute performance because it just wasn't a high priority on a gaming card. The 670 and 680 are praised now for their performance while still running cool and quiet and drawing less power.
I just pointed out that Nvidia's dominance is even more complete in markets where compute performance matters. When the GTX 500 cards kicked the s**t out of the HD 6900 cards in compute performance everybody was all praise for the GTX 500 cards and now when the tables are turned wrt HD 7970 and GTX 680 compute performance does not matter. how convenient.
To little too late,
drivers still suck donkey's balls.