New 2nd gen Amazon Fire TV with 4k support and Alexa built in

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So it will stream Netflix 4K?

Maybe?

I wouldn't get anything 4K until after the disks are released and a popular media format is solidified.
 

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The UI will still be 1080p, but when it plays any videos. It will switch to 4k if your TV can support it. And if the content is 4k as well. Amazon and netflix included.
 

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The UI will still be 1080p, but when it plays any videos. It will switch to 4k if your TV can support it. And if the content is 4k as well. Amazon and netflix included.

and if your internet can handle it. Worst part about living in the boonies, finally got a UHD TV but can't stream anything in 4k to it because my internet is too slow.
 

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and if your internet can handle it. Worst part about living in the boonies, finally got a UHD TV but can't stream anything in 4k to it because my internet is too slow.

Why did you buy a UHD tv?


Broadcasting this is many years away and UHD discs will probably be 40 bucks a pop.
 

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These machines are DRM sticks. Just get a $150 HTPC with a tuner card and you'll have no problems.
 

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These machines are DRM sticks. Just get a $150 HTPC with a tuner card and you'll have no problems.

No thanks. And not really "DRM". Appletv might be a "DRM" stick. Amazon is more lax about what gets installed on their machine. But it has everything. Hulu, Netflix, Amazon prime. And you can install Kodi for your local content. And all controlled through a really well designed remote. Show me an htpc that can do all of that browsing with just a remote (no keyboard or mouse). I don't want huge peripherals in my living room.
 

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These machines are DRM sticks. Just get a $150 HTPC with a tuner card and you'll have no problems.

Who cares? They allow you to watch the content that you have rented or purchased which is exactly what they are supposed to do.

And with a HTPC you wont be seeing anything in 4K on it. The Netflix/Amazon apps don't stream 4K to a PC, there wont be 4K BD on it, and there isn't any cable content in 4K for a HTPC.
 

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Why did you buy a UHD tv?


Broadcasting this is many years away and UHD discs will probably be 40 bucks a pop.

Their is no reason to think that (outside of the initial offering). Content has been getting cheaper historically speaking for cutting edge media (starting from Laserdisc up to Bluray)..

2D Blurays are already at the sub $20 price point for new and popular titles. So maybe $25-$30 for 4K at first and down to $20 within 2-3 years.
 

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When BD came out discs were $35 - $45 a piece in the first year. Sure, they will eventually get cheaper when demand picks up but I seriously doubt the general public will adopt 4K BD. It just doesn't offer and sizable advantage over existing BD or streaming content. So it may stay a niche market forever and disc prices stay inflated over BD.
 

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When BD came out discs were $35 - $45 a piece in the first year. Sure, they will eventually get cheaper when demand picks up but I seriously doubt the general public will adopt 4K BD. It just doesn't offer and sizable advantage over existing BD or streaming content. So it may stay a niche market forever and disc prices stay inflated over BD.

4K isn't even out yet and HDR is already the new thing. Will there be separate HDR and non-HDR releases. Nobody knows.


Waste of money buying 4K anything right now, gotta let the format finalize first. You can't really see much difference at normal seating distances. I can't tell 1080 from 720 on my 55 in the living room it's such a big space.
 

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Who cares? They allow you to watch the content that you have rented or purchased which is exactly what they are supposed to do.

And with a HTPC you wont be seeing anything in 4K on it. The Netflix/Amazon apps don't stream 4K to a PC, there wont be 4K BD on it, and there isn't any cable content in 4K for a HTPC.

There's a ton of minimally-compressed 1080p stuff on the bay. And a small selection of 4K. Minimally compressed 1080p (blu-ray quality) is better than heavily-compressed trash, like what Netflix and Hulu pushes. Digital streaming stuff is garbage. Nobody should pay a cent to these DRM-pushers.
 

