NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

[DoubleTap]

I just got my SF 750 replaced from Corsair for my NCase, pretty fast shipping from DHL as the unit I got came from Amsterdam.

Did you get any kind of tracking info for the replacement? I opened my ticket 15 days ago and 4 days ago they said they were shipping one out but I have no way to know when it gets here.

 

[Chimpee]

Did you get any kind of tracking info for the replacement? I opened my ticket 15 days ago and 4 days ago they said they were shipping one out but I have no way to know when it gets here.

I received tracking info from Corsair Support Team via email and text messages from DHL.

 

[Octopuss]

Will the website ever work again?
https://www.sfflab.com/products/ncase_m1

 

[GnomeCop]

Will the website ever work again?
https://www.sfflab.com/products/ncase_m1

yeah the sfflab website is really weird, doesn't seem to be updated anymore.

I just go to https://ncases.com/ directly

 

[Engr62]

I have an unused set of black v6 panels here if anyone is interested in trading their silver panels. Found some silver panels.

 

[DoubleTap]

Added a MORA 3 to my Ncase M1 a few weeks ago. My first round of tubing was pretty rough:

I didn't really like how the tubing was so sloppy, it pulled the grommets out of the case and tented to push on the internal fittings.

It took some doing - I had to get a 2 slot bracket for my GPU (instead of a 3 slot) from EVGA

Then I got this PCIE pass through for the bottom slot and redid the internal tubing to connect to the PCIE slot:

Looks much better:

Also fixed this sloppy rad to res return loop that was just a mess of fittings and whatnot:

I added in a flow indicator and managed to not use tubing:

(yeah, I messed up and didn't move that return tube in the res - I'll drain and fix it tomorrow...

All in all, this cooling system is extremely quiet and powerful - I couldn't be happier:

These are just the OC results from the Asus AI OC module - I'm betting I can get the voltage down a little.

Gaming performance increase is dramatic.

8700K (delid, TG LM) @5.2Ghz
G.Skill 16GB 4000Mhz
RTX 2080Ti @2.1Ghz

Temps are high 30s, dipping into the low 40s

 

[Christyles]

Can someone provide the link of M1AF's test results in cooling this case? TIA!

Found it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...MEcm2IRLucP1oPXJWKt8cHpkw/edit#gid=1512767329

 

[smarenwolf]

Hey guys,
I'm planning a build in an NCASE M1 (old hardware, air-cooled, already exists; case and iceman pump/res are ordered), but to continue planning some details, I need two distances:

1. bottom of case to one-slot GPU (aka, waterblocked GPU) to see what radiators fit with what fans and how much of an air-gap is left there.
2. closed side-radiator mount to SFX-PSU to see what radiators fit with what fans and how much space for ATX24-PIN and tubing needs to be reserved.

I would appreciate some help here very, very much

 

[caycep]

I'm a bit out of date here...built an X99, I think Haswell era M1 w/ a Noctua C14, and also a blower style GPU. Works well in general.

I might think of upgrading once the 3080 comes out...but if I want to air cool anything (stock, no OC) and not deal with water coolers/radiators, then it's best to find a blower style GPU model? Or does the C14 handle the dual/triple fan open-air style reasonably well?

 

[AG1M]

View attachment 263722

Great build Love the Watercool Heatkiller blocks too, I will update my Ncase build soon too with that ALC PCI slot solution, currently I use this method with panel mount and cheap ALC QDCs but they are crappy so I will replace them:



I use the CPC NS6 series for quick disconnects, those CPC QDCs are huge, but high quality, no spill and have higher flowrate than the ALC QDCs:

 

[klm]

Will the fully perforated replacement side panels be available again, ever? I really want one for my V5, but I've never seen them available.

 

[Grendell]

he ho , lately i did rebuild my 2 ncase m1 cases with new parts , both of them have now a 2080ti and a gigabyte z490 itx with a 10900k , both work fine , for cooling the cpu i use a 240mm aio and the teps are realy good for gaming

latly the de shrouding of the gpu is realy popular so i tryed it on my gpu .......... the orginial fans arent that quit and ramp up to 3000rpm+ and also in low speed around 900rpm while idel they arent that quit , i personaly think the bearings hafe a problem

the gpu a nvidia 2080 ti , msi ventus oc , 2 noctua NF-A12x25 , adapter "GELID solutions PWM Fan Adaptor for vga Cooler Fan"
https://gelidsolutions.com/de/thermal-solutions/accessories-pwm-fan-adaptor/

