New Bill Would Fine Robocallers Up to $10,000 per Call

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  1. Exavior

    Exavior [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Depends on the call. Some are just trying to sell you a service of some type and hope that you sign up from the robot asking you to. Others are expecting you to answer and say something that they can use to claim that you signed up for their automatically billed offering. This was a common thing many years ago, people would call saying they were doing a survey and needed to know what type of printer / fax machine you had. They would ask you early on if you had time for a survey and when you said yes they used to that change out the question to would you like us to start sending you toner to which you now said "yes" so as far as their recording shows. So they would send you toner at a cost of 3x the normal cost.

    Some are trying to sell "legit" services but from fake numbers that way you have no way to know who it is until you answer.

    You then have the scams. Your computer is broke / has a virus so they need $400 in iTune cards to fix it. Or they want you to give them your credit card number so that they can give you a reduced rate.

    The auto hangup might be their system not realizing that you answered or if calls multiple people at once and one of the other numbers answered before you did.
     
  2. wizzi01

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    I don't want to get fined. I mean those robocalls have spoofed my number to call others. How do I know? Those people have called my number saying I called them.
     
  3. Disco_Stu_04

    Disco_Stu_04 Limp Gawd

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    Another bill, eh.

    Robo-call me when this is law.
     
  4. Donald Bell

    Donald Bell Limp Gawd

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    I'm not saying that spoofing needs to be banned completely. There should be an application process proves that the spoofed phone number belongs to the same individual/business. Instead, you are given the ability to put any phone number you want without verification.
     
  5. NeghVar

    NeghVar 2[H]4U

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    Would this affect robocalls coming from overseas?
    How many of you get Justin from lower insurance rates with a different number every call?
     
  6. Satyrist

    Satyrist Gawd

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    They want to see if there's a "live" number for them to spam incessantly.

    Kind of the same principle as having a firewall set to "REJECT" packets....That simply tells a hacker/phisher that there's SOMETHING at the IP they were pinging/fingering. (which is why the smart thing to do is simply have them "DROPPED".)

    Wish there was a better system for doing that on phonelines than there is now.
     
  7. Biznatch

    Biznatch 2[H]4U

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    If only there was a similar framework to follow that is already implemented in other systems...... Like the one implemented for DNS allowing you to do a reverse check to see if it's valid or spoofed, then you can have logic on the client side to block if it fails the check.
     
  8. Todd Walter

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    Once upon a time you could use recording of the SIT tone to do this (I think this is how the Telezapper worked) but modern dialers can ignore them.
     
  9. Todd Walter

    Todd Walter Gawd

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    Sue, no. Send the cops, yes!

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/national-cra-india-rcmp-scam-1.4883796

    Sadly, it took forever for the government to get off their ass about this. The only reason they did is that people have taken to ignoring all calls from the CRA, which makes communication difficult for the legitimate agents.
     
  10. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Official Forum Curmudgeon

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    Let me guess. Excludes campaign ads from congress?
     
  11. lcpiper

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    Not the only way to find a robo-call spammer.
     
  12. Malatar

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    Actually that's built into Android now. Go to settings->Sounds and notifications->Do not Disturb->Allow Exceptions->Phone Calls and "Calls and messages from Contacts only"
     
  13. Ranulfo

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    Heh, and they sent in the mounties to pester the Indian cops only when their precious state revenue was challenged. Better than nothing I suppose.

    I find it amusing that the US federal government, namely Dept. of Health and Human Services can't even bother to use their insurance robot wench "Ann" with proper caller ID. She shows up as just "TOLL FREE" and a 1800 number. At least the number is legit when you call it.
     
  14. Exavior

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    none, that is the problem with any of these laws. Most calls come from other seas so they can't do anything about them.
     
  15. Biznatch

    Biznatch 2[H]4U

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    Can you elaborate? I no longer get calls from people, it's almost always a recording. If I hit 0 to try and get an operator, it drops the call. Even when I did get an actual person, if I attempted to get contact information/who they are calling on behalf of, they drop the call. I'm not even sure how these scams work, unless they only answer those questions if the person sounds dumb enough to fall for it.

    But without that info, who do you report to the FCC? I've realized it's too much effort to even try since I'm almost never successful. So any call I get from an unknown or obviously spoofed number I answer and immediately mute the call. I'm hoping they'll start flagging it as a dead line and remove me from their lists, but at least this stops my VM from filling. I'm really looking forward to the google assistant thing that you can forward the calls to and it will only forward back if it determines it's not spam. Hopefully that severely reduces the number of spam calls, since the DNC list is completely effing useless.... I've been on the list for almost 10 years now and get 2-5 spam calls a day.
     
  16. Kdawg

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    spoofed calls, not enough blacklist slots


    these politicians come up with the dumbest bills.

    do something about caller ID.
     
  17. tonyquart

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  18. TeeJayHoward

    TeeJayHoward Limpness Supreme

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    Google STIR/SHAKEN. (Basically verified Caller ID) It's something the telecos are actively working to implement. They don't want robocalls hogging their resources any more than you want to receive the calls. I believe Verizon's rollout starts next year.
     
  19. lcpiper

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    I apologize for being misleading. I wasn't talking about us normal people being able to find them, I was referring to law enforcement / government being able to find them.
     
  20. Boscoh

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    Cool, thanks!
     
  21. Exavior

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    this has been discussed for years but nothing yet will happen. Since many companies still have old switches they can't support these new feature so it is hard to get this kind of stuff pushed through.