NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

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  1. voklskier4452

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    I have a 1070 Aero that I purchased the EVGA hyrdo kit for along with a Noctua NH-U9S and it is reasonably quiet. The GPU itself runs under 45C even at 100% GPU usage with a +150 core and +500 memory overclock while my 4700K at 4.3ghz stays under 65C while gaming. I wouldn't go back to an aircooled only card in this case as they can either run cool or run quiet and not both in my experience.
     
  2. CryptoCase

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    WOOO just bought myself a black M1! Ok, now for cpu cooling, air cooler like the Noctua U9S over a 240 aio? My GPU is reference by the way. I have an Asus z270i motherboard and I want some overclocking room for my 7700k. Also is a sfxL power supply really a tight fit?
     
  3. FlamingKomodo

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    I'm bias to air cooling in terms of price to performance, the U9S/C14/D9L are all great coolers from noctua.

    After using the Cryorig C1+Asus 370-i+8600k (Doc says no compatibility but it should for 270-i) I'd have to say its my favorite air cooler for the M1 (you have to remove the plastic shroud, switch to a 120mm fan and have low profile ram).
    It has the benefit of not covering the ram slots and right side connectors like other top-down coolers (this will save me so much trouble of connecting i/o etc in the furture), direct cooling on the vrms, good surface area size and you can still ad 25mm fans on the side.
    It also allowed me to stay away from minimal choice/color options in 92mm fans and have a colour co-ordinated build.

    > Also is a sfxL power supply really a tight fit?
    Not sure depends on setup and m1 ncase model, but Corsair's sfx line up is fantastic compared to even SFX-L psu's theres little reason to go with another choice usually, though evga has some sfx-l coming and their psu's are highly rated I believe.

    my inprog build for reference
     

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  4. Smitty2k1

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    Do you have pics? Where does the radiator go?
     
  5. CryptoCase

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    Thanks for the help! Does the C1 have better airflow than the others?
     
  6. FlamingKomodo

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    The C1 in its stock config it has better/worse cooling than the D9L and U9S (depending on which review you look at) (credit to noctua), though upgrading to a 25mm noctua fan should provide better acoustics and cooling, though I don't have any statistical data to back that up.

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  7. nicknoxx

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    Does anyone know how long cases take to arrive in the UK? My case left Taiwan a week ago but none of the tracking info has been updated since.
     
  8. La_Menthe

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    I finally managed to get hold of a used C14, and can now change out the U9S, which gave me too high temps (it was never much over 82c, but I still want it lower, or at least get the fans to spin even more silent). I iinitially thought it was a problem with my delidding, and delidded 3 different 7700Ks and even a 6700K. Even a 6600K at lower clock speed gave me the same temps, and I'm pretty sure it's because of bad air flow in the case. Hopefully the C14, that can push the air directly out of the case, can fix it.

    It has been a long time since I was active here, and I would hate to go throuigh 600 pages again to read up about the different C14 set-ups. Could anyone remind me what the most ideal scenario for the C14 installation is? I know a 120mm is needed at the bottom, but what's best between 140mm and 120mm at the top? Should I set both thefans in the cooler to pushing out air?

    Does having an additional 120mm on the right side to push out air have any good effects as well (mostly in regards to the GPU)?
     
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  9. ptirmal

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    ACIII'ed 1070 +180 core and +500 memory always stays under 64C
    C12P'ed 4770k (delid, @1.25v) @ 4.5GHz stays under 65C while gaming, about 10C while stress testing

    This setup is very quiet at all times, even at full load. The only thing that makes it even audible to me is my Silverstone SFX, that I'll be replacing soon.

    Just have to use the right components.
     
  10. FlamingKomodo

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    Ideal? Hmm, no numbers but I think having 2 120mm intake on the side with a 92mm exhaust is ideal you could prob turn down rpm real low in this setup. In turns of price to performance a single 140m on the heatsink should be fine not advised if you like symmetry. In terms of intake or exhaust on the side, not sure you might need to test that one after you decide on your fan lineup. Idk what your gpu+bottom fan line up also.

    https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/by_part/yDg323 you can take the time to browse any temps here.
     
  11. Nobu

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    Here's an old post, of course conditions vary from one build to another, so take it with some salt. Here's how I found it. ;)
     
  12. rfarmer

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    Most setups I have seen use 2 fans as intake on the fan bracket, the heatsink does extend past the first fan so you need 2 for full coverage. Second fan also helps with cooling the motherboard. You can't use a 140mm fan at the bottom, the PSU is in the way. Bottom fans depend more on the GPU you are using than the CPU cooler.
     
  13. M1AF

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    I did the optimum tech tempered glass side panel mod. It went okay. Not a big fan of how the glass lines up with the front of the front panel, but I understand why it was designed that way. Doing this absolutely killed my temperatures.