this adaptor seems to work fine with the msi card , pwm works , while idle around 800/900rpm like the original fans , under load 2000rpm like the max fan speed of the noctua fans
for now the fans are pulling the hot air down the botom of the case , temps for now and with a quick test are around 73 degree C under load and 35 idle , room temp 24C

i think i will turn them around to push trough the fins because the fans are around 1cm away from the fins and i think with this it would be better to blow trough the fins , for now it works

i could remove some metal from the card to bring the fans a litle near the card for better temps but i like the option to install the stock fan again

removing the shroud is realy easy , 6 screws , 3 on each long side ,

the 2 fans are one unit with the shroud

after this the hight is exactly 2 slots more or less


dry fitting , its fits realy well with 2 120mm noctua below the card



added 2 mini 4pin to 4pin pwm adapters



with all this the card is quieter under load and idle , under load the 2000rpm are still better than the small 3000rpm+-

 

[evil_noodles]

So with the 3080 just announced, the only info I can find on physical size is that the card'll be L:285mm by W:112mm which is 15mm extra length. Think it'll fit with the stock air (foundation) or once a waterblock is announced (assuming an EKWB is of similar size)?

 

[Bijiont]

So with the 3080 just announced, the only info I can find on physical size is that the card'll be L:285mm by W:112mm which is 15mm extra length. Think it'll fit with the stock air (foundation) or once a waterblock is announced (assuming an EKWB is of similar size)?

I can't recall the site as I have been bouncing around (will update once I find it again) however they stated both 3080 and 3070 foundation cards will fit in stock configuration.

 

[oblongpolygon]

I believe there are several variations of the NCASE M1 that have been released.

I've got one in storage in Australia (bought a few years ago, just days before a huge change to my life / living arrangements sadly occurred, and so could never be used) and so I'm wondering: how will I determine which version of the case I've got?

Does it identify the version of the M1 on the box? The case itself is still in the box, sealed and everything.

Now that life is maybe returning to normal, I'm wondering if I could use it to house a three-slot card, or just sell it if not.

And what is the most recent version of the M1 released? Is it true to say that v6.1 is the most current?

 

[Skott]

V6 is the most recent.

 

[Epos7]

Does it identify the version of the M1 on the box? The case itself is still in the box, sealed and everything.

I believe it might be on the box. Mine also has a badge on the back of the case (v4).

 

[kill8r]

I believe it might be on the box. Mine also has a badge on the back of the case (v4).

Any chance the m1 can accomodate a 3090 in a fully wc setup?

 

[Bijiont]

I believe it might be on the box. Mine also has a badge on the back of the case (v4).

Yes it states on the side of the box as well "M1 v6.1" for the newest. I don't have my v4 or v5 boxes anymore so can't confirm those.

 

[MIDIBoss]

Hello all, I have an Ncase M1 V5. I love it. I believe I am experiencing PSU issues. I currently have Corsair SF600 watt PSU installed. 3 years old. I never had problems until I started gaming in 4K. Now I get random crashes to blank, blue, green, black screens which require a hard reset of the machine, or sometimes I get a screen full of white/purplish/green squares and complete power off of the entire machine. Kernel 41 in Event Viewer. The crashes only happen under load. I cannot complete a race in Assetto Corsa Competizione for example. I think it is PSU related.

My question: What is the most powerful PSU I can fit into my machine inside the Ncase M1? I don't really want to rebuild the whole thing or even RMA the GPU unless I am certain it is the card... Would rather just replace PSU first to see if it is the problem. I want to go overkill to the max, but I don't want any cables putting pressure on my GPU.

In case you need to know: 1080 ti GPU is installed. Asus ROG Strix z370-i. i7 8700K. 2x16gb G.Skill RAM. Noctua cooler with 2x fans on the CPU cooler and lots of case fans everywhere. It's an insane crowded build, but the temps are great. I delidded and added metallic thermal coolant to my CPU when I built it. The temps of the CPU and GPU are fine. I tried many software things, deleted and cleaned all display adapters and reinstalled Nvidia drivers without Geforce Experience, same deal... I suspect SPU or possibly GPU failure.

I want to try overkill PSU before I RMA the GPU. What should I get?

Thanks.

 

[rfarmer]

Hello all, I have an Ncase M1 V5. I love it. I believe I am experiencing PSU issues. I currently have Corsair SF600 watt PSU installed. 3 years old. I never had problems until I started gaming in 4K. Now I get random crashes to blank, blue, green, black screens which require a hard reset of the machine, or sometimes I get a screen full of white/purplish/green squares and complete power off of the entire machine. Kernel 41 in Event Viewer. The crashes only happen under load. I cannot complete a race in Assetto Corsa Competizione for example. I think it is PSU related.

