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That’s consistent with my findings as wellIn my M1 I've tested the following:
Side intake bottom intake - hot insides temps warm.
Side exhaust bottom intake - cool GPU hot inside/CPU temps
Side intake bottom exhaust - good GPU temps amazing CPU. Case temps good. Best configuration for me.
I use the large noctua top down cooler and an accelero on GPU.
There have been conflicting opinions and results about adding fans on the bottom of the Ncase M1. If your intent is to feed air to your graphics card, the effectiveness of bottom fans is affected by the type of graphics card and the design of its cooler:
My son's M1 has a Gigabyte 1070 with a 3 fan cooler. Adding two of Noctua's thin 120 mm fans as bottom intakes reduced his GPU temperatures by 10 deg. C. The approximately 10 mm gap between the fans and the graphics card cooler reduces turbulence, and hence noise, between the two opposing sets of fans.
- graphics card that exhausts air out the rear of the case (such as an FE-style cooler): a fan under the GPU cooler's fan to feed air into the cooler has been reported to be only slightly beneficial. One user reported that adding a duct below the cooler's fan was quieter and almost as effective.
- graphics card with cooler that exhausts inside the case (non-FE-style cooler): if the heat output isn't too high, then bottom intake fans can help, but they will also push heated air into the upper half of the case.
- graphics card with large third-party heatsink (such as Arctic Accelero Xtreme III and IV): bottom fans are needed, but whether they are used as intakes or exhausts depends on the amount of heat produced. High-power cards may be better served by bottom exhaust fans to pull air through the heatsink and out the bottom of the case
In my own M1, I replaced my Zotac 970's small dual-fan cooler with a large Alpenföhn Peter II heatsink. This is thicker than the Accelero Xtreme so I had to use slim fans. I modded the case to install dual Prolimatech 140 mm fans as exhausts and it's working great.
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I hope this helps.
I wonder if the AORUS Gaming Box version of the Gigabyte GTX 1080 Mini GPU (aka the Hulk) would fit into the MI-6...?!?
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That is a 130mm fan on there (as opposed to the stock 90mm fan seen on the GTX 1070 Mini to the left) and there is no shroud (unless you count the Gaming Box enclosure as the shroud)...
This, with an AIO-enabled top section, and possibly a fan mount over the motherboard for pumping plenty of fresh air into the chassis & over the RAM & PCH, maybe a X299 system in a MI-6...?!?
There have been conflicting opinions and results about adding fans on the bottom of the Ncase M1. If your intent is to feed air to your graphics card, the effectiveness of bottom fans is affected by the type of graphics card and the design of its cooler:
My son's M1 has a Gigabyte 1070 with a 3 fan cooler. Adding two of Noctua's thin 120 mm fans as bottom intakes reduced his GPU temperatures by 10 deg. C. The approximately 10 mm gap between the fans and the graphics card cooler reduces turbulence, and hence noise, between the two opposing sets of fans.
- graphics card that exhausts air out the rear of the case (such as an FE-style cooler): a fan under the GPU cooler's fan to feed air into the cooler has been reported to be only slightly beneficial. One user reported that adding a duct below the cooler's fan was quieter and almost as effective.
- graphics card with cooler that exhausts inside the case (non-FE-style cooler): if the heat output isn't too high, then bottom intake fans can help, but they will also push heated air into the upper half of the case.
- graphics card with large third-party heatsink (such as Arctic Accelero Xtreme III and IV): bottom fans are needed, but whether they are used as intakes or exhausts depends on the amount of heat produced. High-power cards may be better served by bottom exhaust fans to pull air through the heatsink and out the bottom of the case
In my own M1, I replaced my Zotac 970's small dual-fan cooler with a large Alpenföhn Peter II heatsink. This is thicker than the Accelero Xtreme so I had to use slim fans. I modded the case to install dual Prolimatech 140 mm fans as exhausts and it's working great.
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I hope this helps.
Can I see some pictures of what that cooler looks like installed when you have a moment please?
Great job on using 2 140mm fans on the bottom, I didn't think it was possible. What did you mod, from the picture it looks like they fit stock with the 120mm mounts?
Earlier, someone posted photos of larger cut-outs they made to increase air flow through the bottom of the case.
