NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

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Looking for an answer from someone who's done extensive research on air cooler's especially in the ncase m1.

I'm getting a Asus Z270i ROG Strix & looking for a air cooler to cool 6700k.
I obviously wanted to go the Noctua U9S route but not a fan of the brown fan colours. Noctua recently came out with their new chromax black fans but they won't be coming out with 92mm one's for the u9s.

1) Dont want brown fans. 120mm brown noctua fans are okay because they are coming out with black 120mm one's but not 92mm.
2) I don't want to deal with dark rock TF fitment issues.
3) That leaves us with Noctua NH-L12S, Cryorig C1, Cryorig C7, Cryorig H7, Crying M9, etc... (don't know other manufacturer's with cpu cooler's).

My question to you is based upon my criteria which cooler is the best overall for - cooling, zero noise at idle, & overclocking? Basically which one is the best based upon my criteria?

Thanks.
 
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Why are you so dead against the standard Noctua fans? Sure, the colour isn't great, but it's not like you can see them inside the case, and the performance is great.

In any event, Noctua do non-beige 92mm fans - check out their Redux line. But you'd be adding a fair bit of cost for no performance gain and aesthetic improvement on a component that you can't actually see inside the case.
 

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Or there's paint.... ;)
The U9S is an excellent cooler!

1. ABS or nylon primer
2. Paint
3. Clearcoat

Mr Hobby and Tamiya are excellent. Then you can match the colour to your other components...

Won't affect performance although it does add up a little with the cost of paint.
 
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Doesn't look like he answered this question, but going by what he said, I'm guessing it is a magnet for the demciflex filter, although it doesn't look like a fan is installed there currently/yet.
Apologies. Yes, it's a Demciflex filter magnet. Currently not using it.
 
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Looking for an answer from someone who's done extensive research on air cooler's especially in the ncase m1.

I'm getting a Asus Z270i ROG Strix & looking for a air cooler to cool 6700k.
I obviously wanted to go the Noctua U9S route but not a fan of the brown fan colours. Noctua recently came out with their new chromax black fans but they won't be coming out with 92mm one's for the u9s.

1) Dont want brown fans. 120mm brown noctua fans are okay because they are coming out with black 120mm one's but not 92mm.
2) I don't want to deal with dark rock TF fitment issues.
3) That leaves us with Noctua NH-L12S, Cryorig C1, Cryorig C7, Cryorig H7, Crying M9, etc... (don't know other manufacturer's with cpu cooler's).

My question to you is based upon my criteria which cooler is the best overall for - cooling, zero noise at idle, & overclocking? Basically which one is the best based upon my criteria?

Thanks.
The Noctua C14 is the best air cooler for the M1. It's been discontinued for a while and becoming hard to find. I was lucky to snatch one earlier this year, but I don't see any available now in any of the regular places. With it, you can use any 120x25 fan.

The Noctua C14S is too tall to use in the M1 with 25mm fans. You need 15mm fans. That being said, it's still the best cooler if you are okay with slim fans. Noctua's NF-A12x15 is by far the best 120x15 fan, but it doesn't come in black... The Scythe Slip Stream is good, but it's 12mm, so not ideal for this. There's also the Silverstone FW121, but it's blue. Here are some more options:

https://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g3...t_Fans_-_PWM-120mm_x_15mm_PWM_Fans-Page1.html

If you don't want slim fans, then the U9S is a good choice and you can get Noctua's NF-B9 Redux fans for it, which are grey.

There are probably other good top-down options besides the Dark Rock TF, I haven't researched in a while, so I'll let others give advice. L12S and C1 are good options, but a bit underwhelming. H7 won't fit.
 

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The Noctua C14 is the best air cooler for the M1. It's been discontinued for a while and becoming hard to find. I was lucky to snatch one earlier this year, but I don't see any available now in any of the regular places. With it, you can use any 120x25 fan.

The Noctua C14S is too tall to use in the M1 with 25mm fans. You need 15mm fans. That being said, it's still the best cooler if you are okay with slim fans. Noctua's NF-A12x15 is by far the best 120x15 fan, but it doesn't come in black... The Scythe Slip Stream is good, but it's 12mm, so not ideal for this. There's also the Silverstone FW121, but it's blue. Here are some more options:

https://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g3...t_Fans_-_PWM-120mm_x_15mm_PWM_Fans-Page1.html

If you don't want slim fans, then the U9S is a good choice and you can get Noctua's NF-B9 Redux fans for it, which are grey.