My question: What is the most powerful PSU I can fit into my machine inside the Ncase M1? I don't really want to rebuild the whole thing or even RMA the GPU unless I am certain it is the card... Would rather just replace PSU first to see if it is the problem. I want to go overkill to the max, but I don't want any cables putting pressure on my GPU.

In case you need to know: 1080 ti GPU is installed. Asus ROG Strix z370-i. i7 8700K. 2x16gb G.Skill RAM. Noctua cooler with 2x fans on the CPU cooler and lots of case fans everywhere. It's an insane crowded build, but the temps are great. I delidded and added metallic thermal coolant to my CPU when I built it. The temps of the CPU and GPU are fine. I tried many software things, deleted and cleaned all display adapters and reinstalled Nvidia drivers without Geforce Experience, same deal... I suspect SPU or possibly GPU failure.

I want to try overkill PSU before I RMA the GPU. What should I get?

Thanks.

Corsiar SF750 Platinum, CoolerMaster does have a 850watt SFX PSU coming out but it hasn't been released yet.

 

[raz-0]

I believe there are several variations of the NCASE M1 that have been released.

I've got one in storage in Australia (bought a few years ago, just days before a huge change to my life / living arrangements sadly occurred, and so could never be used) and so I'm wondering: how will I determine which version of the case I've got?

Does it identify the version of the M1 on the box? The case itself is still in the box, sealed and everything.

Now that life is maybe returning to normal, I'm wondering if I could use it to house a three-slot card, or just sell it if not.

And what is the most recent version of the M1 released? Is it true to say that v6.1 is the most current?

Most recent version is 6.1, I have one on the way in theory. The version is on the plug opening cover provided to cover whichever of the two openings you don't use. Not sure if that goes back to all of them, but from gallery browsing, it goes to at least v2.0 if I'm deciphering the blurry text right.

 

[jeremyshaw]

Corsiar SF750 Platinum, CoolerMaster does have a 850watt SFX PSU coming out but it hasn't been released yet.

Just to add more:
SFX:
Silverstone SX700PT (Titanium 700W)
Silverstone SX650-G (Gold 650W)
Silverstone SX700-G (Gold 700W)
Seasonic SSR-650SGX (Gold 650W)

SFX-L (I don't know if these can actually fit):
Silverstone SX800-LTI (Titanium 800W)
Silverstone SX700-LPT (Platinum 700W)

 

[Skott]

Hello all, I have an Ncase M1 V5. I love it. I believe I am experiencing PSU issues. I currently have Corsair SF600 watt PSU installed. 3 years old. I never had problems until I started gaming in 4K. Now I get random crashes to blank, blue, green, black screens which require a hard reset of the machine, or sometimes I get a screen full of white/purplish/green squares and complete power off of the entire machine. Kernel 41 in Event Viewer. The crashes only happen under load. I cannot complete a race in Assetto Corsa Competizione for example. I think it is PSU related.

My question: What is the most powerful PSU I can fit into my machine inside the Ncase M1? I don't really want to rebuild the whole thing or even RMA the GPU unless I am certain it is the card... Would rather just replace PSU first to see if it is the problem. I want to go overkill to the max, but I don't want any cables putting pressure on my GPU.

In case you need to know: 1080 ti GPU is installed. Asus ROG Strix z370-i. i7 8700K. 2x16gb G.Skill RAM. Noctua cooler with 2x fans on the CPU cooler and lots of case fans everywhere. It's an insane crowded build, but the temps are great. I delidded and added metallic thermal coolant to my CPU when I built it. The temps of the CPU and GPU are fine. I tried many software things, deleted and cleaned all display adapters and reinstalled Nvidia drivers without Geforce Experience, same deal... I suspect SPU or possibly GPU failure.

I want to try overkill PSU before I RMA the GPU. What should I get?

Thanks.

Didn't someone shoe horn a 1000w psu into one of the early models? I seem to remember somebody doing that in this thread back in the day. I want to say it was in the V1 model. Its been a while.

 

[MIDIBoss]

Just to add more:
SFX:
Silverstone SX700PT (Titanium 700W)
Silverstone SX650-G (Gold 650W)
Silverstone SX700-G (Gold 700W)
Seasonic SSR-650SGX (Gold 650W)

SFX-L (I don't know if these can actually fit):
Silverstone SX800-LTI (Titanium 800W)
Silverstone SX700-LPT (Platinum 700W)

Thank you!