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  14. FlamingKomodo

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    I think you'll be happy with it, going the other route myself, the process of dremeling it, sanding and then using double sided tape with next to no space, then re-doing the tape after a bad cutting job gave me anxiety out the ass, esp since there is no option of going back. Also reduces your gpu cable clearance having glass on the inside.

    Really sad theirs no first party solution for a window side panel.

    Maybe switching to a shorter cooler/tower cooler would help? Your C14 looks so close to the panel.

    I think your window looks awesome btw.
     
  15. M1AF

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    The C14 is humping that glass. Hard. I even tried a NF-A9x14 as intake from the back, but that did little to nothing. Had to take it out because the color scheme didn't match.

    I inquired about having the stock panel CNC cut, but they said no due to it being aluminium. No way I'd trust myself with a dremel. Guess I'll have to settle for this. I have to retape it though. I did a crappy job my first attempt.
     
  16. FlamingKomodo

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    I'd recommend WD-40 to remove the tape if your planning on re-applying the tape.
    I had to do the same and the tape just slides off.
     
  17. M1AF

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    Thanks for that. I was sitting here wondering how the hell I was going to take it off. It's so sticky.
     
  18. Chapeau

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    I grabbed a set of needle nosed pliers and gave the female ATX conectors a slight squeeze to ensure they were a tighter fit. As my cables are twisted into a loose bunch, I pulled them out and re-twisted to put less pressure on the connectors also.

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    This was with a NZXT Kraken and G10 bracket. I didn't get quite as nice temperatures, but still way way below what you can achieve on air. I think somewhere around 60 degrees was the norm when maxed out.
     
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  19. Rhialto

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    Hi guys,

    I've completed my build (see signature) and I was just giving a go a testing more than what I really want because I'm curious so this screenshot shows the highest I've tested yet.

    This is 51 on all core and the bench running is the one included in CPU-Z. I'm not sure I want to try 52.

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    Now what I would like to understand is how to define the voltage. Before the CPU stress bench was running CPU-Z was showing 1.4xx and when I started the bench it dropped to 1.392v.

    Because I don't need to squeeze every MHz like some of you my plan will be to max at 48 and will want to fine tune the voltage down. My initial plan was 46 but with so much room left I say, why not try 48. :)

    Those familiar with ASUS BIOS, for manual voltage control should I select Adaptive and use offset values?
     
  20. rfarmer

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    I would recommend a delid, I lowered the temps of my 8700k by 20C with a 5.0 GHz 1.35v overclock.
     
  21. Rhialto

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    Nah I don't want to go thst route. Buy the tool and unmount everything... at 48 temps will be better and I'm not afraid of temps, throttle is at 100 so while lower is always better and we all want that, everything under 90 is fine with me.
     
  22. M1AF

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    So if I were you, I'd set BCLK at 100, multiplier by 48 and manually set the voltage to 1.3 and LLC to 5. Test that with an actual stress test like aida 64 for an hour. See if it is stable. If it crashes, increase voltage. If it's stable, decrease voltage by 0.010 and test again. Keep going down by .010v until you crash, then go back up .005v and test until it passes. Then you have your stable OC.

    Oh, and I'd delid. I know you don't want to but seriously, we're talking 15-20c temp drop. That just means you can input more voltage and be at the same temps or cooler with a higher clock speed. Instead of 80C at 4.8 you'd be at 75c at 5.0. It's an absurd difference.
     
  23. FlamingKomodo

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    OMG.
    The anxiety of this mod. (Just fucking buy a nice looking card in the first place :eek:, curse you evga and your SC2 cooler being only on 1080TI's)
    Colour used Dupli-Color Smoke Metal Cast.
    Semi-dis-assembled card, just taped off the rest of the card.

    First time spray painting led to an interesting day, I now know paint striper fucking burnsssss. I had to re-do one piece cause I wasn't happy with my heavy handed ness.
    Sanded the logo then painted it with the same gun metal, it has this nice weathered look (not in a bad way) when lit up. Otherwise its really dark. NO MORE GREEN \o/.
    Still waiting on my ensourced cables.

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  24. M1AF

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    Looks great! I once painted and baked a GTX 780. Mods like that are so fun!
     
  25. FlamingKomodo

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    Thanks! I can say my first attempts at several mods have been thrilling, gut wrenching but payed off with a huge sense of accomplishment. Especially when I've messed up but stayed calm and fixed any mistakes I made.

    Slowly racking up that experience.

    I've been eyeing up your vandal switch mod aswell o-o
     
  26. M1AF

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    I'd highly recommend the vandal switch mod. Took me around two months to get the parts from china, and I had to learn how to solder but it was worth it in the end.
     
