NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by wahaha360, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. M1AF

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    Don't beat yourself up.

    Why weren't you interested in the window? Didn't meet your design goals or what?
     
  2. Necere

    Necere 2[H]4U

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    I designed the M1's cooling/airflow around the (filtered) side intake, plus the flexibility the fan bracket offers in terms of drive/rad mounting etc. That's a key aspect of the design, and the window completely defeats it. It's form over function, and wasn't in keeping with the original concept.
     
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    By the way, on the topic of the ATX bracket, I'm planning on eliminating it for v6. People seldom use it, and even when they do it's to mount an SFX PSU at the front. To make up for it, I'm redesigning the SFX bracket to mount either at the current location on the right side, or at the front. Unfortunately, to enable this change the redesigned bracket won't be backward compatible with older versions of the M1.
     
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    It's fine, frankly if you're going the ATX route, it's very unlikely you'd want to get a window. But it would be nice to note that lack of compatibility on the SFFLab page.

    Hm I disagree with this. There are lots of ATX builds out there, especially silence-focused ones. Moreover, ATX compatibility is a great feature for those who want to defray some of the M1's cost by reusing their ATX PSUs. I have an HX1000i in my M1 currently :D

    And I don't really get the point of mounting an SFX PSU in the front other than using a C14S cooler with a fan mounted under the cooler -- and for that niche, there's a solution with an SFX-ATX bracket. So sacrificing ATX compatibility for something no one is asking for seems odd. But I got my V5, so I am good. :)
     
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    Are there though? I think I can probably count on two hands the number of ATX builds I've seen, compared to hundreds using SFX. Considering the substantial tradeoff in GPU support to use an ATX PSU, that's not really much of a surprise.

    Keep in mind six years ago there was really only one SFX PSU on the market worth talking about - the Silverstone ST45SF, so ATX support made a little more sense back then. Nowadays there are dozens to choose from, even including a passive unit from Silverstone.

    In theory it sounds good to have that option, but realistically given the GPU situation, does it actually make sense? Wouldn't people just as likely want to reuse their existing GPU, or at least not be limited to using a short GPU (or no GPU)?

    The C14S, plus there are some 2/3 slot mATX boards that could benefit. W360 has also asked to get rid of it to reduce part count, weight (however minimal the bracket is), and packaging.
     
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    Ok I see. Seems to me reducing part count/weight/packaging is the primary motivation, otherwise it just seems like you're taking away a feature for no good reason. Could you keep the mounting holes and just offer it as a separate part people can purchase or does that cost money too?

    Here's one more ATX build for your fingers to count. ;) This is my workstation back when it doubled as a mining rig. I kept the PSU and GPU after I sold the external graphics cards, and turned it into a silence-oriented rig. The 1050 Ti KalmX is meant to be passively cooled, but works perfectly in the M1 with a 120mm GT fan under it, kind of like a mini Accelero. And the fan on the HX1000i doesn't spin under 450W, and I can digitally control the fan curve, I'd like to see an SFX PSU do that :cool:

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    I couldn't have done this without the ATX bracket, but I get that my use case was a niche within a niche within a niche. Still, to me the M1 is about flexibility and I don't like seeing functionality lost. I guess in the end it's all about profitability.
     
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  7. Necere

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    I can keep compatibility, but it's up to w360 if he wants to stock it on SFFLab. Odds aren't good that he will though, frankly, since he doesn't want to keep parts around that don't sell in any significant volume. Worst case you could probably find one from a <v5 owner.
     
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    Ok cool. Well I think at least keeping compatibility is good if it won't cost you anything, so people have options or maybe demand may come back in the future, who knows.

    I added to my post just as you responded oops.
     
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  9. teo

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    On the topic of ATX, I’m considering trying to shove a 140mm length one into my M1 (Seasonic Focus). I want to do this because 1.) I find my Corsair Sf450 plat loud under load 2.) that unit is still within the return window 3.) reviews make it look like the 600 won’t be better 4.) I can grab an atx for $60 on sale and I’m cheap. I know I have other options (Noctua fan mod, NJ450, SF750 if it ever shows up) but see point 4.