 

[MIDIBoss]

Corsiar SF750 Platinum, CoolerMaster does have a 850watt SFX PSU coming out but it hasn't been released yet.

Thank you for the help! That’s the one I was looking at. Appears out of stock at
the moment but I will setup a notification. Good to know about the Coolermaster 850 Sfx. I’ll keep a watch out for it.

 

[harsaphes]

Just did a De-shroud and re paste of my gpu. Added two exhaust fans underneath and my temps have never been better.

 

[Bullz]

Hello, ( i am from austria )

after i abandoned my plan with the Dan SFX i will realize my pc with a ncase.
Ncase M1 with AMD 4700X and 3700 Nvidia ~1600 Euro

Goal: Best of price, performance and volume what is possible

What I have searched for is not fixed but as an orientation:

Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB, M.2 (MZ-V7E1T0BW) 135 euro
Crucial Ballistix black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-36 (BL2K16G32C16U4B) 139,50
Corsair SF Series SF600 80 PLUS Platinum 600W SFX12V (CP-9020182-EU) 117 Euro
CPU should be 65 Watt class
GPU 210 Watt class

I paid a little attention to this guide which already shows a lot.

http://imgur.com/a/kybBtjQ

Kühler there are 3 opinions. AIO or U9S ( compatibility ) or C14S ( performance needs v6 or v6.1 )

I am grateful for every tip and will put some pictures in the forum.

 

[harsaphes]

Hello, ( i am from austria )

after i abandoned my plan with the Dan SFX i will realize my pc with a ncase.
Ncase M1 with AMD 4700X and 3700 Nvidia ~1600 Euro

Goal: Best of price, performance and volume what is possible

What I have searched for is not fixed but as an orientation:

Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB, M.2 (MZ-V7E1T0BW) 135 euro
Crucial Ballistix black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-36 (BL2K16G32C16U4B) 139,50
Corsair SF Series SF600 80 PLUS Platinum 600W SFX12V (CP-9020182-EU) 117 Euro
CPU should be 65 Watt class
GPU 210 Watt class

I paid a little attention to this guide which already shows a lot.

http://imgur.com/a/kybBtjQ

Kühler there are 3 opinions. AIO or U9S ( compatibility ) or C14S ( performance needs v6 or v6.1 )

I am grateful for every tip and will put some pictures in the forum.

Also check out Optimum Tech https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRYOj4DmyxhBVrdvbsUwmAA
This guy is probably the best source for building in the Ncase. He has multiple builds and ideas and is a very clean builder.
Great stuff.

 

[Bullz]

Now I have my 2 te compilation. I am from Austria

My power consumption never exceeds 90 watts with the CPU
5 fans. 2 bottom, 2 side 1 rear.
AMD new gen
nvidia new gen

Mainboard so far no real recommendation for the board read.
Ram surcharge on 3600 Mhz relatively salted. Really necessary for sweet spot ?
Noctua NH-C14S and Corsair SF Series SF600 fixed. No AIO no water cooling

I would like to build my case like on this page even though I will never be able to put it together like this :/

http://imgur.com/a/kybBtjQ

https://geizhals.at/?cat=WL-1681706

1 Kingston A2000 NVMe PCIe SSD 1TB, M.2 (SA2000M8/1000G)
1 AMD Ryzen 7 4700X
1 Crucial Ballistix black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-3600, CL16-18-38 (BL2K16G36C16U4B)
or
1 Crucial Ballistix black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-36 (BL2K16G32C16U4B)
1 EVGA GeForce RTX 3070
1 MSI MPG B550I Gaming Edge WIFI (7C92-002R)
3 Noctua NA-SEC1, 30cm
3 Noctua NA-SYC1, 11.5cm
3 Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM, 120mm
2 Noctua NF-A12x15 PWM, 120mm
1 Noctua NF-A9 PWM, 92mm
1 Noctua NH-C14S
1 Ncase M1 silver, Mini-ITX, V5 (M1V5S20000)
1 Corsair SF Series SF600 80 PLUS Platinum 600W SFX12V (CP-9020182-EU)

 

[Bullz]

changed the Ram to because it was said that 3600 mhz was a sweet spot at that time.
https://geizhals.eu/g-skill-aegis-d....loc=de&hloc=uk

 

[Urelure]

Hello all, I have an Ncase M1 V5. I love it. I believe I am experiencing PSU issues. I currently have Corsair SF600 watt PSU installed. 3 years old. I never had problems until I started gaming in 4K. Now I get random crashes to blank, blue, green, black screens which require a hard reset of the machine, or sometimes I get a screen full of white/purplish/green squares and complete power off of the entire machine. Kernel 41 in Event Viewer. The crashes only happen under load. I cannot complete a race in Assetto Corsa Competizione for example. I think it is PSU related.

