NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

M1AF said:
I generally tend to call the rear interior pull and the right fan as pull too. I like to call the 120 push because I do not pull out.


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But srsly tho it's push.
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LOL.. completly acknowledge if I am wrong here.. But I still see it as pull.. Its is Pulling the hot air out of the case.

We call it push when we are behind the heat. IE if we are behind a rad/cooler fx.. And pull if we are in front of the heat.

Here the heat is in side the case, and the fan is the last thing that it makes contact with before leaving the case. An exhaust with nothing in front of it, will always be pull. If there would to be a rad in between the case and the fan it would of cause be push, as it has to push the air into the rad. Here there are no direct heat to air exchange, it is only pulling the air out of the case.

That is how I see it. Anyways.. It is of cause only semantics.
 
SmootyPoody said:
LOL.. completly acknowledge if I am wrong here.. But I still see it as pull.. Its is Pulling the hot air out of the case.

We call it push when we are behind the heat. IE if we are behind a rad/cooler fx.. And pull if we are in front of the heat.

Here the heat is in side the case, and the fan is the last thing that it makes contact with before leaving the case. An exhaust with nothing in front of it, will always be pull. If there would to be a rad in between the case and the fan it would of cause be push, as it has to push the air into the rad. Here there are no direct heat to air exchange, it is only pulling the air out of the case.

That is how I see it. Anyways.. It is of cause only semantics.
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If the fan sticker is visible then it's pull.
If the fan sticker is covered then it's push.
 
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M1AF said:
If the fan sticker is visible then it's pull.
If the fan sticker is covered then it's push.
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I can see how push and pull relate to airflow through a radiator or heatsink, but for airflow in and out of a case I prefer to use intake and exhaust.
 
Qrash said:
I can see how push and pull relate to airflow through a radiator or heatsink, but for airflow in and out of a case I prefer to use intake and exhaust.
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Yeah, this is the terminology that I use and prefer. Push and pull are only really relevant for radiators and heatsinks imho.
 
M1AF said:
If the fan sticker is visible then it's pull.
If the fan sticker is covered then it's push.
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That is a weird way to look at it:LOL:.. From where do you even look then? (top?, left side?, inside? outside?) o_O . But with that in mind it is definitely pull as you can see the fan sticker from the outside where one would look from.

Bawjaws said:
Yeah, this is the terminology that I use and prefer. Push and pull are only really relevant for radiators and heatsinks imho.
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I agree 100%.

I was just commenting on the fact that pull/push terminology was being used.
 
Any word on bracket replacement orders and new sets of screws??? Really want to order these
 
Email SFFLAB and ask. Fwiw though, I don't recall replacement screw sets ever being available for the M1, whether though NCase directly or latterly through SFFLAB.
 
Bawjaws said:
Email SFFLAB and ask. Fwiw though, I don't recall replacement screw sets ever being available for the M1, whether though NCase directly or latterly through SFFLAB.
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Maybe I'm wrong on that one but I swear I remember it. Still good advice I'm just so used to the ncase starting here that I still refer questions this way
 
Bawjaws said:
Email SFFLAB and ask. Fwiw though, I don't recall replacement screw sets ever being available for the M1, whether though NCase directly or latterly through SFFLAB.
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It was labeled accessory kit on sfflab.

I am sitting 9n a v1 that I need the accessory kit for and new panels.

Guess I may have to buy the new version.
 
Is there any way to buy spare panel sets? The sfflabs accessory page for the M1 does not offer them. I remember the old NCASE site sold them.
 
Mannymal said:
Is there any way to buy spare panel sets? The sfflabs accessory page for the M1 does not offer them. I remember the old NCASE site sold them.
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As I posted above, it looks as if SFFLAB are out of stock of panel kits and don't plan to restock them. There's apparently a new version of the M1 coming this year (v6) but it won't maintain compatibility with previous versions when it comes to panels, so it looks like second-hand is going to be your only option for panel kits for v5 and earlier.
 
