New BD+ Blu-ray Copy Protection Cracked

Discussion in '[H]ard|OCP Front Page News' started by HardOCP News, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. HardOCP News

    HardOCP News [H] News

    Messages:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 1969
    The latest version of Blu-ray’s BD+ copy protection has been cracked already. Originally it was thought that cracking the new BD+ update was going to take months, it ended up only being a few weeks.

     
  2. brentsg

    brentsg [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,414
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2003
    And now our players can take another 30 seconds to load a disk when we see BD+++.
     
  3. dR.Jester

    dR.Jester 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,920
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    I bet FOX is pretty pissed off right about now. ;)
     
  4. figgie

    figgie [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    8,096
    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2002
    gee.. really?

    nothing surprising. When a company beats their chest that it is the bestest mostest uncrackable scheme in the entire universe, you will have people that are out to prove said chest beaters wrong. ;)
     
  5. mullet

    mullet [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,545
    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2004
    How many times have we seen this over the years? Over and over and over, when are they gonna learn to make movies and music at a good fair price and people will just buy instead of pirating. Yeah yeah I know there will always be people that pirate but once they move out of there moms basement thing will improve. LOL
     
  6. bfellow

    bfellow [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,082
    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2007
    I remember the BDA said it would take about 5-10 years to crack BD+ but it took less than a year to bypass it.
     
  7. figgie

    figgie [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    8,096
    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2002
    Forget pirating.

    Lets take that digital copy crap. It makes you make a copy yes, but read the very fine print. Expiration is 1 year after activation. That means it has built in DRM. Why can I not make a portable copy of the movie in question and not be expirable, kind of like the main movie itself?
     
  8. MrGuvernment

    MrGuvernment PM Kyle for the TItle You Pick.

    Messages:
    19,771
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2004
    whne will these tards learn! if it can be made it can be broke!

    sure this protection stops the average joe blow from making copies for friends so it is effective, just not much any more when companies like SlySoft make the software to copy the stuff.
     
  9. Lamont Cranston

    Lamont Cranston Gawd

    Messages:
    850
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    QFT exactly, i mean i understand what they are doing but its sad that when companies spend big money coming up with an uncrackable protection there are people out there that do nothing other than live to crack that - just take it off

    its sort of like all the gun control laws out there - the only thing they do is cause pain and trouble for people who actually get their guns legally
     
  10. AceGoober

    AceGoober Live! Laug[H]! Overclock!

    Messages:
    22,813
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2003
    Slysoft goes for the goal, they shoot, SCORE! :p
     
  11. bpmurrGT

    bpmurrGT [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,108
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2007
    Yet another reason why they should just drop DRM all together. Save the money used in developing or licensing it. At least get the paying customers back and let the pirates do their thing because they aren't stopping.
     
  12. Chombo

    Chombo 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,320
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Its the stupid stockholders throwing a fit that the companies aren't protecting their product. Even if the company knows its not going to work.
     
  13. choppedliver

    choppedliver Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    470
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005
    Why would I copy blu ray?

    Reasons not to copy blu ray ( for now )

    a) The copy is only worth a crap if i watch it on my computer because blank media is $40, more than the cost of the original movie

    b) I can resize the original... but its easier to just copy the DVD
     
  14. Flea77

    Flea77 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    141
    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2004
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817132051
    newegg, BD-R blank media, $2.99. Might want to keep up on current prices. Also, what about streaming to your TV, or output from a PC directly to the TV. Lots of options.

    Allan
     
  15. snowden

    snowden Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    189
    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006

    Funny, I'm surrounded by people at this very moment who are, no doubt, stockholders in several media companies. I've never heard any of us throw a fit that someone isn't protecting "our" product. Maybe when you grow up a little bit you'll be a stockholder too. I can't wait to see the fits you'll throw, but at least then you'll be a little bit closer to understanding how the world works, cause right now you don't get it.
     
  16. choppedliver

    choppedliver Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    470
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005
    Gee thanks Allan. Ill make sure I watch those prices.