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Amazon Prime = Free Prime Video…. need I say more. Also for some like myself who has cut the cord. I use Prime video to get access to TV Shows on none broadcast networks and other content besides my 300+ Blu-ray collection. These sticks are perfect plus now with voice search will be fantastic…
 

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There's a ton of minimally-compressed 1080p stuff on the bay. And a small selection of 4K. Minimally compressed 1080p (blu-ray quality) is better than heavily-compressed trash, like what Netflix and Hulu pushes. Digital streaming stuff is garbage. Nobody should pay a cent to these DRM-pushers.

The studios are getting smarter. I am starting to see more content, mostly TV shows but some movies too, that just isn't available on physical media. I mean it was never sold on physical media. So iTunes, Amazon, etc is the only way to acquire it. And it's starting to agitate me.

There was this show, Rubicon, that was on Amazon Prime for a while. But then they removed it. Now you have to buy it from Amazon. It was never sold on physical media. Fuck that. Try finding Yo Gabba Gabba on DVD or Bluray, won't happen. But sure as shit you can you buy it all is SD or HD on iTunes and Amazon.
 

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I will say it's impressive that they found a way to legally remove second hand sales. That has been the dream of every producer of goods since the beginning of trade. And they finally found a way to do it.
 

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There was this show, Rubicon, that was on Amazon Prime for a while. But then they removed it. Now you have to buy it from Amazon. It was never sold on physical media. Fuck that.

Sorry about the OT. Man that show was getting good when they cancelled it. :( Mr Robot kind of reminds me of it and even has one of the actors from Rubicon in it.

Thought about getting an Amazon Fire since I have Amazon Prime. The streaming services got the HD version of The X-Files and there's no blu-rays on the horizon yet (though I'm expecting a surprise release since the new season is around the corner). They also got the HD version of The Wire before the blu-rays were released. Though both of those were cropped from 4:3 to 16:9 but that's another debate...
 

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Sorry about the OT. Man that show was getting good when they cancelled it. :( Mr Robot kind of reminds me of it and even has one of the actors from Rubicon in it.

Thought about getting an Amazon Fire since I have Amazon Prime. The streaming services got the HD version of The X-Files and there's no blu-rays on the horizon yet (though I'm expecting a surprise release since the new season is around the corner). They also got the HD version of The Wire before the blu-rays were released. Though both of those were cropped from 4:3 to 16:9 but that's another debate...

Who has had versions of the xfiles?


I'm only aware of a few episodes a European company produced. There were mastered in 480p, so it's not as simple as just stamping them on a disc. Don't hold your breath.
 

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Ok.. I have a Sharp 50" 4K with it's built in apps and it's own wifi.. one of the apps is Netflix and I had them to upgrade me to the 4K package which is $11.99 a month. so when I watch a show like BlackList or Breaking Bad is says 4K at the top and streams it just fine.


Fast forward > I buy the Roku 4 with 4K streaming for another 4K TV I have... will not work because TV doesn't support HDCP 2.2 on the HDMI 2.0.. So I hook it up to my Sharp which does support HDCP 2.2 and put the Roku in 4K and go to Netflix and no 4K (remember I have 4K account) just HD and VUDU say my wifi is not fast enough for 4K.

So bottom line is to buy a TV with 4K streaming built in and forget the streaming boxes with there HDCP 2.2 BS and slower wifi as my Sharp has no issues streaming 4K with it's built in wifi and hardware and no need of HDMI 2.0 useage.

The Roku 4 is going back to Wal-Mart.
 

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Got a Roku 4 Saturday and like it. The HDCP 2.2 thing is annoying as I have to plug it in direct to my LG OLED instead of through my Onkyo Integra that does 4K, but not HDCP 2.2. But real happy with it.
 

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Hope you don't have a monthly bandwidth cap, with the awful usage of the original Fire TV and sucking up tons of bandwidth with it predictive viewing crap (not the screen saver bug) i am going to try and mod my fire, otherwise sell it.

Is Roku supporting USB drives plugged into it , or UPNP other than Plex yet?

for any 4k worth watching i hope you got good bandwidth, otherwise it will be compressed to crap, with a low bitrate likley being closer to 1080p content...since true 4k needs almost 100Mb/s i recall reading on the specs..
 
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