Bawjaws said:
As I posted above, it looks as if SFFLAB are out of stock of panel kits and don't plan to restock them. There's apparently a new version of the M1 coming this year (v6) but it won't maintain compatibility with previous versions when it comes to panels, so it looks like second-hand is going to be your only option for panel kits for v5 and earlier.
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Sorry I should have read the whole page.

I guess if the V6 is a decent upgrade I'll be getting that plus its corresponding replacement panels.
 
I currently have a C14 + an intake fan on the side bracket and an Accelero III with fans set as exhaust and a 92 mm as exhaust. Now I am switching to a 2080 ti XC Ultra which can fit some slim fans underneath Assuming I have these fans as intakes on the bottom should I switch any of my other fans to exhaust? If I don't i'll only have a 92mm + the normal thermal heat rise for exhaust
 
Has anyone fitted an EVGA 1660Ti XC into an M1? It's apparently "2.75" slots thick, but they don't publish the exact measurement on their website. It's quite a short card, but I'm not entirely sure if it's going to fit due to the thickness. Any ideas?
 
Whats the best cooling setup with a hybrid GPU and a Noctua U9S?

I don't wanna intake from the rear as that would dump hot CPU air into the GPU radiator, let alone dumping hot radiator air into the CPU. So I'm thinking having both the U9S and the GPU radiator exhausting (rear and side exhausts) and having two 120mm fans in the bottom to try and maintain positive air pressure. Has anyone tried it? I'm afraid that the CPU and GPU radiator will be fighting for not enough air around them.
 
Mannymal said:
Whats the best cooling setup with a hybrid GPU and a Noctua U9S?

I don't wanna intake from the rear as that would dump hot CPU air into the GPU radiator, let alone dumping hot radiator air into the CPU. So I'm thinking having both the U9S and the GPU radiator exhausting (rear and side exhausts) and having two 120mm fans in the bottom to try and maintain positive air pressure. Has anyone tried it? I'm afraid that the CPU and GPU radiator will be fighting for not enough air around them.
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Your idea is worth a try! However, I would probably have rear intake for the U9S, and gpu radiator as exhaust. Bottom fans intake. Hybrid cards usually runs so cool that even the warm air from the CPU won’t affect boost. I recommend testing yours and mine!
 
Mannymal said:
Whats the best cooling setup with a hybrid GPU and a Noctua U9S?

I don't wanna intake from the rear as that would dump hot CPU air into the GPU radiator, let alone dumping hot radiator air into the CPU. So I'm thinking having both the U9S and the GPU radiator exhausting (rear and side exhausts) and having two 120mm fans in the bottom to try and maintain positive air pressure. Has anyone tried it? I'm afraid that the CPU and GPU radiator will be fighting for not enough air around them.
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For the CPU you can intake from side panel and exhaust on the back. I did this and even use a duct from heatsink to the back so no leak of hot air.
 
Nanook said:
Your idea is worth a try! However, I would probably have rear intake for the U9S, and gpu radiator as exhaust. Bottom fans intake. Hybrid cards usually runs so cool that even the warm air from the CPU won’t affect boost. I recommend testing yours and mine!
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I receive the EVGA hybrid kit tomorrow
and will install it on my 2080 Ti and test. Was hoping someone had already done it so I didn’t have to disassemble if it doesn’t work well. I’ll test with both as exhaust first, and hopefully they are far enough apart that they can get enough fresh air from the top panel ventilation.


Rhialto said:
For the CPU you can intake from side panel and exhaust on the back. I did this and even use a duct from heatsink to the back so no leak of hot air.
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Can you elaborate? You mean repositioning the U9S 90° so that it exhausts into the motherboard, and then exhausting that air out the rear?
 
Mannymal said:
Can you elaborate? You mean repositioning the U9S 90° so that it exhausts into the motherboard, and then exhausting that air out the rear?
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He means (I assume) that you have the U9S orientated horizontally, so that air is flowing from front to back. Cold air is drawn in from the fan on the side panel, pushed over the heatsink by a fan on the right hand side (i.e. the side closest to the front of the case) of the U9S and then exhausted out of the back of the case by a second 92mm fan.

