NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

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I recently replaced GTX1070 the stock cooler with an Arctic Accelero Xtreme III, and it seems to allow a minimum fan speed of 27%.
While that's reasonably quiet, I really want a silent-at-idle build, so it's a bit disappointing.

Is there any way to do this, such as via a bios update?
nope, intel has it locked down. the only way I know of to achieve this is to get an adapter to connect the fans to your mobos fan header. then with the right software like speedfan you have full control. ive done this several times without issue.
 

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I recently replaced GTX1070 the stock cooler with an Arctic Accelero Xtreme III, and it seems to allow a minimum fan speed of 27%.
While that's reasonably quiet, I really want a silent-at-idle build, so it's a bit disappointing.

Is there any way to do this, such as via a bios update?

I don't understand. Are you using the stock accellero fans? What fans are you trying to control and with what?
 

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I don't understand. Are you using the stock accellero fans? What fans are you trying to control and with what?
the ac fan unit has the gpu mini plugs.

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Looks great! Is this a C14 or a C14S? I wonder if a U9S would perform better given the airflow restrictions, and that way you'd get to show off a bit of the motherboard too.
No need to be an engineer to know the answer... but then I'm sure some still have no idea. :D

The U9S placed horizontally permit an air flow, that C14 with the window no...
 

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It's a C14S cooler and the PSU is the Silverstone 800 watt titanium model. I can actually tell you in a few minutes if the u9s performs better. I highly doubt it will given the sheer size of the c14s.

Edit: So far the results are unanimously in favor of the U9S. So much so, that I'm going to retest everything. From the first run, not one single component was cooler running the C14s which I find remarkable. I'll update when I get some more results.
Ha just like I said above... and what would even be better is to have an intake for the U9S to suck fresh air and exhaust hot air on the back.
 

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No need to be an engineer to know the answer... but then I'm sure some still have no idea. :D

The U9S placed horizontally permit an air flow, that C14 with the window no...

I figured since they both had the same amount of intake that the c14s would cool better since it has a 140mm pulling air through and hitting the board directly. I'll have to test more once I get everything set up. I might move the PSU if the U9S actually cools better.
 

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I figured since they both had the same amount of intake that the c14s would cool better since it has a 140mm pulling air through and hitting the board directly. I'll have to test more once I get everything set up. I might move the PSU if the U9S actually cools better.
I’ve tried this with window + C14, but not sure if it’d work as well with a C14s. Try a slim 92 on the rear for intake, and a 120/140 fan pulling air away from the cpu. Temps were slightly better when pushing air towards glass, than pulling air from glass.
 

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I was just checking about Vengeance Pro memory from Corsair's statement from Computex 2018 and they state "These new memory DIMMs will ship with memory seeds of between 2666MHz and 4000MHz at launch, with 8GB and 16GB modules."

So it looks like they will have the 16GB available they are probably just not listed yet.

do you have a link?

i cant see to find any source online and all the various stores dont have that sku.

i saw online that the psu comes out in july, but other countries have pre-orders up already while the USA doesnt. (got the majority of my build ordered just waiting on the psu and ram)
 

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do you have a link?

i cant see to find any source online and all the various stores dont have that sku.

i saw online that the psu comes out in july, but other countries have pre-orders up already while the USA doesnt. (got the majority of my build ordered just waiting on the psu and ram)

I read about it on OC3d for their coverage of Corsair at Computex.
 
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It's a C14S cooler and the PSU is the Silverstone 800 watt titanium model. I can actually tell you in a few minutes if the u9s performs better. I highly doubt it will given the sheer size of the c14s.

Edit: So far the results are unanimously in favor of the U9S. So much so, that I'm going to retest everything. From the first run, not one single component was cooler running the C14s which I find remarkable. I'll update when I get some more results.

I'm not surprised, the C14S is starved for air, and most of the air it does get gets recirculated. Whereas with the U9S, you are intaking from the rear and moving the air in a straight path toward the PSU. They both get the same amount of fresh intake (rear 92mm), but airflow is much better with the U9S. The C14S also gets some top intake, but again, a lot of that gets recirculated.

As far as bottom intake (if your bottom fans are set up for intake), there's so much loss of pressure there, the benefit of whatever additional airflow you get is negated by the raised temperature inside the case coming thru the GPU finstack. So I don't see how the C14 or C14S can outperform the U9S in this scenario. And to me personally, if all you can see is a giant heatsink, is it really worth getting a window... but I understand that's subjective.
 
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Whereas with the U9S, you are intaking from the rear and moving the air in a straight path toward the PSU.
And where does hot air go when you move it around PSU!?