There are probably other good top-down options besides the Dark Rock TF, I haven't researched in a while, so I'll let others give advice. L12S and C1 are good options, but a bit underwhelming. H7 won't fit.
There's the Silverstone fn123 and the rosewill RASF-141213, don't know how they compare to noctua in noise or performance, though.
 
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There's the Silverstone fn123 and the rosewill RASF-141213, don't know how they compare to noctua in noise or performance, though.
According to specs by Noctua and Silverstone:

NF-A12x15:

1850 RPM, 94.2 m^3/h airflow, 23.9 dba, 1.53 mm H20 static pressure

FN125:

2000 RPM, 55.3 m^3/h airflow, 23.5 dba, 1.52 mm H2O static pressure

Nearly identical in every stat except airflow where the NF-A12x15 murders the Silverstone with 75% more airflow. So yes, not really close, but if you must have monochrome fans, it seems like an okay option.
 

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For comparison, rosewill reports 50-55 CFM (84.9m^3/hr) and 20-25dBA. Since the range is so narrow and operating RPM range so wide, I'd expect static pressure to be pretty good, but there's no way of knowing how rosewill may have skewed the numbers, and in practice it might not be so good.
 
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Wonder how good a cryorig c1 can get compared to a noctua u9s when you put a 25mm thick fan on it instead of the 15mm it comes with.

Also wonder how good the C1 would be with another fan on left the side bracket shooting fresh cool air straight at it. Noctua U9S size allow for that.
 
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There are probably other good top-down options besides the Dark Rock TF, I haven't researched in a while, so I'll let others give advice. L12S and C1 are good options, but a bit underwhelming. H7 won't fit.
Another top-down to consider is the scythe kabuto 3. I have seen some very positive reviews for it. One review said it was even more quiet than the Dark Rock TF and the cooling performance was good too.

I am considering replacing my DarkRock TF with the kabuto 3 for a few reasons.

I would prefer to use 120mm fans in order to minimize how much air gets pulled throug the fan from the inside of the case instead of getting fresh air from the outside. I figure that because the side vent holes are sized for 120mm fans, using larger fans results in more air getting recirculated from inside the case.

I think that using 120mm fans will maximize how much air gets pulled in through my fan filters, and so I would have less dust in my case.

lastly, and most importantly, after installing the Dark Rock TF, my graphics card has been thermally throttling. I think this is because there is less air being brought in from the side vents. Before the Dark Rock TF, I had 2 side 120mm fans, now there are none. If I can rotate the TF 180 degrees, I should be able to put a 120mm fan back in the front side position, and I think that would fix the problem, but I'm not sure if I will be able to make that rotation because I think the caps on the end of the heat pipes will hit the back of the case if I try to rotate the TF that way.
 

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https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7034/cryorig-c1-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

According to tweaktown reviews the Cryorig C1 beats the Noctua U9S in cooling.
Although, they are both stock meaning U9S has 1 fan but on the other hand the Cryorig is also only using the 15mm slim fan instead of a full 25mm thick fan.
Another thing is the Cryorig C1 gives you room to add a 120mm on the left side bracket giving it fresh air head on.

What do you guys think?

I saw a post on page 445 which shows a person using a Cryorig C1 but he needed a PCEI riser card to install the GPU 1 slot down or the C1 would touch the top of the GPU.
His motherboard layout & location of cpu slot is very similar to the Asus Z270i Strix.


Not sure.
 
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Are there any better blower coolers for the GTX 1070 or 1080 besides the standard FE ones?

Still trying to figure out how to upgrade my GTX 780 :)
 

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Anyone can tell me if it's possible to mount 2 x 3.5" inside the case at the front?
So I can have the following setup with 2 front mounted 3.5" drives:
https://imgur.com/S0diM1X
https://hardforum.com/attachments/computer-17-jpg.30922/

I found the following:
https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase...x-case-updates-in-first-post.1717132/page-516

He seems like he did it but I'm not a handy person so no idea how he was able to do it.
Hopefully without any modifications.
If this is done will I hear the drives in terms of their vibration since there isn't much holding 2 of those in place?

Thanks.
 