    I came across this album https://m.imgur.com/a/hixVU (GPU is 267mm, psu is a 140mm semi-modular). The Focus series has both fully modular and semi modular options though only the fully modular will shut off the fan at low load. My biggest concern is the packaged 24 pin cable as it’s one of those thick bundles. I’d prefer the passive/modular unit but I assume that’s a no go. Even with the semi modular I’m worried if I’ll have room to stick that cabling somewhere. My gpu is nominally 281mm, though I’ve aspirations to use an accelero. How dumb am I for thinking this might be feasible?
     
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    If you notice though he's moved the GPU down a slot, which frees up 20mm below the PSU for modular connectors. Without that extra room you have to use a fully non-modular PSU with a longer GPU.
     
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    Happy NCASE v1 owner here. My build has changed a bit from when I first put it together after that fateful initial production run.

    Upgraded a GTX 780 to Vega56 with Morpheus2 cooler + Noctua slim fans.
    Upgraded a Silverstone 450w Gold SFX psu to accept an aftermarket slim 80mm fan and then upgraded again to a Silverstone SX650 when I got my Vega. Was having issues with that and bought a Corsair SF600 platinum.
    Upgraded the M.2 on my ASUS Impact VI motherboard (great motherboard BTW, has lasted so long!) to a larger capacity model as 128GB was really all that was available back then.

    Many thanks to Necere and W360 for this great product!
     
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    Outside of the used market I don't know of any US sellers. I bought from ncases.com a while back, but I think its all moved to SFFLAB now.
     
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    SFFLab ships to the US and is the only place to buy this case new...
     
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    Just received my Ncase M1 and while the package was in perfect condition the case itself is damaged:
    https://imgur.com/a/BkiP5tB

    Looks like the damage is from the factory itself as the side panel is straight.. I thought Lian Li was good when it came to QC? I don't know how they missed this.
    Was excited to start my build, so this is a bummer.
     
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    That really sucks, but on the good news side of things, it looks like a replacement rear panel should fix it right up...?
     
  17. M1AF

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    Nah, that looks like a bent frame. Crazy how that slipped through.
     
  18. Nobu

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    Yeah, side pushed in and back bowed out. Might could fix it by pulling on the side while pushing the back in. Dunno if feeling confidante.
     
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    The frame is pretty strong actually, so not sure how it got bent.. Definitely won't be able to bent it back.
    I guess I'm just unlucky as I haven't heard people having QC issues with their Ncase.
     
  20. doug_7506

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    So I'm new to this SFF build scene.

    Excited to plan out an M1 build.

    I want to do an 240mm rad on the side with some noctua fans. Is there a consensus on which on works best?

    What about air flow? I'll be sticking just a gtx 1060 in it (non blower). So I'll probably add 2 120mm fans at the bottom. Along with 2 120mm fans at the top and a 92mm fan in the rear. Positive air pressure has always worked best for me. Would 2 bottom 120mm intake and one rear 92mm intake with 2 120mm exhaust on the rad work well? Or should I flip the 120s?
     
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    Anyone ever try to put an Alphacool Eisbaer in this case?

    I'm thinking Alphacool Eisbaer with new fittings + 240mm st30 at bottom + 120mm st30 on the right side pannel mount + a shorter GPU like the rtx 2070 with an EK waterblock.
     
  22. jferreir

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    Would the Morpheus 2 fit the NCASE M1 using slim Noctua fans (NF-A12-15)? If so, would this be preferable to the Accelero III/Noctua NF-F12 combo for cooling performance and noise? My current build is too noisy when gaming (EVGA 1080ti SC Black), and I have two extra slim fans, so the Morpheus 2 seems like an obvious choice... but I have no experience with aftermarket GPU cooling. Is this advisable for a complete noob? I can't afford to ruin the GPU, lol
     
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    The Morpheus 2 will fit with two slims, but it won't be as quiet as an Accelero with 25mm thick fans, especially a12x25's. I have the same GPU as you, and it took me two tries to mount the Accelero due to the unclear instructions. Looking back, it wasn't so bad. I made myself think it was harder than it was.