There have been conflicting opinions and results about adding fans on the bottom of the Ncase M1. If your intent is to feed air to your graphics card, the effectiveness of bottom fans is affected by the type of graphics card and the design of its cooler:
My son's M1 has a Gigabyte 1070 with a 3 fan cooler. Adding two of Noctua's thin 120 mm fans as bottom intakes reduced his GPU temperatures by 10 deg. C. The approximately 10 mm gap between the fans and the graphics card cooler reduces turbulence, and hence noise, between the two opposing sets of fans.
- graphics card that exhausts air out the rear of the case (such as an FE-style cooler): a fan under the GPU cooler's fan to feed air into the cooler has been reported to be only slightly beneficial. One user reported that adding a duct below the cooler's fan was quieter and almost as effective.
- graphics card with cooler that exhausts inside the case (non-FE-style cooler): if the heat output isn't too high, then bottom intake fans can help, but they will also push heated air into the upper half of the case.
- graphics card with large third-party heatsink (such as Arctic Accelero Xtreme III and IV): bottom fans are needed, but whether they are used as intakes or exhausts depends on the amount of heat produced. High-power cards may be better served by bottom exhaust fans to pull air through the heatsink and out the bottom of the case
In my own M1, I replaced my Zotac 970's small dual-fan cooler with a large Alpenföhn Peter II heatsink. This is thicker than the Accelero Xtreme so I had to use slim fans. I modded the case to install dual Prolimatech 140 mm fans as exhausts and it's working great.
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I hope this helps.
With the 2 Noctua thins, whilst GPU temps went down, what happened with CPU temps? About the same? Or higher? I've contemplated buying those, but they cost 39 a pop. With delivery (if I'm lazy) that's 90 bucks AUD. My GPU temps are less of a concern than CPU temps in general.. I did have some slim gelid fans on the bottom at one point but found they had an annoying noise profile, and didn't seem to contribute much apart from dropping idle temps massively for the GPU. Load didn't appear to change much.
ive noticed crazy higher temps with this type of gpu with the panel closed. since it blows the hot air out the side of the gpu and with the lower portion of the panel having no vents. gpu temps were hitting 80c at 60%fan speed while playing fortnite
Here is a crappy photo of my son's M1 with the dual slim Noctua NF-A12x15 fans underneath the Gigabyte 1070. The Noctuas are bringing air into the case from below. Note the 10 mm gap between the top of the fans and the graphics card cooler.
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To help warm air get out of the case I have removed the third expansion card slot cover and the small rectangular metal plate that is normally above the 3 slot covers. Finally, I have replace the case feet with slightly taller ones. All of these small changes allow cool air to be brought to the graphics card and force warm air out the back of the case. The Noctua fans are quiet and the GPU is 10 degrees cooler.
Which case feet did you purchase? I've been looking at changing mine out too.
My case feet are the M1 Single-G PC Case Feet - Silver from Mod-One. The feet are 39 mm in diameter and 17 mm tall. They also come in black.
These case feet come with attachment bolts that are too large for the case feet holes at the bottom of the case so the holes have to be drilled out larger. The bolts have to be threaded down into these feet from inside the case. Take note that the bracket at the front of the case that supports the USB and Audio ports needed to have two bottom corners cut off to accommodate the head of these bolts. I just cut them at a diagonal angle with a dremel. The cuts are not visible from the outside of the case.
Other owners have found replacement feet that can be attached with the original bolts.
Do you have a dust filter on the rear intake? I considered this airflow path, but was concerned about dust.. I had a Noctua 14cm (the one with 12cm holes) on the side as intake, 1 92mm on my D9L heatsink, and 1 92 exhaust. I suspect the direct path of air
I actually removed my side intake entirely to reduce dust intake/noise altogether given i havent been gaming a lot, but my CPU temps are still pretty high in general. 70+ for a very mild 4.2ghz OC on an i5 4690k. fan speeds are pretty low though..
no I dont run a air filter. dust isn't an issue. even if it was, id rather not have a filter so the fan are quieter and I just dust it out once in a while. but after months of use, the inside is visibly still clean
With respect to switching to a window side-panel: I think if I keep using bottom fans as exhaust and the rear fan as intake for the CPU, then air is going to get drawn in through the top panel. In this case I may add a dust filter to the underside of the top panel. I know some people have done this already to keep dust from settling into the case from above. Alternatively, I could switch my bottom fans to intakes and then the positive case pressure should push air out of the top panel. Thoughts?