    I was referring to dual layers, which some of my movies use,and considering I only buy bluray for the outstanding picture I wouldnt consider transcoding it to fit on a single layer disk.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817172040
    $34
     
  17. Parja

    Parja [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    12,675
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    The uncompressed audio tracks that take up a crapload of space. So unless you have an obscene home theater setup that can actually make use of that uncompressed audio track, rip just the main feature with one of the compressed audio tracks and you should be able to easily fit them on single layer discs.
     
  18. choppedliver

    choppedliver Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    470
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005
    I do have a home theatre than can take advantage of that uncompressed audio. Uncompressed audio and high bit rate Blu Ray BD-50 is an audio/video purists dream. Obscene is different things for different people. My theatre cost about 5000 bucks. I know people that spend that much on one speaker.

    Its a case of different things for different people. I like to backup my discs without the annoying previews and FBI warnings. I like EVERYTHIGN ELSE intact. Some people just want the movie. Some people dont care if they have compression artifacts. I recently found out that single layer copies of DVD's which were fine on my old TV look like ASS on my 60 inch Plasma.

    And there is a sh**load of movies on BD-50. When BD-50 media are $5 I would consider it, but till then Ill just pay my $17 bucks and get the whole shebang with a nice pretty box, and uncompressed audio, angles, extras, etc.

    To take a BD-50 and squish it onto a BD-50 is just defeating the main benefit of Blu-Ray. If you are going to do that just copy the DVD version onto a Dual layer disc and have a great copy. They are finally reasonably priced ( after all these years of being too expensive )
     
  19. Valset

    Valset [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,589
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2008
    I did realize they had gotten that cheap. 12cents per gigabyte is not bad. I am going to have to get a burner now. however the 50gb @ 68 cents per gigabyte is harder to swallow. your sure that you will not lose video quality shrinking it to 25gb?
     
  20. choppedliver

    choppedliver Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    470
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005
    Make that "squish it onto a BD-25"
     
  21. Flea77

    Flea77 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    141
    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2004
    As someone else pointed out, it is not the movie that usually breaks the 25GB barrier, it is multiple audio tracks and bonus features. If you rip the movie with no bonus features and one lossy audio track you should be able to easily fit it on one 25GB disc. Just like with DVDs you can put the movie and one audio track on a single layer 4.7GB DVD most of the time instead of the 9GB DL they usually come on.

    And BTW, 50GB DL discs for $27 at:
    http://www.meritline.com/tdk-4x-blu-ray-dual-layer-write-once-50gb.html

    Allan
     
  22. techie254

    techie254 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    198
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2008
    personally it makes no difference to me
    i convert all my 1080p backups to about 8gb in size for perfect quality/5.1 audio :)
     
  23. GoodBoy

    GoodBoy Gawd

    Messages:
    991
    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2004
    Cold weather causes shrinkage
     
  24. gaspah

    gaspah 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,376
    Joined:
    May 29, 2007
    lol... they really expected it to last.. thats sad... really sad...
     
  25. zero2dash

    zero2dash [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,112
    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2007
    Suddenly I'm reminded of the Trace Buster Buster Buster in the movie The Big Hit and also the fact that Windows Genuine Advantage was cracked before the XP street date.

    Someday, these companies will learn that resistance is futile.
     
  26. choppedliver

    choppedliver Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    470
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005
    Well thats definitely a better price. Still if I burn a $27 coaster, Im not a happy camper. Eventually they will be cheap enough. I haven't paid $27 for an original BluRay disc yet. Ok... I confess I bought Batman for $29 :)

    As I said before, my preference is non-lossy audio track such as PCM or Dolby True HD or DTS Master Audio, which is noticeably better on good equipment.
     
  27. choppedliver

    choppedliver Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    470
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005
    I doubt it
     
  28. Axiomatic

    Axiomatic Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    428
    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2004
    Speaking as a media company shareholder and a owner of every Slysoft product made. KEEP COPYING!

    9 out of 10 times you would be correct in the statement that a media pirate was never going to buy your product anyway.

    DRM eliminated "fair use" rights and is anti-consumer. I WANT CONSUMERS TO FEEL SAFE IN THEIR PURCHASES!