I think the best option is rear = exhaust and you feed fresh air to U9S from side panel where you can also control dust a bit since a filter is available. But again, air fluid is a complex science...
 

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I'm not surprised, the C14S is starved for air, and most of the air it does get gets recirculated. Whereas with the U9S, you are intaking from the rear and moving the air in a straight path toward the PSU. They both get the same amount of fresh intake (rear 92mm), but airflow is much better with the U9S. The C14S also gets some top intake, but again, a lot of that gets recirculated.

As far as bottom intake (if your bottom fans are set up for intake), there's so much loss of pressure there, the benefit of whatever additional airflow you get is negated by the raised temperature inside the case coming thru the GPU finstack. So I don't see how the C14 or C14S can outperform the U9S in this scenario. And to me personally, if all you can see is a giant heatsink, is it really worth getting a window... but I understand that's subjective.

I just did a swap back to the c14s but this time with the 140mm fan blowing through the heatsink towards the glass and holy cow, the temps are about 15c cooler than with the u9s. I'm going to continue testing to see what I level off at but I think this might be the winner. No other configuration has been close to this low so far.

I'm doing gaming tests on wildlands with hwinfo64 running to see temps of everything. I haven't broken 60c yet and the u9s was hanging out in the 78-80 range.
 

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do you have a link?

i cant see to find any source online and all the various stores dont have that sku.

i saw online that the psu comes out in july, but other countries have pre-orders up already while the USA doesnt. (got the majority of my build ordered just waiting on the psu and ram)

I read about it on OC3d for their coverage of Corsair at Computex.

That article I found at OC3D might actually be wrong, I found this article at AnandTech and it says they will only have 8GB sticks. I would guess eventually they will have 16GB but who knows how long.
 

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That article I found at OC3D might actually be wrong, I found this article at AnandTech and it says they will only have 8GB sticks. I would guess eventually they will have 16GB but who knows how long.

i found this and replied asking if it would be soon


but im not sure if they'll give me an ETA. if not i'll have to settle for a cheap 8gb stick so that i dont spend too much (guessing the 2x16gb sku will be $300-$400 based on the the 2x8gb sku)




my case should ship out in a few days based on the the deadlines
purchased the u9s, mobo, and 8700k. pretty much sitting on the build till the psu comes out
 

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i found this and replied asking if it would be soon


but im not sure if they'll give me an ETA. if not i'll have to settle for a cheap 8gb stick so that i dont spend too much (guessing the 2x16gb sku will be $300-$400 based on the the 2x8gb sku)




my case should ship out in a few days based on the the deadlines
purchased the u9s, mobo, and 8700k. pretty much sitting on the build till the psu comes out

Well that sucks. Yeah you can get the non pro RGB and they run $370 to over $400 so I am sure the Pro will be as much.
 
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I just did a swap back to the c14s but this time with the 140mm fan blowing through the heatsink towards the glass and holy cow, the temps are about 15c cooler than with the u9s. I'm going to continue testing to see what I level off at but I think this might be the winner. No other configuration has been close to this low so far.

I'm doing gaming tests on wildlands with hwinfo64 running to see temps of everything. I haven't broken 60c yet and the u9s was hanging out in the 78-80 range.

Oh interesting, I was wrong then. A few questions -- so there should be about 13mm between the glass and the C14S. How much room would you say there is between the 140mm fan and the motherboard? The only explanation for the massive drop in temperature is increased clearance for intake. You could possibly see even better temperatures if you used a slim fan. Could you possibly post a top-down picture?

I wonder where the fan is getting enough air from. The rear 92mm isn't providing enough intake, so I think it could be a combination of the top and back side panel. Are your bottom fans in intake or exhaust?

Finally, if I could ask a favor -- you're using the ATX bracket, would you say an ATX power supply that's flush with the bracket would fit with the glass window panel?
 

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Oh interesting, I was wrong then. A few questions -- so there should be about 13mm between the glass and the C14S. How much room would you say there is between the 140mm fan and the motherboard? The only explanation for the massive drop in temperature is increased clearance for intake. You could possibly see even better temperatures if you used a slim fan. Could you possibly post a top-down picture?

You weren't totally wrong. At the end of my testing the C14s managed to remain about 8c lower than the U9S through lots of wildlands play. I believe the biggest contributing factor in the better temperatures is the 140mm intaking air from the top and pushing through the sink. Before it was intaking air from the top and just hitting the motherboard with it causing horrible air circulation. Now as soon as the air passes through the sink it's getting sucked out of the bottom.

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Are your bottom fans in intake or exhaust?
The two bottom 120's are set to exhaust.