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Anyone can tell me if it's possible to mount 2 x 3.5" inside the case at the front?
So I can have the following setup with 2 front mounted 3.5" drives:
https://imgur.com/S0diM1X
https://hardforum.com/attachments/computer-17-jpg.30922/

I found the following:
https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase...x-case-updates-in-first-post.1717132/page-516

He seems like he did it but I'm not a handy person so no idea how he was able to do it.
Hopefully without any modifications.
If this is done will I hear the drives in terms of their vibration since there isn't much holding 2 of those in place?

Thanks.
My guess is the tops of the two hard drives are attached together using a single wide strip (or multiple narrow strips) of industrial strength Velcro. If it was the double-sided 3M mounting tape the gap between the drives would be less.

Also, notice that the connectors for one drive are pointing downwards and those of the other drive are pointing upwards.
 

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My guess is the tops of the two hard drives are attached together using a single wide strip (or multiple narrow strips) of industrial strength Velcro. If it was the double-sided 3M mounting tape the gap between the drives would be less.

Also, notice that the connectors for one drive are pointing downwards and those of the other drive are pointing upwards.
Wonder if I can put 1 x 3.5" hdd at the front (website says on 2.5" at the inside front) & still be able to attach right side panel 120mm fan.
Then attach my 2nd 3.5" at the bottom.

Also wonder if the cryorig C1 is used if it would touch my GPU or not using the Asus Z270i mobo.
 

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Wonder if I can put 1 x 3.5" hdd at the front (website says on 2.5" at the inside front) & still be able to attach right side panel 120mm fan.
Then attach my 2nd 3.5" at the bottom.

Also wonder if the cryorig C1 is used if it would touch my GPU or not using the Asus Z270i mobo.
I had another look at the build photo you included in today's earlier post and I think the two drives at the front are 15 mm thick 2.5 inch hard drives, not 3.5 inch hard drives. Seagate sells 15 mm thick 2.5 inch drives of 4 GB and 5 GB capacity. A 3.5 inch hard drive would be too wide for that location and the mounting holes in the front panel. Also, a 3.5 inch hard drive would have 3 threaded holes on each of the long sides, not 2 holes as in the photo.
 

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I had another look at the build photo you included in today's earlier post and I think the two drives at the front are 15 mm thick 2.5 inch hard drives, not 3.5 inch hard drives. Seagate sells 15 mm thick 2.5 inch drives of 4 GB and 5 GB capacity. A 3.5 inch hard drive would be too wide for that location and the mounting holes in the front panel. Also, a 3.5 inch hard drive would have 3 threaded holes on each of the long sides, not 2 holes as in the photo.
Ah, yeah. Thanks for the clarification there.

What do you think about the Cryorig C1 hitting the GPU?

Also, whats your take on:

Cryorig C1 with a 25mm thick 140mm fan instead of the stock 15mm fan & + it allows for a 120mm fan on the left side bracket.
VS.
Dual fan Noctua U9S
 

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Ah, yeah. Thanks for the clarification there.

What do you think about the Cryorig C1 hitting the GPU?

Also, whats your take on:

Cryorig C1 with a 25mm thick 140mm fan instead of the stock 15mm fan & + it allows for a 120mm fan on the left side bracket.
VS.
Dual fan Noctua U9S
I believe the temps would be similar, within 5 degrees of each other. This is based on my experience with a C14 vs U9S
 

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Most top-down cpu coolers of the same architecture (eg, if same number of heat pipes) perform similarly. When I say 5 degrees, that pretty much covers most of them. :)
 

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M1 compatible heatsinks in Japan

During a recent business trip to Sendai, Japan I had a bit of free time to explore the city, looking for computer stores that might be open on a Sunday. I found a very large electronics store named Yodobashi which is a national chain and what appeared to be a small locally-owned store named Dospara Sendai. At both stores I was pleasantly surprised to see several M1 compatible CPU air coolers that I had never heard of or never seen before. Here is a list of the coolers I found with some crappy phone photos and links. I have no idea how good or bad any of these coolers are, but this shows there are more options than many of us might know about.

First up is the Jonsbo CR-101. A black cooler with 4 black copper heatpipes and a horizontal bank of cooling fins, like the NH-C14 and Scythe Kabuto 2 and 3, The small red dot beside the model name on the box indicates this is the red version. White, blue, and green are also available. The feature colour is present in the fan mounting brackets, the fan corner mounting cushions, and of course the fan LEDs that reflect off of the chrome-like fanblades. As well, a bank of thin vertical slits on the 4 sides of the fan let the LED light leak out.