When that panel arrives I plan to trial this.. Might grab a pair of those thin noctuas. I wonder if it'd be worth also altering the direction of my CPU cooler, slapping 2 fans back on it, so it goes straight up (though taking heat directly from GPU then). Then remove the rear exhaust entirely?
Indeed! Can it just arrive already? XD. Another few weeks!All good questions. I think we will see a slew of posts once the window panels arrive and people work to keep their systems cool.
I tried taping off the side-vents on my case, and disconnect the fan I had on the bracket there, my temps were up 10-15c because of it. So I'm staying off the windowed panel.
I tried taping off the side-vents on my case, and disconnect the fan I had on the bracket there, my temps were up 10-15c because of it. So I'm staying off the windowed panel.
I wish them luck but I think people who opt for the windowed side panel are going to have a really nice view of their very hot components.
Does anyone have specific product recommendations for water cooling both a Titan X and 5930k In the Ncase. Im looking to go single rad for both unless someone knows the right products to fit dual 240mm Rads one for each component? I know im asking a lot but I just dont want to pull the trigger on parts only to get frustrated lol.
Honestly intrested in both single rad and dual rad setups. Because I will be buying the window panel for this and would like the ability to OC like mad if I need or go cool and quiet with a beautiful view. Im not really starved for performance anyway lol.
Yes I'm very torn. I want great cooling but I love love love the window. Thank you for the insight, curious what others have to say as well.By far the most effective setup would be with a side radiator. Perhaps you might get even better performance with a radiator on the floor as well, but I doubt it's worth the effort. A well routed side radiator would probably be the best water cooling setup.
If you want to do a single radiator and the window, then get ready to be brutal with the case modding.
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L0hky's is probably the best example I've seen that would still have good cooling.
I'm quite happy with having a 240mm + 92mm radiator as well, especially now I have the fan curves set up. But I'll leave you to search up those posts for yourself.
Does anyone have specific product recommendations for water cooling both a Titan X and 5930k In the Ncase. Im looking to go single rad for both unless someone knows the right products to fit dual 240mm Rads one for each component? I know im asking a lot but I just dont want to pull the trigger on parts only to get frustrated lol.
Honestly intrested in both single rad and dual rad setups. Because I will be buying the window panel for this and would like the ability to OC like mad if I need or go cool and quiet with a beautiful view. Im not really starved for performance anyway lol.
Yes I'm very torn. I want great cooling but I love love love the window. Thank you for the insight, curious what others have to say as well.
I will definitely look into this. You guys have helped tremendously. I might end up buying a second ncase to perform the mods on so I can keep my V1 pristine.Totally agree with Nanook and Chapeau your best cooling will come from side mounted 240mm radiator. HWLabs GTS 240 is a very good choice, avoid the EK SE 240.
If you must have the window go with the bottom 240 and rear 92mm radiator. Like Nanook said cutting out the case bottom is a good idea for increased airflow to the radiator, you might also consider taller case feet. I would highly recommend a delid for your CPU.
Good luck.
I will definitely look into this. You guys have helped tremendously. I might end up buying a second ncase to perform the mods on so I can keep my V1 pristine.
If I go with the first suggestion from Nanook then I would want to get the X99 ITX/AC waterblock although thats been a PITA to even find.
Thats the new Block for the X299, Im one gen behind. Pretty sure it does not fit, or does it?Are you in the US? Newegg has the Bitspower block.
There was a forum member here looking to sell their block. It was a month ago so I'm not sure if it is still available.Thats the new Block for the X299, Im one gen behind. Pretty sure it does not fit, or does it?
I shall take this line of inquiry to the OC forum.
i want to do something similar to this but to have the acrylic panel on stand offs so its not fully flush onto the case to let in air flow. any ideas to achieve this?By far the most effective setup would be with a side radiator. Perhaps you might get even better performance with a radiator on the floor as well, but I doubt it's worth the effort. A well routed side radiator would probably be the best water cooling setup.
If you want to do a single radiator and the window, then get ready to be brutal with the case modding.
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L0hky's is probably the best example I've seen that would still have good cooling.
I'm quite happy with having a 240mm + 92mm radiator as well, especially now I have the fan curves set up. But I'll leave you to search up those posts for yourself.