    The worst part about any of these aftermarket gpu solutions is having to glue the ram and mosfet sinks on the chips. From what I understand, they are more or less permanent and you might break the entire thing by removing them if you ever needed to.
     
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    I think I saw your post on reddit and I replied there too. Two bottom intake and two radiator exhaust should do the trick. I don't think a 92mm will fit with a rad. Worst case scenario, you spend an hour testing intake and exhaust on the rad. I know for a fact that using the bottom fans as exhaust with a stock gpu cooler won't work well.
     
  27. M1AF

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    Oh, I see. I misunderstood. Thank you for the clarification.
     
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    I am running my 1080Ti with an Accellero III, but without the little heatsinks and didn‘t had any issues yet.
     
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    Dammit. Already ordered my Eisbaer. Oh well. I'll let yall know how it works out. lol
     
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    I don't even know what a mofset is, so I'd be relying almost exclusively on YouTube videos for the installation. Do you think it's worth the gamble? I can't seem to find the Morpheus II for sale in Canada, so the Accelero III might be the only option.
     
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    This is the best one I found.



    Starting at 2:20 you can see where things are supposed to go.
     
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    If you want to keep the little heat sinks removable, there is the possibility of using double sided thermal tape instead of the included glue.
     
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    Okay guys, want yall to double check what I am thinking about for the rebuild. I am going away from the aio route, as the h100 that i had crammed into this i worry is putting too much strain on everything as the cables are huge and not flexible at all. Would like to have some great temps even under load, while being pretty quiet. I use open back headphones. I want this to last a while, I am upgrading from my 4770k build. Board seems to be on its way out.

    I am open to any and all suggestions on upgrades or changing out the parts below. Just make it make sense to me, if you don't mind.

    cpu: 9700k - would it be worth stepping upto the 9700k? I am willing to try and delid if it really will help.
    mobo: asus rog strix itx z390
    ram: just some ddr4 vengeance lpx, unles ssomeone has a better suggestion.
    m.2 ssd: adata sx8200 060gb
    hdd: samsing spinpoint m9t 2tb , will be in the front panel where the cd drive goes.
    cooler: u9s - is there a better option?
    psu: corsair sf750 platinum
    gpu: evga 1080 ti sc2, have the accelero 3 i will be putting on it.
     
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    I would get the ASRock Z390 Phantom ITX instead of the ASUS board, it has much better VRM. Delid on Coffe Lake-S does not really change much, on regular Coffee Lake with crap TIM it made a big difference. For RAM, just get any DDR4 ram with Samsung B-dies on (for exampe G.Skill 3200 CL14 is Samsung B-die), and you will easy OC them to 4400 CL18, the 2 Slot Mini ITX boards make RAM OC so easy and only the IMC of your CPU will limit the RAM OC. All other looks fine to me.
     
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    This whole time I have been telling people that you have to use an ATX bracket and SFX adapter to use a C14S. Well, that is true if you use a 140mm fan. If you use a 120mm fan, however, you can fit the PSU in stock orientation as long as you mount the 120mm fan as far to the left as possible. Credit to reddit user u/Blindphleb for getting me to test this.

    PSU has to be installed before the sink.
     
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    Just ordered the parts for mine.

    The 9700k doesn't get the same reduction that the 8700k did since they are using a solder. Silicon Lottery says 4-8C. I still went with the delidded version from SL since it was only a few bucks more delidded with no taxes.
    Seems the Asrock has better VRMs than the Asus. So I went Asrock.
    I ended up going with seasonic psu. I know its a little longer, but it is cheaper, has 120mm fan vs 92mm, longer warranty, and I just had better experiences with them.
     
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    Has anyone tested an Asus Rog Strix 20X0 to fit in this case?
     
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