The CR-101 has 4 6 mm copper heatpipes which are also black. The middle two heatpipes enter one side of the upper bank of fins and the outer two enter the opposite side. This results in a very wide cooler (158 mm). There is also a colour-coordinated heatsink at the bottom where the heatpipes make direct contact with the CPU heatspreader.

The Specifications tab lists the "Radiator Size" as 127 mm x 120 mm x 158 mm (HxWxD). The Specifications table on the box lists these values as the "Dimensions". The product website states on the Overview tab "The height of CR-101 including the fan is 158mm." This is very clear, but based on the photos of the cooler without the fan it seems to me that the total height including the fan is 127 mm.

Update: A Scythe product webpage for the CR-101-RD CPU cooler appears to be the exact same cooler and it lists the height as 127 mm "including the attached fan".

The 25 mm thick 120 mm PWM fan (600 - 1600 RPM, 16 - 42.8 CFM, maximum static pressure of 1.31 mm H2O, 18 - 26 dBA) so the CRC-101 fits within the M1's 130 mm height limit. I don't know how well it coexists with an SFX power supply or the 3.5 inch drive cage. Total weight of the cooler is 625 g.

There are 4 holes at the corners of the base of the heatsink so I am guessing that the heatsink attaches using brackets. I cannot find a user manual but I did find a Ryzen build on YouTube that briefly showed various brackets that are included with the CR-101.

The price of 4980 Yen is equivalent to ~ $44 (US).

CR-101 - front.jpg CR-101 - specs.jpg


Next I found the Enermax ETS-N31, a tower-style CPU cooler that is only 125 mm tall. The tower has an asymmetric design to increase compatibility with tall RAM modules. Overall dimensions are 125 mm x 95 mm x 77.5 mm (HxWxD) and it weighs 385 g.

One 92 mm PWM fan (25 mm thick, 800 - 2000 RPM, 13.12 - 32.8 CFM, maximum 24.5 dBA, 0.86 to 2.15 mm H2O) is included. This cooler features 3 6 mm copper heatpipes that make direct contact with the CPU heatspreader.

Mounting is very different. A pre-installed latch mechanism is used to attach to AM4 socket clips or to clips on a ring that is installed with push-pins on Intel motherboards. An installation video makes both mounting mechanisms very clear.

ETS-N31 - front.jpg ETS-N31 - specs.jpg

The third cooler I found at Yodobashi was the Scythe Byakko (SCBYK-1000I)

Another M1 compatible (barely) with a tower design is the Scythe Byakko (SCBYK-1000I). This 130 mm tall cooler has 3 6mm copper heatpipes that have been nickel plated. The heatpipes do not make direct contact with the CPU heatspreader, though the base is also nickel plated copper. An asymmetric design ensures compatibility with tall RAM modules. Overall dimensions are 130 mm x 102 mm x 83 mm (HxWxD) and it weighs

The 92 mm (25 mm thick) PWM fan has a very large RPM range (300 - 2300 RPM, 6.70 - 46.55 CFM, 0.75 - 1.93 mm H2O, 7.35 - 18.95 dBA). There are no LEDs on this fan.

This 460 g cooler attaches to AMD motherboards with a latching clip and to Intel motherboards using Intel's 4 push-pin clip.

Byakko - front.jpg Byakko - specs.jpg


The rest of the M1 compatible coolers I found at Dospara Sendai. The store had a good mix of new and slightly older parts. This is the kind of store that used to be so common in Ottawa (Canada) 10 to 15 years ago.

All in a row I found a Cryorig C7, a Thermaltake Engine 27, and a Cryorig M9i ((i = Intel model). The C7 is a small top-down cooler and the M9i is a small tower design. The Engine 27 is a strange type of air cooler in which heat is transferred from a base plate through a very thin layer of air to the upper heatsink that is spinning and in fact is the cooler's fan. I've not read very good reviews about the Engine 27, but maybe the larger Engine 37 will be better, though I don't think it's been released yet.

C7 Engine 27 M9i.jpg

Finally, I found the Scythe Kabuto 3 on sale for 4491 Yen which is $40 (US). This C-shaped cooler is 125 mm tall, including the 25 mm thick fan. Previous versions of the Kabuto have been favourably compared to the discontinued NH-C14.

Kabuto 3 - front.jpg Kabuto 3 - specs.jpg

 
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Next I found the Enermax ETS-N31, a tower-style CPU cooler that is only 125 mm tall.
I posted about this one a while back but didn't get much attention.

