NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by wahaha360, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. TheDrifter363

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    Hey guys,

    So, just wanted to ask a quick question. Have any of you ever attempted to put the Ncase M1 in a book bag. Like a Jansport bag you take to school. I'm curious if this case could fit in such a bag as I think it would be awesome for portability. Currently have a SG13 and it fits inside my Jansport really well. I can also put a keyboard, mouse, and some wires. Don't need to carry out a monitor so no need to worry about that. Thanks!
     
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    The cable included with the M1 is a left angle C13, though you'll get more search results with "right angle C13." Left/right/up/down are to distinguish the different orientations they come in, but right angle - as in a 90 degree angle - is also a description for these type of cables more generally.

    Do note that the C13 connector on the cable we use is lower profile than what is commercially available (AFAIK), and we have to special order a few thousand at a time for the M1. Silverstone and Fractal Design, among others, use similarly low profile cables on some of their cases, so you may be able to get one through them.
     
  3. Bladestorm

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    Thank you. I was unable to find one with a screw mount end, and just ended up ordering one directly from NCASE.
     
  4. Qrash

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    Let's compare the dimensions of the Silverstone SG13 to the Ncase M1 (H x W x D):

    SG13: 181 mm x 222 mm x 285 mm
    M1: 240 mm x 160 mm x 328 mm
    I think the M1 will fit. The SG13 is more cube-like than the M1 so I thiink the M1 might even fit better in the Jansport bag, but you may have to place it into the bag with the rear panel down. The M1 is narrower than any of the SG13 dimensions, but it is 43 mm longer. Since your bag accomodates a keyboard (TKL or full length?) I expect it will be able to fit the length of the M1 in the bag's vertical dimension.

    To be sure, I would get some cardboard and quickly create a mock-up of the M1 to see if it fits.
     
  5. ptirmal

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    I went ahead and placed an order for an Arctic Accelero III to use with my Asus turbo 1070.

    I plan on using 2 Noctua NF-F12 fans exhausting, having never used an aftermarket cooler is there a special adapter I need to use the Noctua fans? Is the header on the GPU a mini header where I'll need an adapter and a splitter?

    Also, is standard thermal tape on Amazon acceptable to use with the heatsinks included? I would like to retain the ability to remove the cooler if needed to go back to stock.
     
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    Yes, you'll need an adapter (and splitter) for the fans. You can also just make one from the connector already plugged into the card.

    If you don't overclock the card, the thermal tape should be fine.
     
  7. rasesh

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    What about the Z170i pro gaming mobo with the dark TF + GPU + 2 x hdd on the side bracket?
    Thanks!
     
  8. rfarmer

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    Apparently the cooler blocks the PCI slot on the Z170i Pro Gaming.
     
  9. TheDrifter363

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    Hey thanks so much! Sorry I should have specified the keyboard. It's a Logitech K260. So whatever that is. Though this keyboard is pushing it. I'll go ahead and get the M1 now. I just wanted to make sure it was portable enough to take to people's houses and whatnot.

    Edit: Actually I wanted to ask another question. For CPU coolers, I was thinking of going for the Noctua NH-C14S. Anyone have any experience getting it to work. It meets the height requirements at 115mm, but I heard it's a bit wide. I can orient the pipes facing the ram if it's a problem, so the overhang can be towards the rear IO. I have low profile RAM so it shouldn't be a problem with the pipes. What do you think? I think it's the best cooler for the case, but I've heard of issues with it fitting.

    Also on another note, anyone got the Raijintek Morpheus GPU cooler to fit? Would it fit with 15mm fans? Would these fans have an effect on cooling performance of said GPU? Contrast this with the Arctic Xtreme III.
     
  10. eyeball

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    all the parts on my list ordered now to be delivered later this week ... except the 8700k and the motherboard. ... going to be an annoyingly long wait for them to be back in stock. ... makes the ryzen 1800x look more and more attractive.
     