  27. mooscot

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    I have a question for Asus Z370i and Cryorig C1 owners.

    Can you install Cryorig C1 to ASUS Z370i with the cooler heatpipe curves facing the VRM heatsink? Is there enough clearence?

    I know it can be installed heatpipes facing the RAM, but I need to know is it possible to install cooler the opposite way.
     
  28. FlamingKomodo

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    It will not fit if you have the SFX to the right of the mobo.

    You'll need to use the ATX power supply bracket and a adapter for SFX https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-...keywords=silverstone+sfx+power+supply+bracket

    Then you can move the PSU, only then will if fit in that orientation.

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  29. FlamingKomodo

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    Quick 10 minute run if anyone was wondering what range of temps I'm getting.
    Idle temps a bit high(?) I think, let me know your opinions, but the main positive is the whisper quiet noise level.
    No overclock on gpu (temp limit is 83 with a curve leaning towards low-noise), enough for what I need it for.
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  30. mooscot

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    Thank you for the info. Glad to hear it clears the VRM heatsink.

    PSU is not the problem for me. I am using ATX PSU so I have enough room in that area.

    Only concern for me is that VRM heatsink, because it is much larger in ASUS Z370i than in my current ASUS Z170i Pro Gaming.
     
  31. DGMurdockIII

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    Did you guys make any official instructions manual for the ncase yet? Even a group created one would be nice? It should have a part what the screws go to and some simple building tips and anything else you can think of and offer a pdf
     
  32. Necere

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    Thanks for the pic. Unfortunately with my Noctua C12P heatsink I don't think I'm going to have room for a 120 AIO there although I am able to fit a 120mm fan in that spot, hmmm
     
  34. Qrash

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    There have been a few outlines posted here of how to proceed and there are some videos on YouTube that are helpful. Given there wide range of builds (air vs. liquid cooling, 3.5-inch drive cage or not, optical drive or not, etc.) it may be impossible for one guide to cover everything or even your specific build needs.

    Attached to this message is a Guide I wrote over a year ago. It's just text, but I hope it helps.
     

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  35. DGMurdockIII

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    Missing the screw and part list that users made so still very lacking that's why I asked I would like to have official done stuff or good user made manual
     
  36. maclem8223

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    Looks like the compatibility spreadsheet isn't working so I can't look up 1080ti's that fit and this thread is massive to search through. Currently have a 1070 FE in my M1 so I know a 1080ti FE or other blower styles will fit but they are few and far between right now. What 1080ti's will fit that are not blower style? I'm not running anything on the case bottom i.e. HDD cage or anything so I'm hoping temps will be ok. Will ti versions of the 1080's compatibility list from the OP all fit?
     
  37. rfarmer

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    Best thing is to use this image as a guide.

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    Just check the size for specific cards. Cards like EVGA FTW won't fit but the SC will. If you have questions about particular cards just ask.
     
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  38. maclem8223

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    The FTW's seem to be the only ones in stock anywhere. Can't find a SC2 in stock so I may have to wait a while. Only other option would be the Asus Turbo but I'd rather not go with a blower if possible.
     
  39. FlamingKomodo

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    Honestly what a let down...I thought Ensourced was like S-tier cables.
    I live in a third world country where Im not even sure where I can get this fixed, an annoyance to say the least.
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  40. xfan10

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    today I re-did my cooling configuration.

    I originally was using a Noctua NH-C14S with 2 slim fans for intake on the side and one slim fan for exhaust on the back with no fan on the underside of the NH-C14S . Its seemed to work well but I really didn't like the way the NH-C14S cramps the space inside. the Motherboard was a pain to get to and the power cable on top hits the fins.

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    so today I tried one of the older methods of cooling using a NH-U9S. But I routed my air flow a a bit differently. from the past posts I saw, people are doing intake from the side and exhaust out the back. I reversed that with intake from the back with a 92mmx25mm fan and exhaust out the side with a 120mmx25mm fan. to me it seeed to make more sense with cool air from the back hitting directly onto the heat sink and the larger exhaust could help dissipate more heat from the video card below as heat rises.

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    These are my cpu stress test results overlaid on top of each other. The NH-C14S is the green temp line, the NH-U9S is the purple temp line as they both hover around the 55c line. as you can see they are very similar which is great because NH-C14 was notorious for being excellent and I was worried the NH-U9S might fall behind a few degrees. this doesnt seem to be the case. The big bonus that you dont see here was my video card temp from my 1080 Ti SC2. they dropped 5 degrees. from the usual 77 degrees to a steady 72. so all in all it worked out great. I am still very curious how the cpu temp would be if I reversed the air flow like past builders but since its equal to what it was getting before, im not gonna worry about it.

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    just for reference the cpu is a i7 8700 stock, non-K.
     
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