Basically, like this:
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Rhialto mentions placing a duct between the LHS of the heatsink and the fan on the rear panel, so that hot air is more effectively drawn out of the case (i.e. as much as possible of the air that flows across the heatsink exits the case, rather than recirculating inside).

Quick edit: oops, missed that you were using an AIO for the GPU. In that case, the AIO goes where the 120mm fan is on the side panel, with the fan still as an intake. Airflow is the same as above.
 
Bawjaws said:
He means (I assume) that you have the U9S orientated horizontally, so that air is flowing from front to back. Cold air is drawn in from the fan on the side panel, pushed over the heatsink by a fan on the right hand side (i.e. the side closest to the front of the case) of the U9S and then exhausted out of the back of the case by a second 92mm fan.

Basically, like this:
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Rhialto mentions placing a duct between the LHS of the heatsink and the fan on the rear panel, so that hot air is more effectively drawn out of the case (i.e. as much as possible of the air that flows across the heatsink exits the case, rather than recirculating inside).

Quick edit: oops, missed that you were using an AIO for the GPU. In that case, the AIO goes where the 120mm fan is on the side panel, with the fan still as an intake. Airflow is the same as above.
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That picture is exactly how I have it set right now. However, when I install the hybrid GPU cooler, the radiator will be where the side fan is, and the radiator's air will be exhausted. My fear is that the radiator's fan and the CPU's fan will be fighting for air.
 
Mannymal said:
I receive the EVGA hybrid kit tomorrow
and will install it on my 2080 Ti and test. Was hoping someone had already done it so I didn’t have to disassemble if it doesn’t work well. I’ll test with both as exhaust first, and hopefully they are far enough apart that they can get enough fresh air from the top panel ventilation.
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I have tried what you’re describing back in 2016. I find rear and bottom intake, with side exhaust worked the best.

I just want to encourage you try things out, as you might have different findings:

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Okay, so I am rebuilt!

BUT, I am worried about gpu temps the power temp and memory temp are upto 76c, granted the gpu temp, atleast from what I have seen is capping at 64.
This is with the accelero 3, noctua a12s, and for the paste I did grizzly kryonaut. is 76c something to worry about? If i do max my fans out it does drop the memory temp to about 66 and power to about 66. The gpu temps is now at 59, now 58 in monster hunter world with aut detected high settings.
This cooler, as far as the gpu temp itself is a beast. I am also surprised at how loud the noctuars are at full blast, it isn't all that bad.
 
darrpara said:
To clarify: You think I should be running intakes for bottom fans, my 92mm rear fan as intake and my c14 fans + the side fan next to it as exhaust?
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Yes, I believe that's the only way, since the bottom slim fans must be set to intake to play nice with your stock GPU intake fans. Both side fans will be exhaust, while the rear 92mm fan will supplement cool air for the C14. The CPU will run slightly hotter, but will stay cooler in the long run.

I've also tried setting all 120mm fans as intake, and only the rear 92mm fan as exhaust, but the 92mm fan just couldn't keep up with expelling hot air. Your CPU will run cooler in the short term, but in the overall internal temperature will keep rising, and the CPU will be hotter than the other option.
 
Aight need y'all opinions. Thinking of using an 9900k with NH-D9L cooler. I know its not ideal since 9900k gets HOT. But how would it fair if I undervolt it at stock settings. I like the aesthetics of D9L.
 
enyownz said:
Aight need y'all opinions. Thinking of using an 9900k with NH-D9L cooler. I know its not ideal since 9900k gets HOT. But how would it fair if I undervolt it at stock settings. I like the aesthetics of D9L.
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It will work. Especially if you undervolt and set a power limit.
The D9L can go up to 195w, according on this chart: https://noctua.at/en/cpu/Intel_Core_i9-9900K
 
Hi all, I know these feet have been recommended before....