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    The NH-C12S will fit but will require 15mm fans on the side bracket, the lower fan won't work because it will hit the PSU. I have seen one user install the Raijintek Morpheus and it will fit with 15mm fans.
     
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  12. Qrash

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    The Logitech K260 Keyboard is 442 mm in length, so the M1 (at 328 mm) will definitely fit.
     
  13. TheDrifter363

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    You guys are so awesome! Thanks! Did you guys like the fit and finish of the case? Any problems? Also how long did it take to deliver from shipping? For example if I choose TW Air2 and I live in the US.
     
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    The fit and finish is the nicest I have ever seen. This was the most money I had ever spent on a case and it shows. I live in the US west coast and got my case 10 days after it was shipped.
     
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    Very nice, thank you. Good! Then I can purchase the case and not have doubts. I live on the US east coast. Needed a better CPU cooler for overclocking so I wanted to get a case that has more room for such things. I could have gotten the Node 304 but I don't think that case can fit in a book bag.
     
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    Thanks! The reason why I rather not take the Apogee Drive is the price and it is nowhere available in Europe unfortunately. I also heard that it is never silent, not even on lowest speed. Is that your experience too?

    So if anyone knows an alternative please let me know.
     
  17. MIDIBoss

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    Intel 8th gen based M1 V5 build, commencing!

    Intel i3 8350k CPU
    EVGA 1080 ti SC2 GPU
    32gb 3200mhz G.Skill RAM
    1tb Samsung 960 Pro Nvme M.2 SSD
    Asus ROG Strix z370-i motherboard
    Corsair SF600 SFX PSU
    Noctua NH-U9S CPU cooler
    Noctua 120 slim fans X3
    Noctua NF-A9 X2 (on CPU cooler)
    Noctua 92mm slim fan x 1 for rear exhaust aid
    Rockit 88 delid/relid kit
    Red ATV for CPU relid
    Grizzly conductonaut LM
    Noctua thermal paste for CPU cooler

    Eventually, when we can all finally get access to the elusive 8700k, I'll get one of those and switch it out. For now, i3 8350K is all I could find and I am admittedly anxious to get started with this project.

    Wish me luck, it's my first build. Stoked.
     

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  18. Rhialto

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    Good luck then! ;) Can't wait to get there one day. Many similar parts but for the video card I cannot think of anything else than a blower type to exhaust all hot air.
     
  19. cyclimse

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    Hi guys,

    I recently changed my cooling setup in the Ncase M1 V5. I initially had a NH U9S in push-pull and a 120mm PWM Noctua fan on the side bracket in front of the PSU. I bought a Scythe Kabuto 3 which was cheap (around 40€) and seemed to perform really well according to some reviews:
    https://www.computerforum.de/threads/review-scythe-kabuto-3.69179/
    https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Scythe/Kabuto_3/7.html

    I am quite surprised but I actually get much better temps with this single fan setup than the previous 3 fan setup !

    I did not tinker with the fan curve initially so all the following results were obtained by putting "silent" mode on all PWM fans in the bios. The CPU is a delidded i7 6700K @ 4.5ghz. The benchmark is Realbench 2.54 (temps after 20 minutes).

    Noctua U9S push-pull + 120mm pwm side fan:

    * core 1: 71°c
    * core 2: 69°c
    * core 3: 70°c
    * core 4: 69°c
    * fan speed: 1300rpm on the two 92mm fans / 750rpm on the side fan

    Scythe Kabuto 3 (w/ Gentle Typhoon PWM):
    * core 1: 62°c
    * core 2: 60°c
    * core 3: 59°c
    * core 4: 59°c
    * fan speed: 1630rpm

    I slightly tuned the fan curve after the benchmark so that it wouldn't go beyond 1300rpm in RB. CPU temps went up by only 1 or 2°c. The fan spins quietly at 1000rpm in idle.