Finally, if I could ask a favor -- you're using the ATX bracket, would you say an ATX power supply that's flush with the bracket would fit with the glass window panel?
I'm actually not using the bracket. I'm just using 3M adhesive tape and I made sure the height of the PSU with the power cord plugged in is just touching the top panel when closed. I don't know if an ATX PSU would fit there.
 

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You weren't totally wrong. At the end of my testing the C14s managed to remain about 8c lower than the U9S through lots of wildlands play. I believe the biggest contributing factor in the better temperatures is the 140mm intaking air from the top and pushing through the sink. Before it was intaking air from the top and just hitting the motherboard with it causing horrible air circulation. Now as soon as the air passes through the sink it's getting sucked out of the bottom.

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The two bottom 120's are set to exhaust.


I'm actually not using the bracket. I'm just using 3M adhesive tape and I made sure the height of the PSU with the power cord plugged in is just touching the top panel when closed. I don't know if an ATX PSU would fit there.

With the fan intaking from the motherboard side I think you are probably getting better airflow from the top panel. Nice to see that a top down cooler can still perform well with the windowed panel.
 
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You weren't totally wrong. At the end of my testing the C14s managed to remain about 8c lower than the U9S through lots of wildlands play. I believe the biggest contributing factor in the better temperatures is the 140mm intaking air from the top and pushing through the sink. Before it was intaking air from the top and just hitting the motherboard with it causing horrible air circulation. Now as soon as the air passes through the sink it's getting sucked out of the bottom.

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The two bottom 120's are set to exhaust.


I'm actually not using the bracket. I'm just using 3M adhesive tape and I made sure the height of the PSU with the power cord plugged in is just touching the top panel when closed. I don't know if an ATX PSU would fit there.

Thanks for the information. I think the bottom exhaust fans are the main reason why you're seeing such a big difference between having the C14S fan in intake vs. exhaust. With the bottom fans as intake, you would have more air coming in between the glass and the heatsink, but with the bottom exhaust setup, the only air you're getting in that small gap is the tiny bit that makes it from the 92mm fan and whatever can get thru the top (there isn't even ventilation at the top so close to the panel), and on top of that that bottom fans are pulling some of that air too. When you flip the fan, you get a lot more intake, even if some is recirculated. So that makes sense to me. Having the bottom as exhaust is certainly better for GPU temperatures and flipping the CPU fan as you did negates the negative pressure you're getting from the bottom and you get a better airflow from the top/back to the bottom. The only issue you'll have is dust.

Is there a reason you're not using the ATX bracket? I'd be a bit concerned with adhesive tape, you won't get great dissipation of heat off of the backside of the PSU and the tape glue may start to melt after a while. Just speculation though.
 

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The only issue you'll have is dust.
Yeah it will get dusty. I have a small filer on the back 92mm intake. I just need to grab some demcifilters for the back and top.

Is there a reason you're not using the ATX bracket? I'd be a bit concerned with adhesive tape, you won't get great dissipation of heat off of the backside of the PSU and the tape glue may start to melt after a while. Just speculation though.
I didn't think I could use the ATX bracket since this is an SFLX PSU. I thought I needed an ATX adapter for this case and an ATX to SFX bracket for that. Seemed complicated when I had so much tape lying around. Plus I thought I could get closer to the top than the bracket could to give me more room to plug cables in. There's not much room down there at all between the butt of the GPU and the first row of cables.

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ASRock X299E-ITX/ac + Corsair SF600

Need help with custom SFX cable length, anyone care to share theirs?

I’m looking to buy it from www.ensourced.net, if anyone has experience, do share.

I have a full loop setup in my Mach One prototype. It would be real pain to take it apart and install into the M1 just for measurement.
 

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ASRock X299E-ITX/ac + Corsair SF600

Need help with custom SFX cable length, anyone care to share theirs?

I’m looking to buy it from www.ensourced.net, if anyone has experience, do share.

I have a full loop setup in my Mach One prototype. It would be real pain to take it apart and install into the M1 just for measurement.


Couple things to note about the cables from Ensourced:

The cable wraps that come included will break if you look at them funny since they are 3d printed. Note how none of them are left on the cable in the picture below lol.
They are not very flexible.
He splices instead of sharing connectors, which is a must due to cord/wire thickness. It can lead to tape being visible although he does try to do it towards the PSU connector side.

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As far as lengths with a SF600 and x299e:

PCIE - 20CM with cpu fan on the inside is pictured below. You'd probably need 22 if you wanted the fan pointing out. (Fan out means the wire will be twisted)
24Pin - You could probably get away with 26-28. The image shows what 30cm looks like on a Z270i board. 24 Pin is lower on the asrock.
8 EPS - ~30CM if you route it behind the motherboard. I go extra on these since you can hide them completely.

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sonsonate, why N1 mcase?