The third cooler I found at Yodobashi was the Scythe Byakko (SCBYK-1000I)
Also posted about this a while back but seems my original post is gone.


That was interesting nonetheless but none seems to beat the NH-U9S for tower like and C14 for horizontal type. I'm always looking what's new and even have an alert for ETS-N31 review but nothing comes up so not popular at all and seems Enermax haven't sent samples to reviewers either.
 

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I posted about this one a while back but didn't get much attention.


Also posted about this a while back but seems my original post is gone.


That was interesting nonetheless but none seems to beat the NH-U9S for tower like and C14 for horizontal type. I'm always looking what's new and even have an alert for ETS-N31 review but nothing comes up so not popular at all and seems Enermax haven't sent samples to reviewers either.
Yes, I read quite a few PC websites, but did not know about all of these coolers. My point in making the post was to show that there are many more compatible coolers than, perhaps, many of us know about. The Scythe Kabuto ones have been mentioned in posts here and they seemed to do well, if I recall correctly. If I had room in my luggage (and could hide them from my wife) I might have come home with several of these coolers, just to try them out.
 
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Little build snippet
Ncase ver 1.5

watercooled via 2 nemesis GTS 240mm
2x a12x15 and 2x slip streams............holy shit it was tight. Tried to keep it clean as possible. Has to use hardlines to make it fit.
 

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Ncase ver 1.5

watercooled via 2 nemesis GTS 240mm
2x a12x15 and 2x slip streams............holy shit it was tight. Tried to keep it clean as possible. Has to use hardlines to make it fit.
Nice job oon the cabling. You clearly took the time and thought it through. I see a Noctua fan extension that may have been necessary to reach the fan header at the top of the motherboard, but the extra cable length let you route it around the edges of the case instead of straight through the middle of it.
 

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Yeah there is less than 1mm clearnace between top rad and gfx card fittings. At some parts either it was going to snap together or just snap apart. First time using hardlines (PETG) so not the best bends.
Also used cheap but seems to be pretty good chinesium fittings (barrow). Dremeled some relief cuts into front panels USB and Audio but in the end they both work and cleared the bottom rad.
MB is POS, default out of the box sends up to 1.5v vcore so had to use OC settings to keep it nice at 1.275v
Runs dead silent. Pump at 1600 RPM, all fans on silent profile.

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Barrow fittings are really good, although they can be a bit tight for soft tubing. Other than that, I've liked all the ones I've used. I also like how you can get triple o-ring fittings for hard tubing. Probably overkill, but whatever :)

I'm using the same rads with soft tubing, but it took a few attempts to get it right. I like the idea of hard tubing in general though, so props to setting it up in such a small case!
 

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PTROUT2 Good job on those bends. Must be a pain tightening the fittings on that side rad though, with the psu there.
 

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That double right angle bend near the front - not easy.

Nice job!!

How I envy your totally fresh looking case though. I'm pretty careful with handling but even still all the paint that has come off makes it look so old!
 
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Speaking of air coolers, I found this image and I can't figure out what cooler it is. Can anyone help me out?

 

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Speaking of air coolers, I found this image and I can't figure out what cooler it is. Can anyone help me out?

That is the original Noctua NH-C14, which Noctua discontinued sadly. Probably the best aircooler that will fit in the Ncase.
 

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Speaking of air coolers, I found this image and I can't figure out what cooler it is. Can anyone help me out?

Gee, how packed is that case! Huge NH-C14 with the original NF-P14 fan and two 3.5 hard drives in the cage on the side bracket. What a masterpiece the M1 is!
 
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Nope, it's not the C14. The C14 doesn't allow for the drive cage to be installed, also notice that the fan isn't mounted to the bracket as the cooler is not as tall as the C14. Any other guesses?

Edit: Nevermind, I answered my own question. It's the NH-C12P SE14. Discontinued, apparently the successor is the L12, which doesn't make sense to me as the L12 is much smaller. Would have been a good option as a beefy air cooler that also allowed for the drive cage to be installed.
 
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Does anyone know why my chassis fan doesn't spin down? Its set to be running at 300 rpm when the CPU at 40 degrees but for some reason its stuck at 850. It has a tendency to get "stuck" and never go down after sessions of gaming too. If I reselect a default fan profile then the fan speed goes back to normal. (edit - typo)



 
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