    I also changed the SF 600 fan with a slim 92mm Noctua fan from a second-hand NH L9.

    So far so good !

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    Nice find on the Scythe Kabuto 3. I was recently in Sendai, Japan for work and I visited the local Yodobashi (a Japanese chain of electronics stores) and a small locally own computer store and at both I found several CPU coolers that I was not familiar with that would fit in the M1. I will post some more information and photos (if they turned out OK on my crappy HTC) soon.
     
  21. MIDIBoss

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    Basically finished this last night! Running the cooling setup I found here: https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/case-study-air-cooling-inside-an-ncase-m1.2562/ I copied his "Version 3" setup and it's working great. Unforutnately I haven't been able to fit a top right chassis fan yet because of these insanely tough Corsair SF600 stock cables running amuck in my build. I don't want to spend any more money so I probably won't order custom cables, but hopefully I can spend some more time with cable management and get everything tied up closer to the PSU so I can fit an intake fan on the top right chassis fan port.

    Overall, I loved building inside this case (I have the Version 5 case) and it is so small! It's a perfect footprint for my apartment and it's also portable and lightweight enough that I'll be able to use it for live music playing as well with a small USB screen and a small wireless-USB Logitech keyboard/trackpad and my portable Avid Mbox Mini audio interface which is working great with this machine at 64 samples i/o (the fastest available latency setting!) so I couldn't be happier.

    I wanted i-7 8700K for this build but obviously nobody can get that right now. I bought i3-8350k for now (might sell it later) but I have to admit the initial results are very good. I am able to OC to ~5ghz (4.96ghz showing in system) and this is fast for me! I'm coming from a 2010 laptop... Lol. Temps are high so I will have to delid. I am a little nervous about that, but I am a repairman by trade so I'm not extremely intimidated although I don't know anything about electronics so I don't damage anything. I have the Rockit.88 delid/relid kit and Grizzly Conducanaut. I watched Kyle Bennett's video where he covered the metal connections near the LM application with red ATV, so I will probably follow his lead and be very careful not to short anything out. Yikes! Wish me luck.

    Cheers, and happy building.
    M
     

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    I didn't know about that forum, cool! And I was planning same orientation but with duct instead of extra fans. It's all in my head, just waiting for the day I will get all the parts.

    Also instead of delid, why not just go with a safe 4.6GHz and see if temps are fine and it does all what you want?
     
  23. eyeball

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    Cool build. A little worried that it's so close to the one I'm working on except I was planning on waiting for the 8700k. If you're having temp troubles with the i3, then that thing is going to roast the small case.
     
  24. Rhialto

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    Yeah not easy to find what's real with temps on 8700K. Then I said maybe I should just run it as it is without OC but then why get the K? But the non-K is now onl a non-OC CPU, it is also slower. So I'll keep on eye on review but will probably go for a K that I might slightly OC. I don't plan to try hitting 5GHz with it. I mean from a 4.2GHz 2500K to a stock 8700K is already a decent improvement, I mean from 4 cores to 6+6 and the higher turbo speed and from DDR3 to DDR4, I'm sure I'll see a welcome difference.
     
  25. rfarmer

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    Nice build, if you are looking for custom cables that don't cost an arm and a leg check these out. https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesal...id=SB_20171011155040&SearchText=Corsair+SF600
     
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    Whats the difference between these & cablemod cables or other more expensive one's?

    Seems like your RGB ram doesn't really get seen with the cooler right on top of it + the fan that completely covers it.
    Maybe the glow from the back looks good? No idea.
    I was thinking about RGB ram but then I knew it would be complete blocked out.
     
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  28. rfarmer

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    Well they come from China, shipping takes a bit but for what I saved I thought it was worth it. Nylon sleeved not paracord, which I like better seeing as it isn't as thick. I have been using my set of these cables for about 9 months now and they work very well.
     