He's just trolling. I went on an unreasonable rant about Steve from Gamers Nexus because he did not know the name of the Ncase M1. It sounded like he was calling it the Mcase N1 - and someone suggested they should photoshop my new SSD plate to say Mcase N1, so Sonsonate photoshopped it. I laughed.

I deleted my rant posts because they were stupid and not contributing anything valuable to the thread so things might appear out of order/context on page 667.
 

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By the way, where do you intend on displaying this? On the side of the PSU? Is it just an aluminum plate that's taped to an SSD? How did you get it made? Lots of questions...

On the side of the PSU was the original idea. I still haven't tried it yet so it might not look good there. I got it from Ensourced and it's just a piece of acrylic. Two of the letters already partially scratched off so I had to get a white paint pen to fix it. Super bummed about that.
 

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The U9S shouldn't impinge on RAM at all as it's 95mm on a side (with a single fan attached) so shouldn't overhang the DIMM slots on most boards.
 

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does the u9s have a height limit for ram?

The fans on an NH-U9S usually don't overlap the RAM slots, so there is no height limit for the RAM. However you may want to be careful about tall RAM blocking some of the CPU fan's airflow. According to the NH-U9S Dimensions illustration at the bottom of the product's Specifications page, the bottom of the CPU fan is 33 mm above the CPU base.

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The fans on an NH-U9S usually don't overlap the RAM slots, so there is no height limit for the RAM. However you may want to be careful about tall RAM blocking some of the CPU fan's airflow. According to the NH-U9S Dimensions illustration at the bottom of the product's Specifications page, the bottom of the CPU fan is 33 mm above the CPU base.

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blocking too much u think?


deciding between these:

dominators contras
the new Patriot viper RGBs
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro
Team T-FORCE XCALIBUR RGB
 

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blocking too much u think?


deciding between these:

dominators contras
the new Patriot viper RGBs
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro
Team T-FORCE XCALIBUR RGB

No, it should be fine.

If the NH-U9S is installed with a vertical airflow path (1st photo) then the RAM height does not matter. In your second and third photos we can see there is a gap between the heatsink fan and the closest RAM module. In the 4th photo the RAM does not cover much of the fan and some air will flow through the RAM's heatsink fins.

Corsair Dominator Platinum is 55 mm tall, but it doesn't appear to be overlapping the heatsink fan by 22 mm in these photos. I think this is because the bottom of the heatsink is on the CPU (actually, the IHS) which is raised above the motherboard by the CPU socket. Does anyone know how much the top of the IHS is above the motherboard?
 

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I could see it the ram was right up against the heatsink, it would block a bit of air but I don't think even that would be too bad. It looks like there is enough of a gap between the heatsink and ram that the air will just be redirected.
 

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just arrived between yesterday and today (need to decide on the ram and waiting on the new sf600 with the better cables and included bracket)

I order my case and the window at the same time but only the case was shipped so far.

No, it should be fine.

If the NH-U9S is installed with a vertical airflow path (1st photo) then the RAM height does not matter. In your second and third photos we can see there is a gap between the heatsink fan and the closest RAM module. In the 4th photo the RAM does not cover much of the fan and some air will flow through the RAM's heatsink fins.

Corsair Dominator Platinum is 55 mm tall, but it doesn't appear to be overlapping the heatsink fan by 22 mm in these photos. I think this is because the bottom of the heatsink is on the CPU (actually, the IHS) which is raised above the motherboard by the CPU socket. Does anyone know how much the top of the IHS is above the motherboard?

i'll be using horizontal method since i'll be using the window. really wish the fans were a nicer color.
 

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just arrived between yesterday and today (need to decide on the ram and waiting on the new sf600 with the better cables and included bracket)

I order my case and the window at the same time but only the case was shipped so far.



i'll be using horizontal method since i'll be using the window. really wish the fans were a nicer color.

I believe Noctua showed more models in the black Chromax style, including 92 mm and 140 mm ones, at Computex this year. Now we just have to wait for them to actually go on sale.
 

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I believe Noctua showed more models in the black Chromax style, including 92 mm and 140 mm ones, at Computex this year. Now we just have to wait for them to actually go on sale.

Black A9s in q1 2019 guess i can wait for those.

B9s prob wouldnt cool an 8700k as well, wanting to OC it
 

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You should check out Optimum Tech's video "Ultimate NCASE M1 Cooling Setup?" in which he compares the A9 and B9 fans on the NH-U9S, set up with intake from the rear and the window side panel.

He set the fans to 100%. Literally nobody does that. Of course the a9 wins because it spins 400 rpm faster.

IDK about yall, but I sure as hell don't need 100% fan speeds and I'm cooling a 10 core.
 
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