My question: What is the most powerful PSU I can fit into my machine inside the Ncase M1? I don't really want to rebuild the whole thing or even RMA the GPU unless I am certain it is the card... Would rather just replace PSU first to see if it is the problem. I want to go overkill to the max, but I don't want any cables putting pressure on my GPU.

In case you need to know: 1080 ti GPU is installed. Asus ROG Strix z370-i. i7 8700K. 2x16gb G.Skill RAM. Noctua cooler with 2x fans on the CPU cooler and lots of case fans everywhere. It's an insane crowded build, but the temps are great. I delidded and added metallic thermal coolant to my CPU when I built it. The temps of the CPU and GPU are fine. I tried many software things, deleted and cleaned all display adapters and reinstalled Nvidia drivers without Geforce Experience, same deal... I suspect SPU or possibly GPU failure.

I want to try overkill PSU before I RMA the GPU. What should I get?

Thanks.

Have you overclocked anything? Based on your hardware running on stock (excluding cooling solutions and assuming 2x SSDs, no HDDs) you should pull roughly 400W of power. This means that if this is the PSU, it might be faulty rather than too small.

You could always look for a friend with a non SFF system and a bigger PSU. Ask to borrow it for a few hours and just connect it outside of the case. Even if you can get hold of ANY PSU at 500W or higher to test with, it can provide you with useful information. I recently had a Silverstone SFX PSU fail on me, and had an old Corasir 850W full ATX PSU in a box in the attic from my pre-sff days. I unplugged all the Silverstone PSU cables and connected the Corsair one wihout removing anything (other than my C14 cooler which block access to the entire MB). This helped me diagnose the PSU as the culprit.

In my case, i ended up just installing the ATX PSU, because i have a short 970 card installed but this is a highly temporary fix as I am long overdue an upgrade.

 

[harsaphes]

I can't recall the site as I have been bouncing around (will update once I find it again) however they stated both 3080 and 3070 foundation cards will fit in stock configuration.

Most sites I've recently read say that the card is not going to be good in SFF cases because of the exhaust fan blowing the air right onto the power supply.

 

[GnomeCop]

Most sites I've recently read say that the card is not going to be good in SFF cases because of the exhaust fan blowing the air right onto the power supply.

Yeah I cannot see FE cards working well in the Sandwich style SFF cases at all, except for maybe the Sidearm T1.
In something like an NCASE M1 however it may work really well since the PSU fan can be facing the side panel which allows the PSU to draw in outside air and wouldnt be affected by any turbulence from the video card.
Based on the reviews so far though, seems like the flow through air of the 3080FE doesn't "heat up" the air around the CPU area that much at all though.

 

[Urelure]

Yeah I cannot see FE cards working well in the Sandwich style SFF cases at all, except for maybe the Sidearm T1.
In something like an NCASE M1 however it may work really well since the PSU fan can be facing the side panel which allows the PSU to draw in outside air and wouldnt be affected by any turbulence from the video card.
Based on the reviews so far though, seems like the flow through air of the 3080FE doesn't "heat up" the air around the CPU area that much at all though.

The thing is, when it heats up, it's because warm air gets trapped and heats up over time. The fact that the air pass through the cards should really help in air flowing instead of getting trapped. This is a huge issue with small cases like the M1 where the graphics card basically split the case in half. It's going to be interesting to see once these cards hit the market and we get real world feedback, but this seems like a very good idea.

 

[Topsu]

Anyone have info on any non FE RTX 3080 fitting ncase m1?

 

[Skott]

Anyone have info on any non FE RTX 3080 fitting ncase m1?

Its too soon. People haven't gotten them yet. Once retail gets supplies up then you will see info.

 

[harsaphes]

There's a guy on Reddit that has a 3080 setup in the M1.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comm.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

[QuantumBraced]

Yeah I think the FE would work great in the M1 because you'll basically have push-pull on the pass-thru portion of the heatsink with the bottom case fan feeding air and the GPU fan exhausting it straight up and out of the case.

I'm really curious to see if the Accelero 3 will fit on the EVGA 3080 XC3 cards with the mid-plate attached. The mounting hole spacing appears to be the same as the 1080 Ti, so the mounting should work, but will the cooler work with the mid-pate and clear all capacitors...

Also would like to see if the Accelero 3 will fit on the reference PCB.

 

[harsaphes]