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  29. sparky1_2007

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    Well, I can confirm my Gelid enhancement kit doesn't work on my asus 1080ti turbo. The custom board doesn't even match the mounting holes for it :\

    I can say that this is WELL worth the upgrade/hassle.

    I am seeing ~60c max with the dual 120mm on exhaust & steady boost core clocks @ ~1850mhz all while being almost dead silent. can't ask for anything more.

    I ended up using some double sided thermal tape to mount the memory & VRM heat spreaders on.
    Used this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LYO3PK9/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    Also, for fan control, I got one of these to hook up to my 2x 120mm PWM fans below: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ZKZEQA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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  30. MIDIBoss

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    Yeah, you're right, but for me the most paramount factor is the best air cooling I could acheive in this case. Water cooling scares me because I'm gonna be moving it around a lot, traveling with it, etc.

    Actually I kinda dig the muted RGB look. I don't want it to be too flashy because I'm gonna be using it at concerts too.

    If you wanted though, it's completely possible to dress up this beast with some RGB LED strips inside. I've seen a few nice M1 builds with that going on. Maybe I'll do that someday.
     
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    Thanks for the update. So, even though the Gelid heatsink mounting holes did not match the holes in the PCB, you were still able to use it by means of double-sided thermal conductive tape.
     
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    That's awesome for a 1080Ti in the M1...
     
  33. sparky1_2007

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    I actually didn't use it all. I instead opted for a long strip of the double sided thermal tape and the heatspreaders that came with the AC acellero

    I would've had to modify the gelid enhancement kit to get it to fit over the caps or whatever those are there and I didn't feel like hacking it up since I couldn't utilize the mounting holes.
     
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    The caps are the round guys (for the most part), the row of grey squares between the two rows of black squares should be chokes. Looks like that vrm design uses small surface mount caps.
     
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    You can still buy them new from Amazon (at least in the UK, don't know about elsewhere in the world).
     
  36. Nufenen

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    Does anyone know whether the Gigabyte GTX 1080 mini fits? According to this it would not fit because it is too tall, however, the Zotac GTX 1080 mini would not fit either but is listed in the compatibility spreadsheet to be compatible.

    The Zotac apparently has coil whine, which is why it is not an option.
     
  37. Necere

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    Dan informed me of your situation a few days ago. Here's what I understand of it:

    1. Canadian customs charged you an import fee of $101.70 CAD on a value of $550.56 for the package - much more than it should have been.

    2. This was apparently the result of incorrectly using Chinese Yuan as the currency to convert from, rather than New Taiwan Dollars, as was clearly indicated in pictures of the labels you sent us ([1], [2]).

    3. Canadian customs admitted that it appeared to be a mistake on their part, yet for whatever reason refused to fix it.

    4. They also misclassified the package as containing "articles of leather" ([3]), which has a higher import fee than the correct classification as a PC case.

    As far as I can tell, all of the available evidence points to your local Canadian customs office as being 100% at fault. Consequently, they are the ones you should seek recompense from.

    Now, despite no apparent fault on our part, Dan did offer to try to help you and call Canadian customs to see if there was anything we could do. However, as he is travelling currently, he hasn't had a good opportunity.

    I understand your frustration, but it seems to be misplaced; we bear no fault in this, and are under no obligation to help you in this situation. That Dan has tried to work with you to resolve the situation is beyond what is required, and your antagonism towards him/us is unwarranted.

    I would also suggest to you that this does not belong on a public forum, and could have/should have been resolved in private. I don't believe, given the evidence, that publicly making accusations against us will go in your favor.
     
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  38. harsaphes

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    Getting a 'your connection is not private' when hitting the store link.
     
  39. Necere

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    Yeah, Dan needs to pay the SSL cert. Fine time for it to expire - he does business stuff over VPN, and he's in Thailand right now and getting a reliable connection can be tricky where's he's at.
     
  40. harsaphes

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    No problem and good luck with that nonsense above.