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Bre...lgo_pvid=67b228f7-4391-4591-b14d-344cb8ded60f

However having installed an AMD 2600x I found my system was getting a little more toasty than usual when playing BFV and needed to raise my case (its worked a knocked about 5 degrees off, mine exhausts out the base of the case). The screws which come with the feet are not ideal for the case and I struggled to install two (one on top of the other) to get the height I needed, A simple fix I found was to use a 10mm rubber grommet (the black one pictured) with the screws and bolts the feet already come with. The grommet, when fixed to the top of the new feet fits perfectly in the feet which are already supplied with the case and sit quite snug. Doesn't look to bad either. Ive posted some pictures as the obviously paint a thousand words

Only posted as it was an easy, relatively cheap fix which works quite well. Hope it helps someone.
 

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SmootyPoody said:
@195W those fans are gonna be screaming and the system will be very close to TJ Max. I do not understand how that little cooler and those 92mm fans are rated for the same performance as a C14 with a 140mm fan.
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Yes, at 195w, ANY cpu cooler that fits in the M1 will be at maximum rpm. Water or air.
The Noctua fans are hardly screamers, IMHO.
Why mention the C14 when it’s no longer available, and the question was focused on aesthetics of the D9L?
 
D9L is small enough that something like a Prolimatech Ultra Sleek Vortex will fit above it as an intake should you choose to do so. I imagine newer 15mm thick fans that subsequently came out should also be ok. I used the Prolimatech setup for awhile. That's it's only real advantage over the U9S.
 
Hi, I am newly a proud owner of a NCase M1 and need your knowledge.
Is there a possibility to change the front USB cable to a more flexible one? Or how did you solve it?
I will have a RTX 2080 FE in the case. What is the best cooling solution for it? In blowing 120x25mm Fans?
Thanks for your help.
 
Maybe I missed it in the thread but SFFlab announced a front panel with USB-C is coming later this year.

I've been waiting for them to release a case with USB-C front panel but now the grey vented panel version is sold out. Just my luck. haha
 
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I'll be honest, I've never really got the fuss about USB-C front panel connectivity. There's only one or two boards that actually support 3.1 Gen 2 front panel connections, so what's the benefit of having a USB-C port on the front of the case if functionally it's identical to the existing Type A port (And you can just use an A to C cable)?

Obviously I must be missing something here, because it seems lots of people want Type C ports on their NCases!
 
I'm probably in the minority on this, but I'd prefer no I/O. I just want the power button hole. Looks cleaner with custom switches.
 
I actually don't use the front USB or audio very often at all, but they are handy to have from time to time. I tend to use a USB hub and plug my headphones into the socket on my desktop speakers.

Edit: actually, I wonder how easy it would be to disconnect the USB grade from the front panel. That would save having to endure the unwieldy internal USB cable, which is a real pest.
 
Well I'm probably in the super minority on this, but I don't care for a power button, however, I do want front audio and USB. I press my power button maybe once every 6 months, you simply don't need it anymore as it's all handled thru software nowadays. Even for powering on from a complete shutdown (which I only do when cleaning the PC), lots of motherboards have the option of using the keyboard. So the power button may as well be on the back, ideally integrated into the rear I/O if more motherboards start doing that.

But front audio I use because it's much more natural for the headphone cable to come straight out of the front of the PC and the M1 is perfect for that. I also wouldn't buy a case with the audio ports on top facing up as those are incredibly awkward unless you're some animal who puts their computer on the floor. Using the rear is also very awkward, plus my mobo has a built-in amp that only works with front audio. I guess if you use an external DAC then that's all you need, but otherwise plugging headphones in the rear every time, even for SFF, is definitely not ideal, and you can damage the connector and cable (and even the PC) much more easily that way if you yank it out while rocking out to AC/DC.

And front USB comes in handy from time to time, though that heavily depends on usage, some people need that daily, some people only need it when installing their OS, and you have a lot more options there with peripherals and dongles. So, in terms of importance, I rank front I/O:

1) Audio (unless you use a DAC)
2) USB
3) Power button

I gotta say, amount and positioning of I/O was a major reason why I chose the M1, nearly every other case gets that wrong. It is positioned perfectly on the case and even within the panel, the fact that the audio ports and the USB ports are next to each other is not something you can take for granted these days. So many I/O panels have the 2 audio ports on oppose sides of the I/O row, which is just stupid. Such a simple thing, yet case manufacturers suck at it.
 
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