    Media companies need to stop wasting money on DRM and start using that money to go after REAL pirates who are actually selling copies for profit.

    Leave Ma and Pa Kettle alone!
     
  29. choppedliver

    choppedliver Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    470
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005

    I agree. I bought the entire slysoft suite and its one of the best purchases I ever made. An outstanding product with outstanding value and service.

    The movie and music industry could learn a lot from them.
     
  30. slamcmy

    slamcmy Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    241
    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2007
    lol......theres nothing in computers that cant be cracked, theres always a way around security.
    anyways how does slysoft keeps on bussines when they are selling products to crack dvd's, hd dvd, bluray and even audio cd's, are they on russia or north korea ?
     
  31. Chombo

    Chombo 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,320
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    I'll wait for you to finish your series 6, 63 and 7 licenses and then we can have a real discussion. :rolleyes:
     
  32. RGMBill

    RGMBill Gawd

    Messages:
    549
    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2005
    Antigua, if memory serves...

    I've used the basic stuff (CloneCD) since 1999; I even have an old copy on CD that I had shipped from Germany, back before it had to be transferred to SlySoft because of the retarded German government.

    I bought the entire suite (minus Game Jackal) years ago, and I swear by all three.... :D

    It's a shame that more folks aren't pushing hard to make folks who didn't know about SlySoft know that if they don't buy by tomorrow night, they'll end up not getting the free lifetime upgrades... I loves me my AnyDVD and CloneDVD2, but it would suck to have to get on the new yearly subscription thing they start on the 1st. I think that doesn't bode well for SlySoft in the long run (3+ years), but it'll give them a nice cash infusion in the short run. :(
     
  33. Parja

    Parja [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    12,675
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Well, you're not actually "shrinking" anything. You're just stripping out unnecessary content to get the video and an audio track of the main feature to fit on the disc unchanged.
     
  34. ir0nw0lf

    ir0nw0lf [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,058
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2003
    You forgot the $6.99 or so shipping for one, $9.62 for two, etc. Does jump the price up a bit, but if you buy 3-5+ the shipping isn't too bad.
     
  35. hamm3rhead

    hamm3rhead Gawd

    Messages:
    535
    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2004
    Slysoft rocks, clonedvdmobile is awesome I use it for phones/ipods/psp/digital picture frames it's excellent. I wish they would add support for BD, mostly for movies without a digital copy available but you still want to shrink it down to your dick tracy watch.
     
  36. anime4u

    anime4u [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,137
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    As long as there are encrypted software, pirates will come!
     
  37. BladeVenom

    BladeVenom [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    7,712
    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2005
    Sony will screw things up worse. They love DRM too much to let the customers win. Look at rootkits and out of spec DRM they added to CDs and DVDs that caused so many problems. Soon they'll add so much extra DRM to Blue-ray that new discs won't even be compatible with older players.
     
  38. nilepez

    nilepez [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,992
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    I don't see any point in copying it if you're putting it on a BDR. Hell, I don't see the point in doing that with DVD, unless you've got kids that destroy disks and/or for watching in a car.

    OTOH, putting everything on a HD makes some sense.

    Allan, did you look at the shipping on those? Buy 10 of them and pay almost $22.00 in shipping!

    But Egg's real price is over $5.00/disk.


    I get how the masses got hosed, but I don't see how many (any?) of us could have gotten hit.

    If you didn't autoplay CDs/programs, Sony couldn't install their software....alternatively if held down the shift key before you put in a CD, the software never ran. As a matter of best practice, I've never let anything automatically run when a CD/DVD is inserted.
     
  39. nilepez

    nilepez [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    10,992
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    Oops, almost forgot. Slysoft is changing their license form unlimited upgrades to an annual subscription after 12/31. Order now if you want to avoid extra fees (though maybe they'll lower the price for the annual fee version).

    Also they're offering 20% off until, at least, the end of the year.

    The downside for Americans is the prices are in Euros, but the discount probably cancels out most of the euro penalty.
     
  40. rob777

    rob777 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    289
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2008
    xD. Wow thats pretty amazing that they crack it that fast. Now they will just come out with a different protection which will again be cracked.